History YMMV / RedHoodAndTheOutlaws

10th Aug '16 11:49:51 AM TheStrayXIII
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** Batman believing that Jason would kill the mayor in the ''Rebirth'' makes zero sense, given that Jason is not known to kill innocent people, at least not intentionally. Although, [[FridgeBrilliance taking into consideration the events that occurred [[ComicBook/RedHoodArsenal in the previous series]][[note]][[spoiler: Wherein Jason murders the Iron Fist during a livestream so he can save Roy.]][[/note]], Batman probably assumed the worst: that [[KnightTemplar Jason had gone off-kilter again]]. It doesn't help that Jason didn't tell him of his real plan (curing the mayor from a techno-organic virus), which probably added to Batman's paranoia. The constant distrust Batman unwittingly casts towards Jason is also one of the themes explored going into the series.

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** Batman believing that Jason would kill the mayor in the ''Rebirth'' makes zero sense, given that Jason is not known to kill innocent people, at least not intentionally. Although, [[FridgeBrilliance taking into consideration the events that occurred occurred]] [[ComicBook/RedHoodArsenal in the previous series]][[note]][[spoiler: Wherein Jason murders the Iron Fist during a livestream so he can to save Roy.]][[/note]], Batman probably assumed the worst: that [[KnightTemplar Jason had gone off-kilter again]]. It doesn't help that Jason didn't tell him of his real plan (curing the mayor from a techno-organic virus), which probably added to Batman's paranoia. The constant distrust Batman unwittingly casts towards Jason is also one of the themes explored going into the series.
10th Aug '16 11:47:24 AM TheStrayXIII
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** Batman believing that Jason would kill the mayor in the ''Rebirth'' makes zero sense, given that Jason is not known to kill innocent people, at least not intentionally.

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** Batman believing that Jason would kill the mayor in the ''Rebirth'' makes zero sense, given that Jason is not known to kill innocent people, at least not intentionally. Although, [[FridgeBrilliance taking into consideration the events that occurred [[ComicBook/RedHoodArsenal in the previous series]][[note]][[spoiler: Wherein Jason murders the Iron Fist during a livestream so he can save Roy.]][[/note]], Batman probably assumed the worst: that [[KnightTemplar Jason had gone off-kilter again]]. It doesn't help that Jason didn't tell him of his real plan (curing the mayor from a techno-organic virus), which probably added to Batman's paranoia. The constant distrust Batman unwittingly casts towards Jason is also one of the themes explored going into the series.
1st Aug '16 12:28:33 PM Hello9876
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** In the ''Rebirth'' issue, Batman taking a young and hungry Jason out for burgers goes quickly from heartwarming to silly, as he immediately begins training him as a ChildSoldier.
1st Aug '16 11:51:27 AM flyingfishcake
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** Initial reactions to Starfire's characterisation in the first issue were extremely poor. She's depicted as a character only in the book to be an emotionless MsFanservice with no apparent attachment to any of her former friends, and abruptly has sex with Roy for no real reason, whilst Jason also implies that he had slept with her as well, even making a joke about her breasts ("a pair of 38's") before she makes her initial appearance. Issue 6, which recounts how Starfire and Jason met, is an attempt to remedy Starfire's initial characterisation, which {{Retcon}}s Jason's dialogue of being "with her" to mean that they had simply spent a night talking, with no sexual intimacy at all. It's also hinted that she may have been faking her memory problems all along, although the first issue has her explicitly narrating to herself about her inability to tell humans apart.
*** Near the end of the run Starfire was given two individual full-body suits, which was no doubt meant to pacify the fans who were upset that they took her Stripperrific costume UpToEleven at the start of the series. However by the time these costumes first appeared it is far to late for most readers.

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** Initial reactions to Starfire's characterisation in the first issue were extremely poor. She's depicted as a character only in the book to be an emotionless MsFanservice with no apparent attachment to any of her former friends, and abruptly has sex with Roy for no real reason, whilst Jason also implies that he had slept with her as well, even making a joke about her breasts ("a pair of 38's") before she makes her initial appearance. Issue 6, which recounts how Starfire and Jason met, is an attempt to remedy Starfire's initial characterisation, which {{Retcon}}s Jason's dialogue of being "with her" to mean that they had simply spent a night talking, with no sexual intimacy at all. It's also hinted that she may have been faking her memory problems all along, although the first issue has her explicitly narrating to herself about her inability to tell humans apart.
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Near the end of the run Starfire was given two individual full-body suits, which was no doubt meant to pacify the fans who were upset that they took her Stripperrific costume UpToEleven at the start of the series. However by the time these costumes first appeared it is far to late for most readers.



