History YMMV / FallOutBoy

4th Aug '16 11:04:13 AM Angeldeb82
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* DethroningMomentOfSuck: Almost ''nobody'' liked Fall Out Boy's cover/reimagining of the Ghostbusters theme song, featuring Missy Elliot. Many fans of the old FOB use the song to exemplify the point of Fall Out Boy selling out.



* HypocriticalFandom: Fall Out Boy fans bashing 5 Seconds of Summer for being a pop heavy rock band or a "boy band"[[note]]A common complaint for 5SOS due to opening for One Direction and not having an obvious frontman, though 5SOS don't actually fit any of the genre conventions beyond, well, having a load of teenage girl fans. The extent to which they're truly ''rock'' is a point of debate due to defining themselves as a rock band while doing things that are more conventially done by pop musicians (for example: they play their own instruments and write their own songs, but also are completely transparent about having co-songwriting duties shared with personages like John Feldy from Goldfinger and the Madden Brothers from Good Charlotte. [[/note]]...despite Fall Out Boy also being a pop heavy rock band to the point of heavy criticism even in their own fanbase and being called a "boy band" all the way back in ''2005''. It doesn't help that 5SOS has a SuspiciouslySimilarSong to "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" called "Social Casualty", but even Pete doesn't necessarily mind that OR the band themselves. Despite the support, comparisons between the two bands by Luke Hemmings were met by Pete bringing up (unmaliciously) that FOB did initially come from a pure punk background, unlike 5SOS who primarily started as a [=YouTube=] cover band that branched out into original material, and made it to the top without a co-sign like One Direction for 5SOS or Scooter Braun for Justin Bieber. Understandably, there's still overlap between the two fandoms. Many people want to enjoy both bands' music without getting into a semantics argument, especially considering the arguments made tend to be repetitive anyways.

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* HypocriticalFandom: Fall Out Boy fans bashing 5 Seconds of Summer for being a pop heavy rock band or a "boy band"[[note]]A common complaint for 5SOS due to opening for One Direction and not having an obvious frontman, though 5SOS don't actually fit any of the genre conventions beyond, well, having a load of teenage girl fans. The extent to which they're truly ''rock'' is a point of debate due to defining themselves as a rock band while doing things that are more conventially conventionally done by pop musicians (for example: they play their own instruments and write their own songs, but also are completely transparent about having co-songwriting duties shared with personages like John Feldy from Goldfinger and the Madden Brothers from Good Charlotte. [[/note]]...despite Fall Out Boy also being a pop heavy rock band to the point of heavy criticism even in their own fanbase and being called a "boy band" all the way back in ''2005''. It doesn't help that 5SOS has a SuspiciouslySimilarSong to "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" called "Social Casualty", but even Pete doesn't necessarily mind that OR the band themselves. Despite the support, comparisons between the two bands by Luke Hemmings were met by Pete bringing up (unmaliciously) that FOB did initially come from a pure punk background, unlike 5SOS who primarily started as a [=YouTube=] cover band that branched out into original material, and made it to the top without a co-sign like One Direction for 5SOS or Scooter Braun for Justin Bieber. Understandably, there's still overlap between the two fandoms. Many people want to enjoy both bands' music without getting into a semantics argument, especially considering the arguments made tend to be repetitive anyways.



* InternetBackdraft: In the midst of the American riots/Ferguson riots/#[=BlackLivesMatter=] protests, a fan asked Patrick what his thoughts were on Ferguson. The thing is, Patrick is known as a super nice guy[[note]]and Fall Out Boy has previously sided with black protestors in racial matters, see the story behind the creation of "You're Crashing, but You're No Wave[[/note]] and he didn't want to set out to alienate anybody. His attempts to say that he cared both about the protestors being treated unfairly and competent cops out there who aren't being jerks...failed miserably, as more extremely social justice minded fans on Twitter and Tumblr misread him as being "wishywashy" at best or siding with the cops at worse. He later apologized and reemphasized that he supported the protestors, but due to Tumblr and Twitter fans' tendency to be on the attack and Patrick's reputation in the fandom as being "not problematic", this didn't really do much. All because he was being nice and trying to elaborate on a complex issue in 140 characters.

