YMMV: Red Hood and the Outlaws

  • Awesome Art: Rocafort's run as penciller for the book, his backgrounds were breath-taking.
  • Author's Saving Throw:
    • Crux, who was originally intended to be the fourth member of the Outlaws, has a Heel-Face Turn near the end of the run which could be considered this.
    • Initial reactions to Starfire's characterisation in the first issue were extremely poor. She's depicted as a character only in the book to be an emotionless Ms. Fanservice with no apparent attachment to any of her former friends, and abruptly has sex with Roy for no real reason, whilst Jason also implies that he had slept with her as well, even making a joke about her breasts ("a pair of 38's") before she makes her initial appearance. Issue 6, which recounts how Starfire and Jason met, is an attempt to remedy Starfire's initial characterisation, which Retcons Jason's dialogue of being "with her" to mean that they had simply spent a night talking, with no sexual intimacy at all. It's also hinted that she may have been faking her memory problems all along, although the first issue has her explicitly narrating to herself about her inability to tell humans apart.
  • Base Breaker: All three main characters have broken the fandom.
    • Some don't like Roy has had years of character development and maturity (from being a father) stripped away to in order to make him into an Adult Child that Jason has to babysit.
    • Many were unhappy that Starfire's Establishing Character Moment had her bending over Roy and propositioning him for sex, despite her lack of memory and questionable cognitive ability.
    • Some see Red Hood as just another generic Unintentionally Unsympathetic "bad boy" anti-hero, and preferred him as a tragic Batman villain.
  • Best Known for the Fanservice: While the quality of the writing and characterization is questioned by readers, there are few who would deny that this series is not lacking in this, thanks to the gratuitous shots of Starfire.
  • Broken Base:
    • The first issue was highly controversial and caused many fans to judge the series as unlikeable (Jason), shallow and sex obsessed (Starfire), amongst other terms. Some fans feel that the book has since fixed a few of these preconceptions. Others, however, still find the writing to be subpar.
    • Issue 18 gives closure to Jason's issues with Bruce and mends their relationship. Some liked this issue. Others find Bruce's acceptance of Jason's lethal methods to be a cop-out, and an excuse to include Jason in more Batfamily events.
  • Designated Hero: Let's face it, these guys are not heroic in any shape or form.
    • They never identified themselves as ones though.
  • Fanon Discontinuity:
    • The issue 0 revealing that the Joker basically orchestrated Jason's becoming Robin and his death (as in even Jason finding his mom). Suffice to say, many don't like it, since the Joker comes off as a Villain Sue, and out of character, and outright ignore it.
    • Same said for Arsenal's new backstory of being a snotty child prodigy with a neglectful alcoholic dad.
    • Jason's interactions with the Batfamily are often ignored by most Batman fans, due to how out-of-character the others seem. Notably, this even applies to many fans that like Jason.
    • Starfire newest ongoing allows for fans to ignore her history with the boys.
  • Fetish Retardant: Spines don't bend that way!
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: In the old 52 there was an AU sometimes called the Kingdom-verse that occasionally crossed over with the then mainstream continuity. In the Kindom-verse we were introduced to an older version of Lian (Roy's daughter from the old continuity) who went by the alias Red Hood. Note: This was long before Roy and Jason interacted much if at all.
    • This could also count as Heartwarming in Hindsight as well. If Lian is ever born in this continuity it's entirely possible that Jason, who is now teamed up with her father, will be a prominent figure in her life and would actually give her a reason to take up the name.
    • Many readers note that Jason comes across as an Unintentionally Unsympathetic "hero" who is often written like a angstier pastiche of Dick Grayson, which was the original reason voters called in to kill him in the first place.
  • Internet Backdraft: The reaction to Kori's new personality was... not received well, to say the least.
    • The fact that the characters are pretty much new ones sharing names and some basic background with their pre N52 versions.
  • It's Not Supposed to Win Eisners: A common sentiment among readers is that they're only reading for flashing action scenes, and that some of the harshest criticism (with regards to the writing and characterization) towards the book is uncalled for.
  • Narm:
  • Never Live It Down: The infamous first issue turned many people off from the series and years later is still one of the first things to surface anytime this book is talked about. Whether or not it has recovered since then is a point of debate, though sales and critical reception has not been kind, and even readers who enjoyed the first issue have been turned away by recent issues]].
  • One True Threesome: Part of what was the first wave of fanart for the series. After the title had ONLY been announced.
    • And after issue one, in which Starfire has sex with Roy, and Jason states he'd "been with" her. Issue six later reveals this to have been spending the entire night talking with her.
  • Tainted By The First Issue: Again, that first issue outraged a lot of potential fans. However, some readers who absolutely hate that issue will agree his handle of the characters got better. This is especially notable when comparing this #1's controversy to Judd Winick's antics on Catwoman #1. Noticeably, Lobdell clearly tried to address complaints head on, while Winick lost his book in part to the fallout from #1.
  • The Woobie: Jason, on top of being killed and resurrected, had such an awful childhood that he considers his birth as the happiest day of his life.
    • According to his happiest memory, even after all that happened, he still considers his time as Robin the best time of his life.
    • Roy's a recovering alcoholic, and at one point notes that he only has two friends. His happiest memory is Killer Croc refusing to kill him when he was trying to commit suicide by Croc. That isn't even starting on his trust issues.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: James Tynion IV's run was filled with weird choices and subpar art making it panned by critics and fans alike.
    • Again, under Base Breaker, but Roy Harper's new backstory. Many fans were unhappy that his Navajo upbringing was made a minor element on Roy's characterization and that his birth father was retconned from a forest ranger who died in a fire when Roy was three to a neglectful alcoholic that died much later.
  • Unfortunate Implications: One of the biggest causes of Internet Backdraft was Kori's line in the first issue where she says that she doesn't remember anything about her time on earth, which many readers took to mean that she has the memory of a goldfish and made the idea that she could consent pretty dubious. Later on it's shown that she was faking it, but even that doesn't come across as mentally healthy. Add to that the fact that Roy thought she really was amnesiac at the time and still had sex with her and he doesn't come out looking good either. In general, Starfire's character, especially the way her non-emotional promiscuity has been depicted. There are ways to portray a tired, lonely, emotionally defeated young woman seeking comfort through anonymous hookups, and this is not one of them. Her portrayal as an object of male fantasy is further discussed here. Keep in mind that this is the first issue, and thus her Establishing Character Moment, which is what Scott Lobdell expects readers to think of her.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Many readers fail to find Jason (and to a lesser extent, Roy) sympathetic, due to Jason being something of a Karma Houdini, who openly references the times he tried to kill members of the Batfamily.