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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#1: Aug 22nd 2011 at 4:03:10 PM

What is this I don't even...

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be an aura, a camera effect or a character. Just what is this? If nothing else I think the description needs work.

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#2: Aug 22nd 2011 at 4:12:16 PM

The YKTTW only had eight comments. The description is terrible. The word "anima" is completely wrong. Needs A Better Name, Needs A Better Description, Do We Have This One?

edited 22nd Aug '11 4:14:31 PM by Xtifr

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#5: Aug 22nd 2011 at 4:21:22 PM

[up] True but I think there might be a trope here somewhere in some works (mostly in High Fantasy) there are Girls who just seem to glow like Galadriel in Lord Of The Rings or Cosmos in Dissidia Final Fantasy and are a source of inspiration to their people, they might actually be a goddess.

I think that's what this is trying to get across. (not exactly sure)

edited 22nd Aug '11 4:22:42 PM by Raso

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joeyjojojuniorshabadoo Since: Nov, 2010
#6: Aug 22nd 2011 at 4:24:45 PM

It seems to me to be describing two tropes: a trope where heroic figures have some female figure that they are devoted to, either romantically, religiously, or in some other sense, and a subtrope of that where said female has an unearthly glow about her.

edited 22nd Aug '11 4:24:56 PM by joeyjojojuniorshabadoo

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#7: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:33:41 PM

I think sending it back to percolate in YKTTW is the best option.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#8: Aug 24th 2011 at 1:40:48 AM

Someone want to volunteer to take care of that?

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#9: Aug 24th 2011 at 5:01:28 AM

I can take it there. I just need a good idea of what to put on there. However, I've noticed that tropes I YKTTW don't do as well when all I do is make changes as requested. I don't really get this trope.

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#10: Aug 24th 2011 at 5:24:47 AM

Lets see what I think it is....

The Lady Of Light who gets a Holy Backlight or almost glows (in fact might actually glow) her people tend to treat her as the good The High Queen, or might even be an actual god or lesser god, or have strange psychic powers.

Might cause Bishie Sparkles or person specific Love Bubbles that rarely turn off.

Occasionally used in Imagine Spot only glows. Might be the Big Good however its rare when these characters actually do anything but issue orders or use holy mumbojumbo or might even get Killed Off for Real.

EDIT: Ok Paragon didn't lead to where I thought it would lead.

edited 24th Aug '11 5:40:07 AM by Raso

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#12: Aug 26th 2011 at 11:42:28 PM

I don't know, I think this basically IS Holy Backlight and/or glowing, just applied to girls to indicate they are angelic or special in some way.

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#13: Aug 26th 2011 at 11:44:52 PM

Am I the only one who read it as Shining White Enema?

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#14: Sep 23rd 2011 at 7:38:36 PM

I think the other half of the trope is that The Hero is inspired and/or led through his trials by some sort of paragon of femininity. Which might be a valid trope. Do you want me to start a YKTTW for it?

Also, do we have a trope for a character who actually glows (or at least, who's not glowing radioactively—I think glowing because they're special or magic would be distinct from the radioactive variety)? Because I think that would be tropeable as well. I'd be willing to start that, too, on YKTTW. Let me know what you think.

NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#15: Sep 23rd 2011 at 11:39:50 PM

Go for it.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#16: Sep 24th 2011 at 12:35:54 AM

Okay. Should I cut-list this page after I get them up?

Gillespie Talkative Loon from Western Canada Since: Sep, 2011
#17: Sep 24th 2011 at 12:58:20 AM

Honestly, I think the name fits well. Anima is a Neo-Freudian Jungian term, as the description explains, of an exceptional/idealized female spirit that exists as a counterbalance to mankind (IIRC). Women have a similar masculine Animus entity. I also know that the word 'anima' means 'soul', so I knew what this trope was right away.

The biggest problem here, I think, is that while it's common in Classical literature (Dante's Divine Comedy, Apuleius's Golden Ass), it's kind of antiquated now. I REALLY hope this doesn't get cut, the trope DOES exist in older literature.

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Auxdarastrix Since: May, 2010
#18: Sep 24th 2011 at 6:04:58 AM

Don't cut it. Just fix the title, sort the examples, and add some wicks. You can use YKTTW to collect some more examples if you want, but no point in cutting the existing page.

"Neo-Freudian Jungian" translates to "obscure as heck", so rename, but have the current name become a redirect.

edited 24th Sep '11 6:22:41 AM by Auxdarastrix

Gillespie Talkative Loon from Western Canada Since: Sep, 2011
#20: Sep 24th 2011 at 11:09:49 AM

I noticed that the description (near-ish to the bottom) uses the phrase Shining White Maiden (capitalization theirs). Shining White Maiden would be clearer to everyone.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#21: Sep 24th 2011 at 11:59:05 AM

But what is this trope? The description is rather confused.

And I'm going to be creating YKTTWs for the hero being led by a female paragon, and for characters that glow to show their specialness. Do we really need the two combined as its own trope (which I think is what this trope is trying to be)? Is there even enough examples for that?

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#23: Sep 24th 2011 at 5:26:21 PM

I'm with Nocturna. Sometimes A and B work better as individual tropes rather than A, B and A+B.

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Gillespie Talkative Loon from Western Canada Since: Sep, 2011
#24: Sep 24th 2011 at 9:50:37 PM

Alrighty, in that case I propose that we rename/clean up Shining White Anima to be talking about a female entity (often mystical, dreamlike or otherwise otherworldly) who inspires, leads or guides a male protagonist - white shinyness optional, since that seems to be the bone of contention here that's mixing everyone up. Then create a trope for Shiny People in general, if that's what's being called for.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#25: Sep 24th 2011 at 10:01:13 PM

YKTTW for the inspirational lady created. It can be found here, if you're interested.

I'll create the other one tomorrow.

Edit: [up] Already on that (see the YKTTW). It's being put back through YKTTW to make sure it's healthy.

edited 24th Sep '11 10:02:37 PM by Nocturna

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16th Oct '11 3:30:12 PM

Crown Description:

As decided by this crowner, Shining White Anima was split into its component tropes: Heros Muse and Glowing Person (still in YKTTW). Both new tropes were run through YKTTW to make sure they were strong.

We now need to decide what to do with this page. There are two options: make it a redirect for Heros Muse, or cut the page. The page has no inbounds and two wicks (one for the index it's on, the other for the list of Pages Needing Wicks).

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