Should We Are Our Avatars examples go on other trope pages?

It's brought to my attention at first (starts here, for the curious) that when tropes from We Are Our Avatars are placed onto other trope pages, some of the players weren't really sure what to think about them. Even then, some edits that included the mention was also placed in some of the strangest places or places where it shouldn't be. Take this example from Complete Monster: Anime and Manga before it got deleted.

So, the question is, should mentions of We Are Our Avatars be on the trope pages, since it is a forum game and There Is No Such Thing As Notability? Or should they be deleted, as you can't find other frequent mentions of other Tv Tropes roleplays in other trope pages?

edited 25th Apr '11 12:18:41 PM by arcadiarika

Unless Roleplays become a frequest Folder and examples are added from them, they shouldn't be there in general.

Making a folder for one example from this Wiki alone for a self-contained item seems pointless. All those tropes can stay on their respective page. In other words, we shouldn't make a Folder for one example if it's never going to have another one.

The worst part is that Josh doesn't even rewrite the examples, he just copy-pastes them, which is incredibly lazy and not acceptable.

@ Hydro: Exactly. The fact that other people don't add other roleplays to the trope pages concerned me.

In fact, the other reason why this is brought up is because I attempted to delete the mentions of the game, since other types weren't used or, as mentioned above, were mixed with other canon examples in an odd way. But I accidentally deleted the Web Original section of "Guilty Pleasures" (it has since been restored sans the WAOA example), and I explained why I didn't restore the WAOA example. So the questions above also reflect that, should those examples stay, or should they be deleted in main trope pages (mentions in, say, Troper Tales or maybe Quotes are okay)? And if they are chosen to stay, should some of them be rewritten to reflect current events (another example before it got deleted: in Killed Off for Real, Bit and Flandre were mentioned, but the latter was revived, and no one else was added)?

edited 25th Apr '11 12:51:18 PM by arcadiarika

Quotes are fine, since they don't require an extra folder. If a Quotes tab is already put up, there's no reason not to add one, if it's appropriate enough.

In most cases, you don't add your own fanworks to the main Wiki pages. That's why you have a Fanwork section. And as I said, if nobody else is going to add roleplays to the tropes, it shouldn't be done for any single roleplay. No other one got this treatment, so why should WAOA be extra special?

Exactly. That's why I thought that those examples should be deleted, because hardly any other roleplay was mentioned. Yes, The Massive Multi Fandom RPG (or was it that Homestuck RP?) was mentioned in Shown Their Work. But that's about it.

But we'll see how others react.

If you're not just talking about RPs from our fora, there are a few counter-examples. The two that first come to mind are Survival Of The Fittest and Global Guardians PBEM Universe, with over 700 wicks each.

edited 25th Apr '11 1:49:37 PM by Haven

RPs from other fora/places are fine. I'm merely talking about those from just our fora. I mean, I haven't seen anyone post quite a few examples of, say, the Homestuck RP or the Massive Multi Fandom RPG, two of our other RP games here.

I don't think RPs should be put on any trope pages. It'll confuse people, and if they want to find an example of that in the source material, it'll be a hassle to find.

I agree with Marioguy, in that it would confuse people and be hard to find where it was. I think having a Trope Page of an RP is fine, but putting the RP on a different Trope Page is questionable. Plus the fact one time someone put WAOA on a page with only anime references just because someone played Apos. As in he said Apos was from both Mnemosyne and We Are Our Avatars.

We really need some guidelines on this.

Would it be okay if we link to the post that contains the example?

I'll just agree with Mimi and Marioguy in which they shouldn't go on the trope pages, because what would happen if someone sees one that mentions a canon character and try to fit that trope into their series? So even then, no, I don't think linking to posts would work. Especially if it takes a long time to search for the post (or posts, as it is) in order to link it.

And the Apos thing wasn't the only thing that was the intermixed example. Prior to it being deleted as well, in the Mazinger Z character sheet, when Kouji was noted, the note in "Idiot Hero" also said that it was also shown in the game, and the Anti-Magic trope had Jurgen listed as both in the Warhammer novels and WAOA.

edited 25th Apr '11 7:54:06 PM by arcadiarika

No Such Thing As Notability seems to indicate that they go on the pages.

Don't roleplaying examples go on Troper Tales?

Only if they aren't published somewhere. Being on the internet anywhere means they're published by our standards.

The key feature is the ability for non-participants to check existing examples and add new ones.

The creation of a specific "Roleplay" folder for these examples does seem a bit much even if they're OK to put on trope pages though; perhaps moving them to "Web Original" would work? Unless there are actually going to be multiple examples of a trope listed for multiple role plays on the site.

I do think things like listing WAOA in, for example, the Apos entry in Complete Monster is not really appropriate (since WAOA isn't exactly anime/manga); perhaps if people really want it there putting something like "Apos from Memnosyne appeared as a villain in the 'We are our avatars' roleplay" that wouldn't make it look like the editor was trying to say that Apos was an original character to the roleplay.

Other than that, if we're leaving them, some of the entries could probably be cleaned up a bit for readability (the one I happened to notice first was on the Taken for Granite page; I would've rephrased it myself to make it clearer but I wasn't entirely sure whether it even belonged on there in the first place and I would have felt a bit odd clarifying an example that would be better off deleted).

Admittedly, I wouldn't mind the WAOA examples being placed in "Web Original". And cleaned up.

In fact, I'll start now.

UPDATE: I've moved several examples to Web Original and deleted others. You may check out my editing history if you wish.

edited 26th Apr '11 7:22:08 AM by Icarael

Web Original would be a great place for them without having to make a new category type. I think that's where we've been putting other online R Ps.

edited 26th Apr '11 7:22:50 AM by shimaspawn

It would be good form to link to the thread, or to a specific post if applicable.

Midna has been helping along as well. I informed him of the difference.

If the example is a copy-and-paste of the one the from the actual We Are Our Avatars webspace, it should be re-written or deleted. If not obvious.

In addition, should we allow Image Links of particular roleplays when all the other examples are regular series? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ImageLinks/CuteGhostGirl for what I mean. Is it appropriate for a player to list their own regular images for an example of anything?

edited 30th Apr '11 9:37:29 PM by Hydronix

Someone has been going through and deleting all references to this RP without leaving any edit reasons. I am trying to find out why this is happening. As I understand this discussion, the decision was made to keep the examples and put them under Web Original. Is that accurate?

We, as in those who have roleplayed, decided that we should delete the examples after coming to a consensus in regards to a roleplayer who likely joined the game just because of the game being mentioned in so many trope pages. Because, regardless, it still reflects badly onto the game itself.

edited 16th Jun '11 9:25:47 AM by arcadiarika

We've been over this before. Either all roleplays are notable enough to trope, or they aren't. You cannot decide that, just because you don't like the attention your RP is getting, that it should be excised from the wiki.

edited 16th Jun '11 9:27:52 AM by Fighteer

It isn't just because of the attention. The examples were also copy-pasted onto other trope pages. Other roleplayers can vouch for this.

I am not sure that I understand. Why do we not want reciprocal wicks for a legitimate works page? Again, unless we decide on no reciprocal wicks for roleplays in general.

And if we do that, we should move the page to Darth Wiki so people know not to wick to it.

edited 16th Jun '11 9:37:27 AM by Fighteer