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Shared Universes, Ponies, Equestria, Equestrian Culture, Science and Magic, Other Species (Changelings, Dragons)
Shared Universes, Ponies, Equestria, Equestrian Culture, Science and Magic, Other Species (Changelings, Dragons)
Ponies aren't the only inhabitants of Equestria that inspire mysteries.
Some of the pegasus ponies seen so far have sharper features, longer wings, more pointed ears and almost beak-like mouths. (Case in point: The jock ponies from Sonic Rainboom.) This means they have griffon/hippogriff ancestry.
Now, following this line of logic, it's possible that all pegasus ponies are descended from intermarrying of griffons and ponies.
- The traits you were talking about seem to be typical of male pegasi, and stallions in general.
- While the Ponies of Equestria earn their cutie marks, the Zebra foals earn their stripes!
There is actually some circumstantial evidence for this in the show itself. Zecora has a cutie mark, indicating that zebras have some facets in common with ponies. She also has quite an affinity for plants, which is generally an earth pony thing; this suggests she's an earth zebra.
- This troper always assumed this; showing a winged zebra would be weird without seeing any Earth first, anyway. Zecora is simply a non-European/American(??) pony.
- There is an African equivalent to the unicorn, the abada, so they may appear. I don't know about winged African horses though.
- Pegasi aithiopes fit the bill.
- Are you under the impression that "pony" is a synonym for "foal" rather than a class of short horse breeds?
- Aside from the fact that the terms aren't synonymous, the transformed mouse-horses on the Season 1 finale didn't seem to be entirely sapient. Then again, they were still behaving more-or-less like mice.
- May be confirmed by Magic Duel, which features ostensibly foreign characters that are about the size of an alicorn and their legs and snouts look leaner than those of ponies.
- Confirmed; Saddle Arabian horses are technicolor like ponies, but have totally different hooves from ponies (more like actual hooves) and don't appear to have cutie marks (strangely enough, as zebras are way less similar to ponies in real life but in the show they are pony-sized and shaped and have unique cutie marks.) They're also much stronger than ponies, if the song "hearts as strong as horses" is anything to go by.
- Honestly kind of doubtful — given evidence throughout the series, it's likely that ponies are just very varied in body size and build, and "horse" is just a name for big ponies, in the inverse of how it works in real life. The hooves thing is far from unusual — having visible hooves that don't blend into the rest of the leg seems to just be something that comes with a pony being big: besides Luna and Celestia (who were all introduced very early on, so Early-Installment Weirdness may be in play), this kind of visible hooves is present in nearly all ponies above a certain size — even Big Mac, Blueblood and Shining Armor, who are just a bit tall, have them. The Saddle Arabians are very slender, but so are alicorns and many unicorns like Fleur de Lis and Sassy Saddles. As for the size, characters who are clearly ponies, like Troubleshoes and Rockhoof, are just as tall as the Saddle Arabians — Troubleshoes may be taller, if anything — but are actually bigger than them, as they're much more heavily built. As for the strength, if horses are technically earth ponies (Troubleshoes and Rockhoof are, and some Saddle Arabians are hornless while others are clearly unicorns) it may just be a derivative of earth pony strength combined with increased size. There isn't really much evidence to argue that horses and ponies are separate species — while some sort of difference almost certainly exists, it's nothing that as of now wouldn't be more easily explained by them simply being a variant of pony.
- Ponies (technicolor): Earth Ponies, Unicorns, Pegasi
- Ponies (African): Zebras, Abada, Pegasi Aithiopes
- Ponies (Asian?): Mongolian wild horses, Qilin, Tulpar
- Griffons: Hieracosphinx, Keythong (yes, the name is real), Standard griffon
- Dragons: Earth Dragons, Magic Dragons (Spike's breed?), "Standard" dragons
- No, dragons are: Earth dragons (Spike), Winged dragons, and Asian dragons (Discord and the sea serpent from the second episode)
- It's doubtful that Spike is a different breed from other dragons, as the only physical difference, his winglessness, is due explicitly to his youth — in "Molt Down", he molts and gains wings, and it's revealed that all dragons are born wingless and gain the extra limbs in their puberty.
- No, dragons are: Earth dragons (Spike), Winged dragons, and Asian dragons (Discord and the sea serpent from the second episode)
- Dogs: Diamond Dogs (Earth), Scurvy Dogs (water), Foo Dogs/Blink Dogs (magic), Black Dogs (air), Hellhounds (fire, may need a rename), Cerberus (Alicorn)
Feel free to add more for the varieties of other creatures, or suggest different line-ups.
- I'd say dragons likely include Water instead of Earth. Steven Magnet, the Sea Serpent is a dragon in this lineup (though Fluttershy doesn't know that Sea Serpents are a dragon subspecies), and we have Water-Magic-Air.
- Sea serpents might constitute their own group. So far, we've seen the Hydra and Steven Magnet. They might count as the "Earth" and "Magic" varieties, respectively (Steven is pretty magical). Now all we need is a flying sea-serpent…
- Steven's pretty clearly an Asian-style dragon. Notice how much his emo-fest was stirring up the river? That's actually rather typical.
