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Aminatep Vulpes Zerda from Glorious Mother Russia Since: Oct, 2009
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#1: Mar 16th 2011 at 1:24:28 PM

Please explain me how are you ever supposed to guess what is it about without reading the article first.

When I hear "Xanadu", I think an idealized place of great or idyllic magnificence and beauty, not about a freaking building. Is it a Coleridge reference? If yes, it is not only pretty obscure, it is also wrong, Xanadu is a city, not a building.

I have no idea who got an idea of naming this trope that way

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#2: Mar 16th 2011 at 1:31:05 PM

Also the name of a movie.

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#3: Mar 16th 2011 at 1:33:43 PM

Umm yeah... the name makes no sense since its up to each person to decide their own personal paradise which is Xanadu. (The way I understand it)

And this trope is just about a Building of Adventure.

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#5: Mar 16th 2011 at 1:38:04 PM

This desperately, desperately needs changing. Building of Adventure would be good.

As far as I'm aware, this trope is named after Kane's mansion in Citizen Kane, which was called Xanadu. Nothing to do with the far better known Coleridge poem.

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#6: Mar 16th 2011 at 2:19:41 PM

Gods yes, rename. Building of Adventure sounds good. Single Setting seems to be to broad for the trope (although we could broaden it).

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#7: Mar 16th 2011 at 2:22:44 PM

A Single Setting sounds like a Bottle Episode which is not this trope.

edited 16th Mar '11 2:23:14 PM by Raso

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#9: Mar 16th 2011 at 3:45:46 PM

The description doesn't even relate to the Mystery Science Theater 3000 use of the line 'Xanadu, stately home of...' as a stock riff for Establishing Shots.

edited 16th Mar '11 3:46:09 PM by Prfnoff

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#10: Mar 16th 2011 at 5:38:32 PM

Single prop crowner or just jump to rename options?

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Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Mar 16th 2011 at 9:53:40 PM

Feel free to start a single prop to be sure.

I think it should be renamed too. The reference is not universal. The name is misleading: 99%+ of time Xanadu us not used to refer to this trope.

Even the reference isn't great

  • It's indirect — Xanadu is the analog of Hearst Castle found in Citizen Kane.
  • Citizen Kane doesn't use Xanadu as an extended adventure location.
  • Hearst Castle is being probably used as a placeholder for "big building": it's big but [1] not that big. Something more on the scale of [2] Gormenghast would be more emphatic — it goes on for miles and the associated work sticks to the building — but references based on it wouldn't make a good trope name either — too many other connotations. Best to go for a general name like Building of Adventure.
  • [3] This one's right out. grin

edited 17th Mar '11 12:40:06 AM by Camacan

Aminatep Vulpes Zerda from Glorious Mother Russia Since: Oct, 2009
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#12: Mar 17th 2011 at 4:17:17 AM

Single prop? What is this? I don't.

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Aminatep Vulpes Zerda from Glorious Mother Russia Since: Oct, 2009
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#13: Mar 18th 2011 at 4:41:00 AM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/AlternativeTitles/Xanadu

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Shale Mighty pirate! from Int'l House of Mojo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#14: Mar 18th 2011 at 6:55:50 AM

Single proposition crowner: A straight yes/no "change this title or don't" vote. We do NOT poll for alternative names until the yes/no question is settled (which doesn't have to be done by crowner). We also don't mix the two polls into one.

edited 18th Mar '11 7:16:42 AM by Shale

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#15: Mar 18th 2011 at 7:16:06 AM

Building of Adventure. As for crowners; if there are no demurrers it could just be done.

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#16: Mar 18th 2011 at 7:45:28 AM

[up] Agree. Just rename it that and let's call it a day. It's straight-forward, and there isn't any cons to it, compared with Single Setting.

TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
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#17: Mar 18th 2011 at 7:57:15 AM

A single prop is necessary if there are dissenters. Usually if there's consensus in the thread that the title needs changing, it's a good indication that no dissenters will show up in the future. If they do show up, the worst that can happen is that we put the alt. titles crowner on hold and go through a quickly-settled single prop (this happened with All My Circuits).

Right now nobody is arguing that we should keep this name, so I'm inclined to say let's go straight to alt. titles.

edited 18th Mar '11 7:57:59 AM by TripleElation

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Shale Mighty pirate! from Int'l House of Mojo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#18: Mar 18th 2011 at 8:31:44 AM

Yeah, but in that case there shouldn't have been a "keep the original title" option on the poll.

TripleElation Diagonalizing The Matrix from Haifa, Isarel Since: Jan, 2001
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#19: Mar 18th 2011 at 9:12:58 AM

Yep, that option never belongs in an alt. titles crowner.

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CrypticMirror Cryptic Mirror from Scotland Since: Jan, 2001
#20: Mar 18th 2011 at 1:10:15 PM

[up][up][up] In that case, registering dissent here.

edited 18th Mar '11 1:10:36 PM by CrypticMirror

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#21: Mar 18th 2011 at 1:15:30 PM

I hope you have a good reason, because merely wanting to keep it is little better than just voting on a crowner, and calling for one solely just because you don't want a rename isn't good either.

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#22: Mar 18th 2011 at 3:02:25 PM

↑Well, we are letting people call for one solely just because they do want a rename... Anyway... I favour a rename (strongly) but I'd rather have the well-known process of "single-prop crowner → naming crowner", so that 'if it is done well'' no one can complain fairly.

edited 18th Mar '11 3:02:56 PM by SilentReverence

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#24: Mar 18th 2011 at 3:38:38 PM

[up]I dont know on that sometimes the buildings are like a whole world in it. Take Super Mario 64 its a whole world in a building.

Also series don't take place entirely in that building take the Hinata Inn in Love Hina they take trips, go places ect but the Inn still has a maze of tunnels, a cursed Annex, Suu's room is a jungle, the anime gives it ruins under it ect. Then compare Negima's or Hogwarts Academy of Adventure.

And "Single Setting" in general just sounds like Bottle Episode.

edited 18th Mar '11 3:43:46 PM by Raso

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#25: Mar 18th 2011 at 3:57:47 PM

[up][up][up]No, they are calling for a rename because the name is not an example.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

AlternativeTitles: Xanadu
20th Apr '10 12:00:00 AM

Crown Description:

Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.

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