History YMMV / FallOutBoy

4th May '18 7:06:16 PM Anddrix
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** This has been [[Main/LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] on ''WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow'' in the "A Little More Touch Me" episode.

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** This has been [[Main/LampshadeHanging [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] on ''WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow'' in the "A Little More Touch Me" episode.



--> TMVS: [[Main/LoveItOrHateIt That depends.]] [[Main/TakeThat You call yourself a bassist?]]

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--> TMVS: [[Main/LoveItOrHateIt That depends.]] [[Main/TakeThat depends. [[TakeThat You call yourself a bassist?]]
15th Apr '18 11:15:47 AM marcen12
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** This has been [[Main/LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] on ''WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow'' in the "A Little More Touch Me" episode.
--> Pete: You call yourselves hunters?
--> TMVS: [[Main/LoveItOrHateIt That depends.]] [[Main/TakeThat You call yourself a bassist?]]
17th Mar '18 6:32:49 PM Scsigs
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** If you check some of the latest iTunes reviews of ''MANIA'', several people were not pleased with the fact that, if you want the album, you ''have'' to buy the album again rather than iTunes just simply updating their previous purchase of the album to reflect that 'Young & Menace' was reorganized to be the second to last song on it rather than the second song overall as it originally was. Some people also pointed out that with the track list change came the deletion of reviews from before it was changed, making it look like poor taste on their part because both positive ''and'' negative reviews were deleted from it.

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** If you check some of the latest iTunes reviews of ''MANIA'', several people were not pleased with the fact that, if you want already bought the album, you ''have'' to buy the album again rather than iTunes just simply updating their previous purchase of the album to reflect that 'Young & Menace' was reorganized to be the second to last song on it rather than the second song overall as it originally was. Some people also pointed out that with the track list change came the deletion of reviews from before it was changed, making it look like poor taste on their part because both positive ''and'' negative reviews were deleted from it.
17th Mar '18 6:31:43 PM Scsigs
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** If you check some of the latest iTunes reviews of ''MANIA'', several people were not pleased with the fact that, if you want the album, you ''have'' to buy the album again rather than iTunes just simply updating their previous purchase of the album to reflect that 'Young & Menace' was reorganized to be the second to last song on it rather than the second song overall as it originally was. Some people also pointed out that with the track list change came the deletion of reviews from before it was changed, making it look like poor taste on their part because both positive ''and'' negative reviews were deleted from it.
7th Mar '18 12:05:49 PM Scsigs
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* DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys in terms of fan response, or, more recently, critical response. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. 'Young & Menace' is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ''MANIA'' was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. This is different from their 2000s reception, where the people turning away from them only for the fact that they switched from Em-infused Pop Punk to a more Alternative Rock feel in their output, but were still actively trying to go their own way with their music and actively tried to make their music as poignant and unique as they ever did. Overall, they seem to be in one of these as a result of these things.

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* DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys in terms of fan response, or, more recently, critical response. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. 'Young & Menace' is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ''MANIA'' was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. This is different from their 2000s reception, where the people turning away from them only for the fact that they switched from Em-infused Emo-infused Pop Punk to a more Alternative Rock feel in their output, but were still actively trying to go their own way with their music and actively tried to make their music as poignant and unique as they ever did. Overall, they seem to be in one of these as a result of these things.
7th Mar '18 12:04:43 PM Scsigs
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* DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. 'Young & Menace' is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ''MANIA'' was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. Overall, they seem to be in one of these as a result of these things.

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* DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys.guys in terms of fan response, or, more recently, critical response. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. 'Young & Menace' is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ''MANIA'' was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. This is different from their 2000s reception, where the people turning away from them only for the fact that they switched from Em-infused Pop Punk to a more Alternative Rock feel in their output, but were still actively trying to go their own way with their music and actively tried to make their music as poignant and unique as they ever did. Overall, they seem to be in one of these as a result of these things.
3rd Mar '18 4:41:20 PM Scsigs
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* DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. 'Young & Menace' is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ''MANIA'' was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. Overall, they seem to be in one of these from a result of these things.

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* DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. 'Young & Menace' is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ''MANIA'' was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. Overall, they seem to be in one of these from as a result of these things.
3rd Mar '18 4:38:21 PM Scsigs
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** Fall Out Boy's habit for experimentation leads to yet another contentious song among the fanbase: ''Young and Menace.'' While Fall Out Boy dabbled before in electronic music elements like sampling, it comes across more strongly in this track which features studder vocals and a ''drop''. While most of the elements are actually done with traditional rock instruments and effects, that hasn't stopped the "oldschool fans who don't like new Fall Out Boy material for perceived lack of depth versus everyone else who liked the song" conflicts.

