Emergency double post.
Richard Kiel, who starred as Jaws in both "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Moonraker", has died at the age of 74 in California.
He was also in Happy Gilmore, with Adam Sandler. I will miss the guy.
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2014, what a shitty year you are.
RIP, Mr. Kiel. You were awesome.
HGW XX/7
He's with Dolly in heaven now. RIP. 
Also loved him in Happy Gilmore:
Mr. Larson: That's two thus far, Shooter.
Shooter McGavin: Oh, you can count, good for you.
Larson: And you can count, on me waiting for you in the parking lot!
RIP Richard.
edited 11th Sep '14 9:32:25 AM by Premonition45
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For me he'll always be the guy that was almost The Incredible Hulk. He did a screentest, and he was tall enough for the role, but they didn't think he could bulk up enough for the part, so they went with Lou Ferrigno instead. There IS one shot of Kiel left in the pilot movie, an overhead shot of the Hulk in the woods or something.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
That video was brilliant. I forgot just how much Jaws got up to in those two films.
RIP Kiel. I think Jaws was my favourite thing about the Moore films, certainly the highlight of the two he was in.
Am I a good man or a bad man?
I loved his happy ending with the teeny tiny blonde haired woman. He helped save billions of people, far outweighing the many that he did actually end up killing, so I think he deserved it.
To the question of Blofeld, I'd honestly prefer Mr. White get taken care of first (if Jesper Christensen even wants to come back; he's reportedly said he didn't enjoy the part).
Would that it were so simple.
Mr. White...is just kind of generic. Like the barest basics of Blofeld with nothing special or distinctive.
Quantum as an organization just wasn't well-conceived, and Mr. White returning means we have another inane and completely unthreatening scheme.
edited 23rd Sep '14 4:59:44 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
There was apparently a scene shot where Mr. White dies and fellow Quantum board member Guy Haines is arrested, but it didn't make it into the film. All that survives of this scene is one very short clip of Bond and White's confrontation and, strangely enough, the epilogue of the video game. Have a look here
. Neither includes White's actual death, unfortunately.
If they wanted to write out Quantum, they could just canonize this scene and say the organization fell apart with Greene and White's deaths and Haines' arrest.
Restarting this thread...
Can someone post a new link pertaining to EON re-acquiring the Blofeld/SPECTRE license, because the original link is down?
Also, if they re-do the old films, think we should go with these changes:
1. No being a political renegade plotting from China to make the US and China kill each other off out of revenge against the latter, and that Bond and Leiter get an additional ally from the Chinese MSS.
2. Rosa Klebb being a Russian oligarch instead of intelligence spook and that Tatiana has knowledge of secret dealings between Klebb and unsavory groups, and Bond being assigned to guard until she makes it to the Anglosphere.
3. Remake of On Her Majestys Secret Service has to be Craig's last time as Bond. Let's see, being assigned to work with a guy who just had the two kills needed to be a 00, romance with Tracy still happens, and unlike the book and original film, Tracey lives, and the new guy is the new 007.
Would that it were so simple.
I want to see other 00 agents. In the books, Bond shares his office with 008 and 0011, and 008 is like the backup agent; every time Bond is like, "I have a problem with this mission," M is like, "You can go back to being a standard intelligence officer; 008 will handle this. He follows orders." I really liked the scene in Thunderball when M pulls in every 00 man in Europe because of the nuclear threat. The way recent Bond films make it seem, Bond is treated like the only 00.
Also, bring back Mary Goodnight, but as the capable and dependable ex-reservist field agent that she was, not the idiotic millstone from the Man With The Golden film. I really liked the book incarnation; she was capable, but also nice, and seemed to be one of the only Bond girls who had an honest interest in Bond's wellbeing. She's also the very last Bond girl in the Fleming continuity.
Also, the original Hugo Drax's character arc of becoming everything a proper Briton should be, only to betray his adopted country and rain atomic hellfire down on London, simply to destroy their spirit as well, is awesome and should be used somehow, even if the dated 1950s plot from the book isn't directly adapted.
No, no multiple James Bonds theory, or other guys being 007.
edited 28th Sep '14 10:47:05 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
I will say I love the multiple James Bond theory and that ths franchse should totally canonize it.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Would that it were so simple.
It's a totally daft theory; the whole point of Bond is that he's a singularly badass character, not just some dude who assumes the identity with a checklist of shit to do in order to properly "be" Bond.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
...Except I thought 'different' Bonds had certain... differences. It's like the difference between Tom Baker's Doctor and Matt Smith's- Connery's Bond was different in some ways to, say, Moore's. Or am I misremembering something?
Direct all enquiries to Jamie B GoodI don't really think being The Chosen One is part of James Bond's characterization. He's a badass who gets shit done, the idea that there will always be a man with such qualities as time passes by, that badassery never dies, fits the character well.
It also allows James Bond to become immortal. It's a mundane version of the Doctor's regeneration.
That is actually the core of the theory (besides the obvious time gap and appearance changes), that all Bonds have distinct personalities.
edited 28th Sep '14 12:22:02 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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Golden Eye was pretty much the same plot with someone other than Drax responsible. I seriously doubt in this half of the century we're going to see a remake of Golden Eye which is what an accurate portrayal of Moon Raker would essentially be.
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Would that it were so simple.
Eh, I don't really like it. It trivializes the people who play James Bond; it canonizes which guy is the real James Bond by saying, "Oh, Bond 7 really isn't Bond literally; he died ages ago. We had to find some random badass in the ranks and slap the Bond nametag on him."