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* InternetBackdraft: In the midst of the American riots/Ferguson riots/#[=BlackLivesMatter=] protests, a fan asked Patrick what his thoughts were on Ferguson. The thing is, Patrick is known as a super nice guy[[note]]and Fall Out Boy has previously sided with black protestors in racial matters, see the story behind the creation of "You're Crashing, but You're No Wave[[/note]] and he didn't want to set out to alienate anybody. His attempts to say that he cared both about the protestors protesters being treated unfairly and competent cops out there who aren't being jerks...failed miserably, as more extremely social justice minded fans on Twitter and Tumblr misread him as being "wishywashy" at best or siding with the cops at worse. He later apologized and reemphasized that he supported the protestors, protesters, but due to Tumblr and Twitter fans' tendency to be on the attack and Patrick's reputation in the fandom as being "not problematic", this didn't really do much. All because he was being nice and trying to elaborate on a complex issue in 140 characters.



** From "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race": I'M A LITTLE MAN, WHO'S ALSO EVIL, ALSO INTO CAAAAAAAATS. Heck, there's even a cute cat picture site named Also Into Cats, [[http://www.alsointocats.com/fall-out-boy-returns/ they even posted about the Fall Out Boy comeback.]]

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** From "This Ain't A Scene, It's An Arms Race": I'M A LITTLE MAN, WHO'S ALSO EVIL, ALSO INTO CAAAAAAAATS. [[note]]"I'm a leading man, / And the lies I weave are oh so intricate."[[/note]] Heck, there's even a cute cat picture site named Also Into Cats, [[http://www.alsointocats.com/fall-out-boy-returns/ they even posted about the Fall Out Boy comeback.]]



** People have plenty to say about Pete's appearances on TV (especially Series/OneTreeHill) for [[SoBadItsGood one huge reason]]. People also have plenty of things to say about Patrick's appearances on TV for [[HeReallyCanAct a completely different reason]].

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** People have plenty to say about Pete's appearances on TV (especially Series/OneTreeHill) for [[SoBadItsGood one huge reason]]. People also have plenty of things to say about Patrick's appearances on TV for [[HeReallyCanAct [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct a completely different reason]].
13th Jul '16 9:02:35 AM MatthewWayne
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* DethroningMomentOfSuck: Almost ''nobody'' liked Fall Out Boy's cover/reimagining of the Ghostbusters theme song, featuring Missy Elliot. Many fans of the old FOB use the song to exemplify the point of Fall Out Boy selling out.
19th May '16 10:59:51 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** Not to mention Pete on ''Series/{{CSINY}}'' and ''Series/{{Californication}}''! And ''OneTreeHill'', but the less we say about that, the better.
** People have plenty to say about Pete's appearances on TV (especially OneTreeHill) for [[SoBadItsGood one huge reason]]. People also have plenty of things to say about Patrick's appearances on TV for [[HeReallyCanAct a completely different reason]].

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** Not to mention Pete on ''Series/{{CSINY}}'' and ''Series/{{Californication}}''! And ''OneTreeHill'', ''Series/OneTreeHill'', but the less we say about that, the better.
** People have plenty to say about Pete's appearances on TV (especially OneTreeHill) Series/OneTreeHill) for [[SoBadItsGood one huge reason]]. People also have plenty of things to say about Patrick's appearances on TV for [[HeReallyCanAct a completely different reason]].
18th May '16 11:37:04 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** Not to mention Pete on ''{{CSINY}}'' and ''Series/{{Californication}}''! And ''OneTreeHill'', but the less we say about that, the better.