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** Fall Out Boy's habit for experimentation leads to yet another contentious song among the fanbase: ''Young 'Young and Menace.'' ' While Fall Out Boy dabbled before in electronic music elements like sampling, it comes across more strongly in this track which features studder vocals and a ''drop''. While most of the elements are actually done with traditional rock instruments and effects, that hasn't stopped the "oldschool "old school fans who don't like new Fall Out Boy material for perceived lack of depth versus everyone else who liked the song" conflicts.



* DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. ‘Young & Menace’ is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ‘’MANIA’’ was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. Overall, they seem to be in one of these from a result of these things.

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* DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. ‘Young 'Young & Menace’ Menace' is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ‘’MANIA’’ ''MANIA'' was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. Overall, they seem to be in one of these from a result of these things.
3rd Mar '18 4:32:44 PM Scsigs
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*DorkAge: The 2010s haven’t been kind to these guys. Many feel that they’ve gone down in quality with each successive release, as they seem to continually chase Pop trends and experiment too closely with electronica elements, plus Pete’s lyrics seem to either be dumbed down, or at least less clever, overly repetitive, mixed up, and/or confusing in terms of structure compared to their prior releases. The production also goes more for Pop than Rock, as the electronics take the place of most of the regular instruments they play, or their regular instruments are distorted to such a degree that they’re unrecognizable or don’t sound good. ‘Young & Menace’ is the first song they’ve produced that the majority of the fandom can agree is garbage, which resulted in them quickly saying that that was the one song like it on the album. Then their sellout nature showed with the fact that ‘’MANIA’’ was announced before it was even written, then was delayed with no surprise to many to try to work out the kinks, which didn’t really show in the final product because of the production being bad compared to their prior releases. Their constant touring and march marketing is also brought up amongst fans, as they really seem to be pushing to make money off those things, even pushing themselves to the brink of creative and physical burnout like they did by 2009, which caused their first hiatus. Their seemingly seeking more money than ever at the expense of the music by playing to a more mainstream crowd has also turned some off from their newer music as a result, similar to Music/{{Weezer}}’s fanbase prior to 2014 and in 2017. Overall, they seem to be in one of these from a result of these things.
20th Feb '18 1:56:07 PM GenreSavvyEldritch
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* DorkAge: Depending on where you stand on their backlog, it may have started as early as ''Infinity on High,'' but most people will say they started on a downward slope on ''Save Rock & Roll'' for varying reasons, mainly in terms of it being ironic that an album called such mainly features different styles of Pop Rock with electronic elements rather than varying styles of Rock. However, others will argue it started on ''American Beauty/American Psycho,'' which is mainly made up of songs that sample parts of others, has more electronics than the last album, and has an air of them not really working to make it their best. 'Uma Thurman' in particular is a song that shouldn't work on paper, with the disjointed lyrics that try to be female empowering based on Uma's roles in ''Pulp Fiction'' and ''Kill Bill'', yet samples the theme song of ''The Munsters'' rather than the theme of ''Pulp Fiction'', and has really bad mixed metaphors and lyrics that only sound good when sang back to back rather than having any coherent cohesion, but somehow works when you bring it all together in the mix. The rest of the songs are either ok, or are arena Rock songs meant to be hype anthems, 'Centuries' and 'Immortals' in particular.
** However, now we have ''MANIA'' being another source of contention on this, since it has songs that are considered terribly produced and/or underwritten, 'Young & Menace' being the primary example, as it skews off into directions that they ''never'' should've attempted, like the terrible pitch shifts, the overly-long choruses, and bad instrumentation on top of the ''heavy'' electronic elements. The backlash was so big that they were quick to say that that was the only song on the album like that, as to not scare more people off from checking out the album that didn't like it. There's also songs that have ''very'' repetitive lyrics, 'Stay Frosty', are underwritten, 'Champion,' or have really confusing lyrics, again, 'Young & Menace.' It also now feels like they're just cashing in on their prior success even more than the two albums before it. Not helping their case is that they delayed the release of the album by almost 4 months so that they could apparently work out the kinks, but it not really showing all that much in the final product. When the thing was actually delayed, it felt like they were just writing songs as they went ''after'' announcing the release date rather than being well into production before releasing it, which fuels the cash-in feel of the album. Now they're also even ''more'' accused of trying to be Music/Maroon5 than they've ever been; a band that sold out long ago and has been chasing current Pop trends, hoping to stay some semblance of relevant, but is actually growing less and less with each successive album. The only people defending them nowadays are the diehard fangirls, not many others.

