These are what we call the 'YMMV items.' Things that some people find in this work. We call them 'your mileage might vary' because not everyone sees these things in the same way. This starts discussions in the trope lists, a thing we don't want. Please use the discussion page if you'd like to discuss any of these items.
Ass Pull: The ending of the "Save Rock and Roll" video, where the band confronts the monster in the briefcase that had absolutely no prior foreshadowing...since they only just thought to include the element of a greater threat than Courtney's gang into the final video instead of hinting at it sooner.
Base Breaker: Pete. Fans of the band either worship him and think he's gorgeous and a great bassist or they think he's an irritating attention whore who can't play bass at all.
Broken Base: Over Folie a Deux, though you'll find more people defending it these days than when it was first released. More generally, people who don't like the direction Fall Out Boy has taken since Take This To Your Grave/From Under The Cork Tree versus...everyone else.
Patrick in the eyes of some fans, especially more considering Pete's unconventional frontman role.
Face of the Band: Pete, and sometimes Patrick. Not many casual fans can name Joe or Andy.
Oddly enough, Patrick, Joe, and Andy were quite comfortable with Pete being the band's face as it meant the rest of them could lead more normal lives without the media intrusion.
Gradually being subverted after their 2013 return. They're doing full band interviews as much as possible and even when they're doing interviews only in groups of two, they're avoiding sticking to the tried and true Pete and Patrick combinations. Andy and Joe are more talkative during interviews, Joe more so than Andy. Patrick and Pete banter back and forth much more than they did in shows before the hiatus, and even Andy joins in! Album wise, lyric writing is no longer solely Pete's role and Andy now has a role with backup vocals alongside Joe and Pete. Let's hope it sticks.
Harsher in Hindsight: Take This To Your Grave's distinctive cover◊ has all the band members and their names on the cover, an uncommon move. This was done to show that, despite Pete's perceived frontman status, Fall Out Boy as a group was the most important thing. After the band gained mainstream success, the media swarmed in on Pete (who took on a more active frontman role due to the rest of the band's reluctance to do interviews and the like) and his status as the Base Breaker and The Scrappy was secured up until the hiatus. While Fall Out Boy post-hiatus gives much more consideration to the group instead of merely Pete when it comes to interviews, on-stage banter, and the like, that means it took them a decade to get back to their original intent for the group's representation.
Hilarious in Hindsight: The Weekend Nachos song "Hometown Hero", released in 2011, is a massive diss at Pete. The message to be taken from the song is: "You sold out of the Chicago hardcore scene, but now your famous band is broken up, you're washed out, and nobody cares about you anymore! Stop trying to reconnect with the friends you ditched and get fucked!" In 2013, Fall Out Boy came back together, regained mainstream prominence, gained loads of new fans on top of the diehards who stuck around during the hiatus. Pete rebounded massively from his divorce and other issues that cropped up to play again with Fall Out Boy, relaunch his successful record label, and deliver his second son by hand. So much for nobody caring! (Though arguably if nobody did, Weekend Nachos wouldn't feel the need to make an entire song about him.)
Hatedom: Pre-hiatus: Mostly due to Pete Wentz, also due to pop radio oversaturation and the poppier aspects of their sound. Post-hiatus: Overwhelmingly due to the poppier aspects of their sound, also due to oversaturation in, of all things, college sports advertisements to the point where nearly every sports related article about them has to ask them about their newfound status as a "jock band" (note: they most definitely aren't). A reporter making them apologize to America for their songs being overplayed on sports ads (despite that, y'know, not being entirely under their control) ended up making the internet rounds and on on /r/NotTheOnion.
Hate Dumb: Mostly assembled of Hipster Haters and Purists who if they ever do desire to give FOB any credit will almost always end up giving it to Take This To Your Grave and nothing else. Complaints from these people about the band "selling out" and/or being a sickeningly popular corporate pop rock band with mobs of rabid, unthinking teenage girl fans have been more unoriginal bark than insightful bite, but get even more glaring when they've been the most consistent reason (beyond Pete Wentz's mere existence) for the hatred for a DECADE. American Beauty/American Psycho is one of the most glaring instances of this as accusations of the band writing songs specifically for televisionnote Their songs have been featuring on television at a greater rate than pre-hiatus, but this wasn't intentional. The only intentional similar instance was "Immortals" for Big Hero 6 and even then, it's a film they chose out of all the ones they've turned down due to fitting their image and love of comics and "ripping off" other pop acts note The band has never intentionally done such a thing, for this album however, they've extensively and legally sampled from artists as diverse as Susanne Vega, Motley Crue, and Son Lux. Sampling is a technique more commonly associated with hip-hop than rock, though with FOB's experience, it's not that surprising for them to consider it are easily debunkable. Fall Out Boy are intentionally making the decisions they have to try and get rock, and by extension themselves, greater attention on the radio and in the mainstream, so in a sense, continued Hate Dumb complaints are a good testament to that. It does get a tad deja vu-y to see people, mostly men, who were complaining about Fall Out Boy in their teens/early twenties still complaining about them (and the teenage girls who enjoy them) in their twenties/thirties.
