Wut?: Female Success Is Family

I suppose it could be incorporated into the trope, but to lesser extent than it already is. The mechanics are still the same, that noone seems to be able to look at a woman in a story without mentioning a man, but it works in a different way.

Bump?

How about Satellite Woman? Feminine Satellite sounds to me like an actual satellite with Tertiary Sexual Characteristics.

Oh, don't get them started.

Satellite Woman seems like a decent name.

edited 16th May '11 8:04:03 AM by halfmillennium

I like Morgan Wick's idea of splitting the trope or at least using the current name for something else. I also changed my mind a bit from what I said earlier. I think that if people are mistaking Female Success is Family for "a woman is only considered a success if she raises a family," we should use the current name of Female Success is Family for that trope and rename Female Success is Family to something else.

I would make a single proposition rename crowner on this, but I am not sure if a page action one would be a better choice. If someone has a preference or would like to make the crowner on their own, feel free to tell me.

edited 16th May '11 8:43:12 AM by LouieW

agreed. We would need to decide on a new name though. I know that satellite- has come up a lot, so far, but I'm a bit unsure of it, since there's a risk of the trope getting misunderstood again..

I'm for adding a new trope for "woman gets into story by kinship" and using the current title for "woman is only succesful if she has a family". Not so sure about the "satellite" name though. Wouldn't something more descriptive be better? "Girls with family plot coupons" is stupid, but maybe something along that?

Also, wasn't there a trope for authors demoting their Action Girls to the kitchen in the end of the story? Or was that one cut?

Faux Action Girl? Stay in the Kitchen?

Always A Male Chaperone, maybe? as for the other trope, could you mean Quickly-Demoted Woman?

Overshadowed By Testosterone?

Never a Self-Made Woman?

No Self Made Women, maybe?

hmm, that still doesn't account for Action Girls and other powerful characters who are there primarily as Love Interests. No Independent Women, maybe?

Women Are Defined By Men? Man Made Woman? Though the latter I could see being misread as something out of Weird Science...

edited 23rd May '11 5:01:10 AM by Mikebissle

I favor No Independent Women.

...That Came Out Wrong.

Sorry, I probably should have set up a single proposition rename crowner earlier given the number of suggested alternative title ideas. I made one here to try to make up for that.

edited 24th May '11 2:24:45 PM by LouieW

Shouldn't this really be a dual proposition? Because I like Morgan Wick's idea of splitting rather than renaming, but if I vote against the rename, it sounds like I want to keep the title for this trope, which I don't.

A Female Success is Family trope that fits the title better sounds redundant to tropes like Family Versus Career and Acceptable Feminine Goals. Maybe we could rename this trope and make the original title an alternate for one of those?

I like the No Self Made Woman title.

Since there was no opposition to renaming the trope according to the crowner, I made an alternative titles crowner here. I tried to include all of the names mentioned in this thread, but if there are any that I missed or any that people think would work, please add them.

bump

Never A Self Made Woman squeaks by, in a crowner that gathered singularly little interest in early two weeks. Locking the crowner, let's start on the move.

Good idea. How do we do this?

Isn't the common Stock Phrase regarding women rising through favoritism Slept Her Way To The Top?

Also, the current name made me think "A woman is only considered successful if she raises a family" as well, playing off gender expectations.

edited 16th Jun '11 11:07:53 AM by savage

That's what I thought too, and is probably why most of the examples are wrong.