I much prefer the floating timeline. Bond is immortal in a storytelling sense, but every one of the actors actually gets to play James Bond, not "James Bond." Plus, it would just invite trolling from internet neckbeards when Michael Fassbender, Benedict Cumberbatch, or Henry Cavill takes over for Daniel Craig with, "Hurr, hurr, X isn't the real Bond! It's canon, people!" It would be the ammunition every fan who has hated Lazenby or Moore wish they had forty years ago.
I know this isn't going to fly in a community that obsesses over continuity. continuity, continuity, continuity, everything has to be part of a singular unified canon, but honestly, I'd prefer if everything from nearly twenty-five films didn't happen in the same continuous fictional timeline such that the third film had a direct, rather than Broad Strokes influence on the 17th.. How Bond films have related to one another have been of extremely little importance, and that's how it should stay, within reason.
edited 28th Sep '14 2:05:56 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
No, no multiple James Bonds theory, or other guys being 007.
I meant in the Passing The Torch sense.
edited 28th Sep '14 3:21:47 PM by HallowHawk
I've always felt part of the theory is that there is no "real" James Bond, it has always been a code name from the beginning.
Would that it were so simple.
Which still doesn't make sense, because he has family members named Bond and a traceable ancestry to British nobility per OHMSS. Bond actually has a past, which is difficult to reconcile with the idea of "James Bond" being a fabricated identity because that identity has connections to other people who are very much real in-universe. The Fatal Flaw of aliases is that they are surface varnish. It's like creating a fake Linkedin account with fake job history. Yeah, it says you worked as a lawyer for 15 years but your boss, coworkers, and law firm all do not exist, or are the same five people, and your employment history is otherwise too clean.
And if Connery Bond and Moore Bond are different people, why does Connery Bond want revenge for the dead woman Lazenby Bond married, and why does Moore Bond mourn at the grave of the woman Connery Bond avenged and Lazenby Bond married? How is Felix Leiter able to be close friends with Moore Bond and Dalton Bond if Moore Bond and Dalton Bond are different men? Why does Hedison Leiter feel like he knows Dalton Bond as well as Moore Bond enough to ask the former to be his best man if the former is a new guy while the latter was his friend? And if Leiter is a code name, why does Connery Bond, who came across four of them, treat them as the same man, and why does Dalton Bond, who met two, treat them as the same man, despite one of them being a one shot actor, and the other being the friend of Moore Bond? What about Moneypenny? How is she able to have the exact same relationship with three different Bond actors, while Dalton and Bliss carry on the same dynamic, as do Brosnan and Samantha Bond? Are we expected to believe Moneypenny was never disappointed that "Bond" changed? She never said, "Oh, I so miss the other fellow, he was so much more handsome." What about Tanner? Is he a codenamed nobody too? What about the abrupt switch from Connery to Lazenby to Connery? Did Lazenby Bond leave the service? What's his real name? Did he continue going by James Bond? Were there two James Bonds running around at the same time, and if so, why did Lazenby Bond outsource getting revenge on his wife's killer to Connery Bond?
edited 28th Sep '14 4:56:00 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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Felix Leitner is a different person in EVERY movie too.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
Would that it were so simple.
But he's played by the same actor in two different movies sixteen years apart, with two different Bonds! Who treat him as THE SAME MAN that Connery Bond befriended eleven years before, when he was played by four other different people that Connery Bond recognized each time! If we're going under the caveat that 1 actor = 1 character, it STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!
Why does Lazenby Bond spend time reminiscing about Connery Bond's adventures when he never went on them? Why does Brosnan Bond confirm that he received twenty different watches from Q if he was only outfitted four times onscreen? Why, furthermore, does Bond know about the jetpack and the poisoned shoe-knife if he never came across either before? Golden Eye takes place partly in the 80s; were Brosnan Bond and Dalton Bond operating concurrently, and if so, why does no one comment on the fact? If Bond is ultimately replaceable, not just as a 00, but as James Bond, why didn't M just fill the spot and have Dalton Bond assassinated when he went rogue? Going back to 2 Bonds operating at once, wouldn't Alec Trevelyan find it odd that there are two men walking around the office claiming to be James Bond, 007? The cheeky Pungeon Master who is his best friend and the morose Grumpy Bear down the hall who flirts with the OTHER Miss Moneypenny, the blonde, rather than the redhead. Brosnan Bond acts as if he's known Bond Moneypenny for a long time, but if he was around in the 80s, he would have known Bliss Moneypenny, too, but never comments on it. Is there like a Bizarro Universe at MI 6 or something? Does M walk down the hall, and suddenly there's a Bond who prefers stirred gin martinis, Bentley cars, and who has to be cajoled into switching from a Walther to a Beretta pistol?
Also, why does Moore Bond know Quarrel Jr. so well if Connery Bond was the guy who befriended Quarrel? Why does Q say in TSWLM that Moore Bond lets him down frequently when, by that point, Connery Bond destroyed almost all of the gadgets and Moore Bond had barely used any? Why does Lazenby Bond feel close enough to M to visit him in his home, when Connery Bond was the one who had a close relationship with him and Lazenby's the new meat in 00 section? Why does General Gogol know both Dalton Bond and Moore Bond and greet the former as an old friend, if the latter was the one he collaborated with so well that he awarded him the Order of Lenin in the previous film?
The entire theory relies on multiple people going by aliases and those that don't having a Weirdness Censor that prevents them from realizing that many of the people they're talking to are different people.
edited 28th Sep '14 5:56:51 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
I am a former soldier. For me, Silva is a brand of compass.