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* DorkAge: Depending on where you stand on their backlog, it may have started as early as ''Infinity on High,'' but most people will say they started on a downward slope on ''Save Rock & Roll'' for varying reasons, mainly in terms of it being ironic that an album called such mainly features different styles of Pop Rock with electronic elements rather than varying styles of Rock. However, others will argue it started on ''American Beauty/American Psycho,'' which is mainly made up of songs that sample parts of others, has more electronics than the last album, and has an air of them not really working to make it their best. 'Uma Thurman' in particular is a song that shouldn't work on paper, with the disjointed lyrics that try to be female empowering based on Uma's roles in ''Pulp Fiction'' and ''Kill Bill'', yet samples the theme song of ''The Munsters'' rather than the theme of ''Pulp Fiction'', and has really bad mixed metaphors and lyrics that only sound good when sang back to back rather than having any coherent cohesion, but somehow works when you bring it all together in the mix. The rest of the songs are either ok, or are arena Rock songs meant to be hype anthems, 'Centuries' and 'Immortals' in particular.
** However, now we have ''MANIA'' being another source of contention on this, since it has songs that are considered terribly produced and/or underwritten, 'Young & Menace' being the primary example, as it skews off into directions that they ''never'' should've attempted, like the terrible pitch shifts, the overly-long choruses, and bad instrumentation on top of the ''heavy'' electronic elements. The backlash was so big that they were quick to say that that was the only song on the album like that, as to not scare more people off from checking out the album that didn't like it. There's also songs that have ''very'' repetitive lyrics, 'Stay Frosty', are underwritten, 'Champion,' or have really confusing lyrics, again, 'Young & Menace.' It also now feels like they're just cashing in on their prior success even more than the two albums before it. Not helping their case is that they delayed the release of the album by almost 4 months so that they could apparently work out the kinks, but it not really showing all that much in the final product. When the thing was actually delayed, it felt like they were just writing songs as they went ''after'' announcing the release date rather than being well into production before releasing it, which fuels the cash-in feel of the album. Now they're also even ''more'' accused of trying to be Music/Maroon5 than they've ever been; a band that sold out long ago and has been chasing current Pop trends, hoping to stay some semblance of relevant, but is actually growing less and less with each successive album. The only people defending them nowadays are the diehard fangirls, not many others.



* MisaimedFandom: Many a fangirl will appropriate the message of their music video for 'The Take Over, The Breaks Over', in that people grow and change, as a way to tell people who don't like their musical direction since 2013 that they're overreacting. However, that message was made when they were just trying to go for a more general Pop Punk/Alternative Rock sound and were still doing their own things with their sound. Their current musical style is trying way too hard to be with everything else that's happening in current Pop music, at the expense of both their writing and production of their music, to the point that criticisms include comparisons to Maroon 5's developments in recent years, who's fandom has come to the same conclusion about ''them,'' so a lot of the criticisms of their recent albums are pretty justified, especially since they're getting more mixed reactions since the first single for ''MANIA'' came out and was mostly hated by those who heard it for how it was produced (compounded by the fact that they quickly said that that song was the only one like it on the album, then they eventually delayed the album by around 4 months to make sure it was better than it was turning out, but the album still came out bad anyways). Thus the criticisms of "sellout" that's being lobbed at them hold more weight nowadays than they did in 2007, in which the only people that would hate their post-2005 output were people who preferred their Emo Pop style.



** Ever since 2015, their trend of making big and bombastic Pop songs, as well as Patrick's singing style (as well as general attitudes towards their band and making music) have gotten them comparisons to Music/Maroon5. So much so that they're quickly being labelled as the new them. Most of their newer material wouldn't be too out of place on a Maroon 5 album either, which makes this accusation all the more true.

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** Ever since 2015, their trend of making big and bombastic Pop songs, as well as Patrick's singing style (as well as general attitudes towards their band and making music) have gotten them comparisons to Music/Maroon5. So much so that they're quickly being labelled as the new them. Most of their newer material arguably wouldn't be too out of place on a Maroon 5 album either, which makes this accusation all the more true.either.
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