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** Not to mention Pete on ''{{CSINY}}'' ''Series/{{CSINY}}'' and ''Series/{{Californication}}''! And ''OneTreeHill'', but the less we say about that, the better.
6th Feb '16 3:01:20 PM hamza678
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* MagnumOpus: A decent chunk of fans consider it to be "Take This To Your Grave", with the song "Saturday" being a particular fan favorite. Folie a Deux appears to getting this status among fans over time, especially considering that back in the day, the critical reception was mostly positive, but the fan reception was [[BrokenBase heavily split]], to the point where the band was getting booed for performing the songs on their last tours before hiatus.
** Patrick Stump has said that "Dance, Dance" is the best song that he's ever done, both with Fall Out Boy and in his solo career.
** And, vice versa, there's a large amount of fans that consider ''Save Rock And Roll'' this, between the fact that the entire band wrote all of the songs together and the fact that they took the time to make sure it came out just the way they wanted it, and that it shows their versatility as musicians.
30th Jan '16 7:12:58 PM CainandAble
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** ''She wants to dance like OO-MA THURMAN, bury me til I confess…''
7th Jan '16 11:18:26 AM tenuousbreaker
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* HypocriticalFandom: Fall Out Boy fans bashing 5 Seconds of Summer for being a pop heavy rock band or a "boy band"[[note]]A common complaint for 5SOS due to opening for One Direction and not having an obvious frontman, though 5SOS don't actually fit any of the genre conventions beyond, well, having a load of teenage girl fans[[/note]]...despite Fall Out Boy also being a pop heavy rock band to the point of heavy criticism even in their own fanbase and being called a "boy band" all the way back in ''2005''. It doesn't help that 5SOS has a SuspiciouslySimilarSong to "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" called "Social Casualty", but even Pete doesn't necessarily mind that OR the band themselves. Despite the support, comparisons between the two bands by Luke Hemmings were met by Pete bringing up that FOB made it to the top without a co-sign like One Direction for 5SOS or Scooter Braun for Justin Bieber. Understandably, there's still overlap between the two fandoms.
** To a lesser extent, Fall Out Boy fans bashing Music/OneDirection fans in the usual "pop versus rock" way despite BOTH fandoms usually being mocked for being predominantly made up of teenage girls. There's also considerable overlap between the 1D fandom and the Fall Out Boy fandom; the announcement that Pete had met with the group and did writing for their album "Four", was met with more actual excitement from Directioners who were fans of Fall Out Boy than fans of exclusively FOB or 1D.
** The reception to both groups in the Fall Out Boy fandoms, especially when it came to new fans getting into FOB through 5SOS or 1D being considered "fake fans" was [[http://insincerelypete.com/post/92800550669/i-felt-like-i-wasnt-going-to-address-it-but-i-see addressed by Pete on his blog]].
** It should be noted however, that while both FOB and 5SOS are pop rock bands, the "rock" part is what seperates them. FOB drew their rock influence from 90s emo bands, and contains Pete "the screaming guy from Arma Angelus" Wentz. 5SOS's status as a rock band only is technically there because they play their own instruments. Other than that they're no more rock than an average 1D song. It's mostly the 20 something fans of the first run FOB that hate the fandom crossover, not the 13 year old girls who are probaby more accustomed to FOB's own [[GenreShift current status]] as barely a rock band.

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* HypocriticalFandom: Fall Out Boy fans bashing 5 Seconds of Summer for being a pop heavy rock band or a "boy band"[[note]]A common complaint for 5SOS due to opening for One Direction and not having an obvious frontman, though 5SOS don't actually fit any of the genre conventions beyond, well, having a load of teenage girl fans[[/note]]...fans. The extent to which they're truly ''rock'' is a point of debate due to defining themselves as a rock band while doing things that are more conventially done by pop musicians (for example: they play their own instruments and write their own songs, but also are completely transparent about having co-songwriting duties shared with personages like John Feldy from Goldfinger and the Madden Brothers from Good Charlotte. [[/note]]...despite Fall Out Boy also being a pop heavy rock band to the point of heavy criticism even in their own fanbase and being called a "boy band" all the way back in ''2005''. It doesn't help that 5SOS has a SuspiciouslySimilarSong to "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" called "Social Casualty", but even Pete doesn't necessarily mind that OR the band themselves. Despite the support, comparisons between the two bands by Luke Hemmings were met by Pete bringing up (unmaliciously) that FOB did initially come from a pure punk background, unlike 5SOS who primarily started as a [=YouTube=] cover band that branched out into original material, and made it to the top without a co-sign like One Direction for 5SOS or Scooter Braun for Justin Bieber. Understandably, there's still overlap between the two fandoms.
fandoms. Many people want to enjoy both bands' music without getting into a semantics argument, especially considering the arguments made tend to be repetitive anyways.
** To a lesser extent, Fall Out Boy fans bashing Music/OneDirection fans in the usual "pop versus rock" way despite BOTH fandoms usually being mocked for being predominantly made up of teenage girls. There's also considerable overlap between the 1D fandom and the Fall Out Boy fandom; the announcement that Pete had met with the group and did writing for their album "Four", was met with more actual excitement from Directioners who were fans of Fall Out Boy than fans of exclusively FOB or 1D.
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** The reception to both groups in the Fall Out Boy fandoms, especially when it came to new fans getting into FOB through 5SOS or 1D being considered "fake fans" was [[http://insincerelypete.com/post/92800550669/i-felt-like-i-wasnt-going-to-address-it-but-i-see addressed by Pete on his blog]].
** It should be noted however, that while both FOB and 5SOS are pop rock bands, the "rock" part is what seperates them. FOB drew their rock influence from 90s emo bands, and contains Pete "the screaming guy from Arma Angelus" Wentz. 5SOS's status as a rock band only is technically there because they play their own instruments. Other than that they're no more rock than an average 1D song. It's mostly the 20 something fans of the first run FOB that hate the fandom crossover, not the 13 year old girls who are probaby more accustomed to FOB's own [[GenreShift current status]] as barely a rock band.
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** In examples of the trope that don't involve complaints about the poppier parts of FOB's backcatalog: the trope was evoked for the release of the first song off of Infinity on High, "Carpal Tunnel of Love", which was arguably the heaviest song on the album, along with the entirety of PAX AM DAYS, a punk rock EP. A lot of these complaints weren't coming from fans that prefered the pop end of things either, though they do sometimes come from that end.

