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SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#6501: Sep 16th 2016 at 5:00:15 PM

Sounds good to me.

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!
amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6502: Sep 16th 2016 at 5:06:45 PM

Trying to get the chapter done, although still way too short on non-dialogue content.

Already know how the chapter's gonna end, though: after an under-the-breath comment from Asuka that Mari's response to finding out about her job would be asking to try Asuka's plugsuit on, Rei comments that Mari's measurements would be "incompatible with your plugsuit". Asuka, being jealous of girls with larger busts than her, almost asks if Rei is implying something but restrains herself to a more sedate response - except Sekhmet notices the spike in Asuka's heart rate and blood pressure at the topic and picks on Asuka with it in retaliation for Asuka muting her earlier.

Asuka's response is an Atomic F-Bomb on the open radio channel (followed by Yui's reflexive reprimand).

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
moberemk Dread Lord from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Dread Lord
#6505: Sep 17th 2016 at 6:46:32 PM

Two quick top-of-my-head tactics that I've liked:

  • Pausing to describe a character/room's reaction to what's just been said
  • Taking a moment to describe the setting/something interesting happening in the area in which the conversation takes place

edited 18th Sep '16 8:07:33 AM by moberemk

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fandom Heretic
#6506: Sep 17th 2016 at 10:54:03 PM

I try to take a little effort at the start of a sequence to establish the whereabouts and/or when-abouts of the conversation, and then I also try to describe the characters doing something via body language during the course of discussion.

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6507: Sep 18th 2016 at 6:41:55 AM

There's not much explanation to be done about Asuka sitting in the entry plug and receiving exposition interspersed with her professional comments.

RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#6508: Sep 18th 2016 at 6:46:32 AM

Why she's in the plug in the first place? Plug is her "happy place"?waiiwink

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#6510: Sep 18th 2016 at 7:49:33 AM

Why she's in the plug? Maintenance? After-Action Report? Testing new plugsuit? She just likes being there ("happy place")? Testing new EVA features?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6511: Sep 18th 2016 at 8:16:13 AM

Yeah, there's almost certainly much more to the scene you're talking about than just Asuka sitting in her Eva's plug. If it's some sort of test/maintenance/calibration, then there's the crew overseeing the data feedback from the control room, and possibly making some small talk between themselves or reacting silently to the conversation (e.g. trying to stifle a snicker at a lame/unintended pun, eyerolling at something or the other which results in a brief glare from someone) if there's some waiting time with no need for constant watching (very likely if it's a routine test with no expectations of major problems or crucial data spikes).

edited 18th Sep '16 8:17:42 AM by MarqFJA

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6512: Sep 18th 2016 at 11:02:29 AM

The chapter begins about half an hour after the end of the last one. The last chapter ended with Asuka getting into her Eva for the first time; this one starts with her having a Let Me Get This Straight... line regarding the Eva running on an illegal power source, which gave me a convenient opportunity to skip most of the exposition she would receive and the audience would already know about.

As it is, 95+% of the chapter is dialogue, even with [up][up][up][up][up][up]. The longest non-dialogue part (which I'm about to write) is a mention that Asuka once read one of Kyoko's old books as a child and learned from it the classic id-ego-superego structural model of the human mind, which she gave her own spin to with a child's habits of imaginary people and talking to oneself by parallelizing her decision-making along these linesnote . This ended up sticking to the point where she still does it, including in this chapter:

This thought process is also supposed to show the difference between canon!Asuka and SCE!Asuka. Canon!Asuka would be almost completely controlled by her id, whereas SCE!Asuka still listens to her id but is actually mostly influenced by her ego due to her father's influence.

edited 18th Sep '16 11:03:38 AM by amitakartok

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6513: Sep 18th 2016 at 12:44:11 PM

OK, and the particular scene you're having trouble with involves Asuka and someone else talking... who's the other person, and what's the environmental context of the scene (i.e. where each of the characters is "sitting/standing"; Asuka is in her Eva, of course)?

edited 18th Sep '16 12:45:05 PM by MarqFJA

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6514: Sep 18th 2016 at 1:03:20 PM

For the most part, the exposition is provided by Yui over radio until the Angels come up, at which point Asuka's dad takes over.

Kaworu, Rei and their Evas are also in the line (and Asuka actually asks Kaworu why he's eavesdropping, to which he replies that her dad told him to because he might hear something useful), but they stay quiet for the most partnote .

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6515: Sep 18th 2016 at 1:48:26 PM

Well, you could describe things happening on Yui's side. Example: During one pause, Yui spares a glance at a nearby screen's feed then nods to the technician manning it, prompting him/her to begin the next phase of whatever s/he's doing. On another pause, she frowns at another feed and has someone (Maya?) make a note to check on that part of the system for possible errors (whether hardware or software) while being relieved that it's only slightly outside the margin of error (and well away from the margin of OH-CRAP-EMERGENCY-SHUTDOWN-ABORT-ABORT!).

You could also have the narration describe Hyuga or Aoba or even Maya biting their tongue/the inside of their mouth when something surprisingly funny happens in the conversation, like Asuka being a Deadpan Snarker to something Yui said.

edited 18th Sep '16 1:50:47 PM by MarqFJA

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6516: Sep 18th 2016 at 4:04:56 PM

Well, that's the thing: to Asuka, everyone's audio-only. She can't see them, only hear them.

moberemk Dread Lord from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Dread Lord
#6517: Sep 18th 2016 at 7:01:05 PM

Are you restricted somehow to Asuka's viewpoint? IIRC this story isn't constrained to a single perspective character so you can get away with jumping the camera around a little.

Or, hell, just axe it. If a scene's just not working for whatever reason, maybe it's worth breaking it down to its intended goals and seeing if there's another way to reach the same conclusion.

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RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#6518: Sep 18th 2016 at 9:36:53 PM

Or, maybe, by having MiniSuka as conversation commentator (with some incidents including Hermit!Suka get strangled by Idol!Suka, with her being strangled by Proper!Suka. And many other things, including Hermit!Suka decides to become total NEET, only to relents after Proper!Suka gave her some peptalk, while still strangling Idol!Suka).

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fandom Heretic
#6519: Sep 19th 2016 at 12:07:54 AM

Even if Asuka can't see what's going on with Mission Control, I don't see why that should stop you from describing it to the audience.

If the perspective thing is hanging you up, then how about seeing if it works better in third-person omniscient? (have written a few scenes in Apotheosis like that, and occasionally in other works as well)

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#6520: Sep 19th 2016 at 4:25:24 AM

Yeah, what Eva said. Treat it like an animated or live-action movie/episode; it's not uncommon to see the "perspective" switch between both sides of a conversation, whether they're in the same room or in distant places. 24 made copious use of this through the signature split screen that showed events happening simultaneously in four separate places at least once per episode.

Basically, the "perspective" you should go for is "omniscient third person" rather than a first-person one where everything is described from the eyes of only one specific character throughout the scene. Otherwise, you will have to make do with Asuka's mind drifting between random thoughts at the same time that she's listening to what is being said to her.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fandom Heretic
#6521: Sep 19th 2016 at 8:37:50 AM

Hey Marq, you happen to get around to them P Ms yet? Or are you still tied down by Lilliputian carpet-munchers?

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#6522: Sep 19th 2016 at 8:48:44 AM

Liliputian lesbians? Do I want to know?

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fandom Heretic
#6523: Sep 19th 2016 at 8:50:12 AM

Carpet-muncher is a slang term in my area for "young children".

Curtain-climber would be another one.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#6525: Sep 19th 2016 at 9:23:18 AM

Thank you, Napoleon, for going there; at least I'm not the only one thinking it.


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