Rename: Sailor Earth

Really. None of which convey the trope. Why? Please explain how, say, Team Mold Original Character does not convey the trope. Better yet, explain how it is not an improvement over Sailor Earth.

Since you've given this objection to practically every single name suggested yet, I suggest you formulate the exact definition of the trope you're using so we can find a name that fits that.

edited 21st Aug '11 10:49:35 AM by TripleElation

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Because a team isn't required. It needs to fit into an established theme of characters but it is not required for those characters to work together. Further more, a team is not required to have a specific themed power set. Making a new X-Man would fit the name, but not the trope.

The current name is not being misused. The new name sounds like Exactly What It Says on the Tin but isn't which tends to cause rampant misuse.

The exact definition is a Sixth Ranger, that is an Original Character.

edited 21st Aug '11 10:52:30 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

And can't this character type be a member of a series Green Latern Corps instead?

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@Shima: Do you object to using "sixth ranger" in the title, then?

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Personally I'd object, Sixth Ranger needs renamed itself, it's also a Fan Myopia based title.

Yes, that much I gather. I looked back at the thread and saw that you were the one who objected to the first title I suggested which had that in it.

Which also means that my earlier accusation that Shima has objected to every title is a mistake. Sorry. (No, "Practically" does not save it. That's Word Cruft. Should have used "nearly".)

edited 21st Aug '11 11:11:05 AM by TripleElation

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Reading through the thread, I've changed my mind on the Sixth Ranger titles. I've even suggested several of them. This is just a trope that's too hard to sum up in a couple of words otherwise. I don't like them, but they're the least likely to be misused.

edited 21st Aug '11 11:17:19 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Mm.

So I guess at this point we have a pretty good idea of what sort of title would replace it if it were to get changed.

We've also been over the arguments for and against keeping it (one of which is "hard to sum up otherwise").

Are we ready to start a single prop, or are there other arguments/aspects we should sort out beforehand?

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The thread's been going for a while, so I'll post updated usage counts (though they haven't changed much):

Sailor Earth found in: 92 articles, excluding discussions.

This title has brought 381 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.

...As for doing a crowner, I don't know. The conversation about alternate titles makes me fear renaming this, regardless of need. But the issue could really use some kind of resolution.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."

Hmm... To be fair, we might be dealing with the situation where folks just aren't chiming in because they're not sure what they could add. Maybe there is consensus enough for one of the dozen or so names we've thrown around, and we just don't know it because people are holding out for the crowner.

How about this - first, we'll do the Single Action Proposition. Should that pass (likely; there seems to be general agreement on the issue), then we'll do the Alternate Titles crowner. If that fails to get a consensus, we'll leave the name alone for now, and we'll keep the thread open for new suggestions.

Does that strike folks as reasonable?

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Made one: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/SingleProposition/SailorEarth?open=all#3g93p5ui

I started trying to write pro/con points, but I felt like it would be unbalanced since I don't have any objectively supported "con" reasons yet. I glanced at some of the wicks, and they seem correct, but we haven't done anything more comprehensive. (Or have we? It's been a while.)

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."

We haven't checked the wicks in a while, but I think the argument for the rename comes down to underuse, and that misuse is minimal.

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I don't think we can really call it underuse when it can ONLY show up in fan works and it's got 91 wiks.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Bump. Single-prop crowner is in the red, but not by much.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."

How about Sixth Ranger OC for a name? Sixth Ranger Original Character, a longer version of the title, would be a redirect to it in that case because some people would assume the longer version was the name after seeing a link to the shorter.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

I think that name has already been suggested... opinions are divided on whether Sixth Ranger itself has the same problems as Sailor Earth. However, Sixth Ranger is very firmly established, and the two tropes are connected, so it's a possibility.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."

Bump. Thread somewhat abandoned, crowner stagnant. Maybe we should decide which of the proposed renames would work as redirects, add them, keep an eye on the page for a while, and open a new thread only if misuse happens or something.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And even if it is broke, just ignore it and maybe it'll be sort of OK — like the environment."

I think the problem we have is that nobody came up with even a workable redirect. We could always try putting the ones that had the most support up as redirects and see how that works.

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Shima: RE Post #127: Doesn't a Sixth Ranger require an extant Team Dynamic to alter? Its current Laconic is "A later addition to an already-established Five-Man Band", though replacing 5MB with Ensemble covers the full scope.

Granted, Adding C Squad does fit the Trope... because there is a canonical A Squad and B Squad. But there should be a pattern established for the OC to follow.

I just feel that The Chosen Many and/or Theme Naming (from an organizations standpoint, not necessarily the characters themselves) should be prerequisite Tropes.

And the Yu Gi Oh example does fulfill the latter, in that it's the added Millenium Item that defines Sailor Earth there.

So perhaps Thematic Original Character Addition or Thematic OC Addition.

Also, we may need some examples cleanup: In Pokemon, adding two more Mooks to Team Rocket with names of Criminals or Cowboys is a valid example. More Pokedex Holders with names like Violet, Bronze, Amethyst, and Gray? Well, there aren't any games by those names, but ignoring that Doylist objection, I can't see why not.*

Merely having John Q. Trainer have his own adventure or adding some new line that doesn't reference existing ones? Those are just plain old OCs at best.

edited 18th Sep '11 1:00:25 AM by DonaldthePotholer

while there might be some minor clean up issues that could be handled on page, the crowner on the rename is pretty stable for keeping the title. I propose calling this one and closing the thread. The TRS is still over capacity and we should move onto fresh ground.

Sailor Earth is a stupid name. I don't think that just because we can't think of anything significantly better (even though we have) we should keep the original, work specific, supposed-to-be-a-fandom-term-but-really-isn't name.

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