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** In examples of the trope that don't involve complaints about the poppier parts of FOB's backcatalog: the trope was evoked for the release of the first song off of Infinity on High, "Carpal Tunnel of Love", which was arguably the heaviest song on the album, along with the entirety of PAX AM DAYS, a punk rock EP. A lot of these complaints weren't coming from fans that prefered preferred the pop end of things either, though they do sometimes come from that end.
9th Oct '15 10:57:51 PM LaptopGuy
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** It should be noted however, that while both FOB and 5S are pop rock bands, the "rock" part is what seperates them. FOB drew their rock influence from 90s emo bands, and contains Pete "the screaming guy from Arma Angelus" Wentz. 5SOS's status as a rock band only is technically there because they play their own instruments. Other than that they're no more rock than an average 1D song. It's mostly the 20 something fans of the first run FOB that hate the fandom crossover, not the 13 year old girls who are probaby more accustomed to FOB's own [[GenreShift current status]] as barely a rock band.

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** It should be noted however, that while both FOB and 5S 5SOS are pop rock bands, the "rock" part is what seperates them. FOB drew their rock influence from 90s emo bands, and contains Pete "the screaming guy from Arma Angelus" Wentz. 5SOS's status as a rock band only is technically there because they play their own instruments. Other than that they're no more rock than an average 1D song. It's mostly the 20 something fans of the first run FOB that hate the fandom crossover, not the 13 year old girls who are probaby more accustomed to FOB's own [[GenreShift current status]] as barely a rock band.



** "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light 'Em Up)" is rapidly becoming this, due to its popularity. And now "Centuries."

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** "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light 'Em Up)" is rapidly becoming this, due to its popularity. And now "Centuries.""Centuries" and "Uma Thurman".
4th Oct '15 8:07:35 AM wittylibrarian
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** "You will REMEMBER meeee for CENTURIES..."
3rd Aug '15 9:00:31 AM sgamer82
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** Within mere ''hours'' of the video release for "Immortals", it's been barraged with comments about being too cutesy and poppy, with people attributing it to being made for a ''Disney'' movie, Film/BigHero6. However, considering that movie has heavy themes of coping with loss and the impact people still have on other's lives after their deaths, the song becomes a lot less "cutesy" when you put the lyrics in the context of Big Hero 6's narrative.

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** Within mere ''hours'' of the video release for "Immortals", it's been barraged with comments about being too cutesy and poppy, with people attributing it to being made for a ''Disney'' movie, Film/BigHero6.''Disney/BigHero6''. However, considering that movie has heavy themes of coping with loss and the impact people still have on other's lives after their deaths, the song becomes a lot less "cutesy" when you put the lyrics in the context of Big Hero 6's narrative.
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