* FridgeLogic: Batman believing that Jason would kill the mayor in the ''Rebirth'' makes zero sense, given that Jason is not known to kill innocent people, at least not intentionally.

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** Initial reactions to Starfire's characterisation in the first issue were extremely poor. She's depicted as a character only in the book to be an emotionless MsFanservice with no apparent attachment to any of her former friends, and abruptly has sex with Roy for no real reason, whilst Jason also implies that he had slept with her as well, even making a joke about her breasts ("a pair of 38's") before she makes her initial appearance. Issue 6, which recounts how Starfire and Jason met, is an attempt to remedy Starfire's initial characterisation, which {{Retcon}}s Jason's dialogue of being "with her" to mean that they had simply spent a night talking, with no sexual intimacy at all. It's also hinted that she may have been faking her memory problems all along, although the first issue has her explicitly narrating to herself about her inability to tell humans apart.
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Batman believing that Jason would kill the mayor in the ''Rebirth'' makes zero sense, given that Jason is not known to kill innocent people, at least not intentionally.
30th Jul '16 10:43:41 PM Million_Dollar_Guy
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* FridgeLogic: Batman believing that Jason would kill the mayor in the ''Rebirth'' makes zero sense, given that Jason is not known to kill innocent people, at least not intentionally.
30th Jul '16 10:28:16 PM Million_Dollar_Guy
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*** Further exemplified with Comicbook/DCRebirth, which Jason going undercover to take down a villainous organization, something that [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]] has already been doing to [[Comicbook/{{Grayson}} much critical acclaim]].
29th Jul '16 7:27:15 AM Anddrix
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** Again, under BaseBreaker, but Roy Harper's new backstory. Many fans were unhappy that his Navajo upbringing was made a minor element on Roy's characterization and that his birth father was retconned from a forest ranger who died in a fire when Roy was three to a neglectful alcoholic that died much later.

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** Again, under BaseBreaker, but Roy Harper's new backstory. Many fans were unhappy that his Navajo upbringing was made a minor element on Roy's characterization and that his birth father was retconned from a forest ranger who died in a fire when Roy was three to a neglectful alcoholic that died much later.
28th Jul '16 9:39:40 AM flyingfishcake
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* EightPointEight: The first issue received highly negative reviews, with a wide list of criticisms which included (but was not limited to) the one-dimensional portrayal of Starfire, prompting readers to cry "social justice warrior". To this day, anyone speaking negatively about the series is accused of being a social justice warrior who has not read the book.

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The first issue received highly negative reviews, with a wide list of criticisms which included (but was not limited to) the one-dimensional portrayal of Starfire, prompting readers to cry "social justice warrior". To this day, anyone speaking negatively about the series is accused of being a social justice warrior who has not read the book.book.
** While the first issue of the Comicbook/DCRebirth series has been received better than past issues, there are still a few websites that reviewed it negatively, leading to accusations of bias against Lobdell from some fans.
28th Jul '16 8:45:00 AM TheStrayXIII
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* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Red Hood and the Outlaws: Rebirth'', the series' follow-up to the [[Comicbook/DCRebirth company-wide relaunch]], was met with a warmer reception than the first series' #1. While fans are still exhibiting cold feet regarding Lobdell's involvement with the series, many are happy about numerous elements from the single issue. The new series looks to be the long-awaited return to Jason's original status as an anti-hero, with the potential to turn more towards an anti-villain. From a technical perspective, the solicits for the following issues make it seem like Lobdell is actually taking his time to set up the story and setting, with the new team forming as late as issue #4.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Red Hood and the Outlaws: Rebirth'', the series' follow-up to the [[Comicbook/DCRebirth company-wide relaunch]], was met with a warmer reception than the first series' #1. While fans are still exhibiting cold feet regarding Lobdell's involvement with the series, many are happy about numerous elements from the single issue. The new series looks to be the long-awaited return to Jason's original status as an anti-hero, anti-villain, with the potential to turn lean more towards an anti-villain.the 'villain' aspect. From a technical perspective, the solicits for the following issues make it seem like Lobdell is actually taking his time to set up the story and setting, with the new team forming as late as issue #4.
28th Jul '16 8:43:40 AM TheStrayXIII
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* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Red Hood and the Outlaws: Rebirth'', the series' follow-up to the [[Comicbook/DCRebirth company-wide relaunch]], was met with a warmer reception than the first series' #1. While fans are still exhibiting cold feet regarding Lobdell's involvement with the series, many are happy about numerous elements from the single issue. The new series looks to be the long-awaited return to Jason's original status as an anti-hero, with the potential to turn more towards an anti-villain. From a technical perspective, the solicits for the following issues make it seem like Lobdell is actually taking his time to set up the story and setting, with the new team forming as late as issue #4.
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