Hype Backlash: "Take This To Your Grave", the band's first album, is highly considered to be not only one of the band's best albums (if not THE best), but one of the best pop punk albums EVER. To say that fans of their later material are somewhat disappointed that people seem more inclined to overhype what they perceive to be an above-average pop punk album at the expense of their other works would be an understatement.
Hypocritical Fandom: Fall Out Boy fans bashing 5 Seconds of Summer for being a pop heavy rock band or a "boy band"note A common complaint for 5SOS due to opening for One Direction and not having an obvious frontman, though 5SOS don't actually fit any of the genre conventions beyond, well, having a load of teenage girl fans...despite Fall Out Boy also being a pop heavy rock band to the point of heavy criticism even in their own fanbase and being called a "boy band" all the way back in 2005. It doesn't help that 5SOS has a Suspiciously Similar Song to "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" called "Social Casualty", but even Pete doesn't necessarily mind that OR the band themselves. Despite the support, comparisons between the two bands by Luke Hemmings were met by Pete bringing up that FOB made it to the top without a co-sign like One Direction for 5SOS or Scooter Braun for Justin Bieber. Understandably, there's still overlap between the two fandoms.
To a lesser extent, Fall Out Boy fans bashing One Direction fans in the usual "pop versus rock" way despite BOTH fandoms usually being mocked for being predominantly made up of teenage girls. There's also considerable overlap between the 1D fandom and the Fall Out Boy fandom; the announcement that Pete had met with the group and did writing for their album "Four", was met with more actual excitement from Directioners who were fans of Fall Out Boy than fans of exclusively FOB or 1D.
The reception to both groups in the Fall Out Boy fandoms, especially when it came to new fans getting into FOB through 5SOS or 1D being considered "fake fans" was addressed by Pete on his blog.
Internet Backdraft: In the midst of the American riots/Ferguson riots/#BlackLivesMatter protests, a fan asked Patrick what his thoughts were on Ferguson. The thing is, Patrick is known as a super nice guynote and Fall Out Boy has previously sided with black protestors in racial matters, see the story behind the creation of "You're Crashing, but You're No Wave and he didn't want to set out to alienate anybody. His attempts to say that he cared both about the protestors being treated unfairly and competent cops out there who aren't being jerks...failed miserably, as more extremely social justice minded fans on Twitter and Tumblr misread him as being "wishywashy" at best or siding with the cops at worse. He later apologized and reemphasized that he supported the protestors, but due to Tumblr and Twitter fans' tendency to be on the attack and Patrick's reputation in the fandom as being "not problematic", this didn't really do much. All because he was being nice and trying to elaborate on a complex issue in 140 characters.
It's Popular, Now It Sucks: Many fans think that the quality of the albums are negatively proportional to how popular they are, which would mean essentially that they haven't done anything good since "Take This To Your Grave"...or "From Under The Cork Tree", if they're feeling charitable.
Magnum Opus: A decent chunk of fans consider it to be "Take This To Your Grave", with the song "Saturday" being a particular fan favorite. Folie a Deux appears to getting this status among fans over time, especially considering that back in the day, the critical reception was mostly positive, but the fan reception was heavily split, to the point where the band was getting booed for performing the songs on their last tours before hiatus.
Patrick Stump has said that "Dance, Dance" is the best song that he's ever done, both with Fall Out Boy and in his solo career.
And, vice versa, there's a large amount of fans that consider Save Rock And Roll this, between the fact that the entire band wrote all of the songs together and the fact that they took the time to make sure it came out just the way they wanted it, and that it shows their versatility as musicians.
"Thanks, Pete", from the band's acceptance speech at the 2014 Alternative Press Music Awards, became popular, especially on Tumblr, due to Pete actually holding up Patrick to the tall microphone. It even became a Worldwide trending topic on Twitter, and the band added a T-shirt with the phrase to their official merchandise.
Nausea Fuel: Pete eating that apple-heart and then vomiting up blood and a snake in the "Just One Yesterday" video.
In the "Save Rock and Roll" video, a male FOB fan gets disemboweled right before his very eyes by Xibalba.
Narm Charm: While many found the "My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark" music video to be very unnerving, keep in mind, that's 2Chainz in in the music video, burning most of Fall Out Boy's backlog for no apparent reason.
The guest stars seem to cause a lot of it: the death of Big Sean in "The Mighty Fall" is less scary considering he raps his way through his verse which doesn't fit the mood of the scene (and this is right after he snaps a kid's NECK.
Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Those who don't like Pete's face/bass playing/everything probably still have their reasons for keeping him in the heap, but those who think he's an irritating attention whore don't have that much ground to stand on these days. His status as The Face Of The Band has been de-emphasized for the whole band taking part in promotion and interviews and parenting has given him perspective and a grounded attitude. He's not all that interested in celebrity anymore either. As for his bass playing, the jury is still out on that one.
The band itself counts, as when they first came into the lime light songs like "Dance, Dance" had many in the music community writing them of as little more than a pop boy band doomed to quickly fade. Cue many eating their words in utter shock to find out songs like "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light 'Em Up)" and other post-hiatus hits were by the same band.
The Scrappy: Pete. The Hatedom for this band is (or was) mostly because a lot of people really, really, really, REALLY don't like his face/attitude/bass playing/celebrity/everything.
Signature Song: "Sugar, We're Going Down" or "Dance, Dance" or "Thanks For The Memories".
"My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light 'Em Up)" is rapidly becoming this, due to its popularity.
They Changed It, Now It Sucks: Ever since Infinity on High, or arguably From Under The Cork Tree, Fall Out Boy has unabashedly explored pop avenues that other rock bands wouldn't even touch, to the point where nowadays Fall Out Boy has separate single releases for pop and rock radio. Arguably, this is part of why they've continued to last as long as they have, but each album cycle is always going to evoke this trope due to fans and casual listeners usually having a more stricter definition of what rock means...even if Fall Out Boy has even to this day been considered a pop punk/pop rock band.
For American Beauty/American Psycho: The first single released off of the album, "Centuries", is pop heavy way off the gate with a heavy Suzanne Vega sample, so naturally it's getting a lot of vicious comments on the video. The title track also got complaints on its release because even though it's ostensibly a rock song that's gotten favorable comparisons to 70s stuff...there's also a constant EDM undercurrent due to it being a collab with Sebasti An.
Within mere hours of the video release for "Immortals", it's been barraged with comments about being too cutesy and poppy, with people attributing it to being made for a Disney movie, Big Hero 6. However, considering that movie has heavy themes of coping with loss and the impact people still have on other's lives after their deaths, the song becomes a lot less "cutesy" when you put the lyrics in the context of Big Hero 6's narrative.
In examples of the trope that don't involve complaints about the poppier parts of FOB's backcatalog: the trope was evoked for the release of the first song off of Infinity on High, "Carpal Tunnel of Love", which was arguably the heaviest song on the album, along with the entirety of PAX AM DAYS, a punk rock EP. A lot of these complaints weren't coming from fans that prefered the pop end of things either, though they do sometimes come from that end.
Vindicated by History: Folie a Deux, which was adored by critics and a massiveLove It or Hate It upon its release (causing some pretty epic Fan Dumb over it), has rapidly become one of their more popular and well-loved albums since the end of the hiatus. Doesn't hurt that Save Rock And Roll, which was almost universally adored by the fandom, sounds rather similar.
On Fall Out Boy's last headlining tour, Believers Never Die Part Deux, 50 Cent was an opening act for three shows. While some people weren't pleased, most were just very confused as to why a major rapper would be willing to open for Fall Out Boy on a lineup that also featured All Time Low, Cobra Starship, Hey Monday, and Metro Station (though some people were very pleased he was replacing Metro Station on the dates he was scheduled for). Hollywood Holt's brief run opening for the band on the first two and last three dates of the Save Rock and Roll small venue tour was also confusing, but caused way more anger than 50 Cent ever did, to the point where he left the tour before the second to last show. Mind you, having a song about twerking and responding to nearly every negative tweet about him with even more negativity to the point of threateningly inviting those who tweeted their displeasure with him during the show to meet him at the merch table didn't exactly change minds about him.
Patrick, what are you doing on a Weekend Nachos song doing hardcore screaming? Trohman also guested on "Hometown Hero" on that same album; ironically, that song was an extremely venomous attack on Wentz, calling him a sold-out, washed-up has-been who "peaked at 23 years old"...as in around the time Take This to Your Grave came out. Yikes. To make the guest spots on that album even more strange, the entire album is fairly indicative of the trends that cropped up in Chicago hardcore that lead Pete, Patrick, Andy, and Joe to bail from that scene and start Fall Out Boy in the first place. However, it is known that Fall Out Boy as a whole still keeps in touch with many of their old hardcore friends, to the point where Andy played for the crust/metalcore act Enabler during Fall Out Boy's hiatus. "Jock Powerviolence" (the song that Stump appears on) is a more general attack on people who accused Weekend Nachos of being a bandwagon act despite the fact that powerviolence was never a commercially viable genre to begin with. Stump's passage reads like it could have just as easily been aimed at the people who called Fall Out Boy sellouts and "industry whores"note "I stopped trying to be cool a long time ago/I laugh to myself as I see you come and go/make up rules for your friends to live by/I'll keep doing things my way while you fucking cry".