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It's not a work page, so it doesn't have a ymmv section.
Browncoat Reaver
I think he means making the trope YMMV or splitting them to a different page.
What I would consider is this:
- Soft split the trope page between in-universe and non-in-universe examples.
- Mark it as YMMV.
- In-universe examples can be listed on the main page for works with an In-Universe or [[invoked]] tag; non-in-universe examples have to go on the YMMV subpage.
edited 11th Oct '11 2:32:19 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
By the way, why do we even care about meta examples at all? Didn't we do away with Troper Tales because of exactly this sort of thing?
I dunno. The goal of the site first and foremost is to catalog tropes and what's being described here is probably a trope. We should worry about that first and foremost.
Diagonalizing The Matrix
IMO, the downfall of Troper Tales was that people just have no sense of perspective about how interesting and/or important their own opinions and experiences are. Some fan reactions entries do suffer from a similar effect, but unlike with Troper Tales, in a lot of cases most fans will care one way or the other about the example, and at most it will need to be made more neutral. In more extreme cases, Audience Reactions are downright the stuff of legends (Case in point: Harry/Hermione shippers).
So if someone says "I totally got that vibe from Transformers", that's not acceptable any more. If they say "some fans got that vibe from Transformers", it's a borderline thing, and it's perfectly all right for someone familiar with that fandom to remove it and say "please explain who these people are, because I have no clue what you're talking about". If someone brings up the whole Avatar thing — which was on CNN
— now that is the kind of thing we are looking for.
edited 11th Oct '11 11:02:36 PM by TripleElation
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Browncoat Reaver
Okay, so I say we do this:
- 1. Remove meta-examples from the page, and keep fictional ones.
- 2. Move page to YMMV, as an Audience Reaction (pages like Crack is Cheaper and Needs More Love are like this)
edited 13th Oct '11 1:43:55 PM by hotrods4ben
You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything. — Talking Heads, 1977
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OK, maybe I've missed something and am going to sound really stupid, but why are these tropes YMMV if they only list fictional examples (I fully concur with the latter move, BTW)? An entry like "Alice in The Alice and Bob Show really wishes she lived in The Carol and Dave Show" is not subjective.
I believe it was an either/or proposition, not a suggestion to do both.
At least, I hope that's what he meant.
edited 14th Oct '11 1:39:42 AM by Arha
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Fair enough, and I'd totally agree with that. The reason I'm confused is that Crack is Cheaper is actually YMMV, despite having a "fictional examples only" requirement. Which makes no sense.
The Other Troper
I think we just didn't move that one off that list yet.
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid. Cuz the trope exists outside of its own page. It gets listed elsewhere on the Wiki, where the restriction doesn't apply.
The in-universe restriction is about having a manageable examples list and keeping YMMV off the main page, not restricting the definition.
edited 14th Oct '11 10:47:47 AM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Browncoat Reaver
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant to do both of those things. And exactly what he said.
Crowner appears stable. I'm going to go remove the meta examples.
Oh, hm, it's going to require a bit of a rewrite in the description as well.
Frequently, these characters may feel detached from real life or seem to suffer from depression. After all, they wish to leave somewhere they can never go or wish to meet people who don't even exist yet seem so vastly superior than those they do know.
Sometimes they begin to wish they could become a part of the world, or meet the character they love.
When a fictional character gets his wish, see I Wish It Were Real. Because, you know, This Is Reality. Compare Mythopoeia. Definitely Truth in Television. No Real Life examples, please.
Does this look good?
edited 18th Oct '11 5:20:56 PM by Arha
Is that writeup okay or not?
good to me.
I see the Awesomeness.
Looks good, but you might want to use No Real Life Examples Please.
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Lucha Libre goddess
are real life examples still allowed if used in the YMMMV tab?
Make your hearth shine through the darkest night; let it transform hate into kindness, evil into justice, and loneliness into love.
Trope rewritten, meta examples cut. I'm going to go check the wicks for the meta examples since there aren't that many. Looking at them, I think I may need to crosswick the page as well. As soon as I'm done with that I'll mention it and we can lock this up.
How do you request that a locked page be edited? The YMMV Avatar page is locked. Never mind, found it. All done here.
edited 20th Oct '11 9:59:28 AM by Arha
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There's no need to cut them. Indeed, the meta examples are the bulk of the examples. Moving them to YMMV sounds like a good compromise.