- Seeing Spike's adult form in "Secret of My Excess", it is confirmed that Spike will not grow any wings like the other dragons shown so far.
- Jossed with the Season 8 episode "Molt Down", where Spike gets his wings. It's explained that at a certain age, all dragons go through a molt during which they get wings, whereas the greed-induced growth is something different, unrelated to the natural aging process.
- I'd call the dogs of the air Canes Majores, after the Ursa Major.
- There are hippocampi out there, along with the kin of Sleipnir. Count on it.
- Confirmed for the hippocampi.
- Tauren (the minotaur race) only have two subspecies: Minotaurs (earth) and Satyrs (magic). Should they need flight or weather control they'd either get assistance from griffins or use the "Wings of Daedalus". Alicorn variant would be either Apis or the Bronze Bulls.
- The Storm King's species, whatever it is, could be the air-specific variant of satyrs, considering he has weather-related powers.
- The Storm King does not, however, have any weather-related magic or indeed any magic at all — his primary motivation in the movie is to gain magic to begin with in order to actually be able to create and control storms, which he cannot by himself do.
- The Storm King's species, whatever it is, could be the air-specific variant of satyrs, considering he has weather-related powers.
- Also worth noting: hippogriffs/seaponies display a greater degree of magic than most other races — chiefly in the form of shapeshifting, thanks to the pearl and the necklaces made from it — and are much more colorful than the decidedly non-magical griffons are.
- Since we know that mules, a horse-donkey hybrid, exist in the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic universe, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that other hybrid species exist. Griffins also exist, which could imply the possibility of Interspecies Romance between two non-pony species. In Real Life, there are zebra-horse hybrids, and since zebras exist in the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic universe it's also no stretch that they could breed with ponies.
- Or that mules in Equestria aren't bred like mules in our world.
- Hippogriffs are confirmed to exist in the 2017 movie, but they appear to be a naturally occurring and self-sustaining species.
- Past My Little Pony franchises feature zebras that come in bright colors just like the ponies. Since Zecora is the only zebra we've seen in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic so far, there's no reason to believe that there are no brightly colored zebras.
- Of course, there comes the question of what those would be. Is there an Eastern dragon watching over Spike's ilk? Do the Diamond Dogs answer to the great and mighty Snoop Dog?
- I laughed at the Snoop Dog part, perhaps he can voice the Diamond Dogs' leader. The buffalo's Physical God could be a white buffalo, considering to be sacred among the plains Indians.
- Diamond Dogs would be led by David Bowwow.
- Presumably alongside his younger brother, Lil' Bow Wow?
- A good name for the ruler of the Diamond Dogs might be Rex — firstly because it's one of the most archetypal names out there for the larger sorts of dogs, and secondly because it's straight up the Latin word for "king".
- I laughed at the Snoop Dog part, perhaps he can voice the Diamond Dogs' leader. The buffalo's Physical God could be a white buffalo, considering to be sacred among the plains Indians.
- Griffins: Ziz, a griffin like beast large enough to block out the sun and is considered the lord of the sky.
- Hippocamps/Sea dwellers: Leviathan
- Underworld: The Deep One
- I'm skeptical about this, at least the modern antagonism between the two cultures, seeing as how Gilda was able to walk around unmolested and her treatment of Ponyville seemed more about how it was a small boring town (she came during a slow week), and she was allowed to attend Junior Speedsters Flight Camp (or Rainbow Dash was... its location isn't quite made clear). I'd say they have a neutral stance in modern times, but they are kept apart because the two cultures freak each other out (which is why Griffons are unrecognized by Pinkie and considered rare by Rarity). Griffons are likely carnivores, but have the same cultural opposition to eating sentient creatures as we would, and pretty much every animal in Equestria qualifies. Meanwhile, because Equestrians are fairly isolationist, they probably wouldn't realize animals outside their lands can't hold conversations. To keep the Griffon/Horse dichotomy, Griffons likely raise (non-sentient) horses, something that is viewed by Ponies like Westerners view eating Great Apes at best (and allows for the existence of phrases like "gift horse" without referring to slavery).
- It's also possible that Gilda is a Griffin ambassador in Equestria without telling to Rainbow Dash, and just like the bad guy from Lethal Weapon 2, she had diplomatic immunity, and was abusing it.
- My personal canon is that the Griffon-Pony War ended a few years ago; Gilda is of the first generation to grow up knowing peace. but she still picked up on her parents' quiet animosity towards ponies, and so she hates them as well, with one exception. Meanwhile, Ponyville is in the shadow of Canterlot, the capital city. Since a country usually spreads out from the capital, and I imagine the war was sen mostly at the border between the two counties, it may be that none of them actually saw the war, meaning that it was too distant for them to develop emotional feelings against griffons. I'm not sure where the Young Fliers Camp would be located, but since the war is over they had no reason to bar griffons from joining. Gilda may have gotten some flak from the poinis that came from the border, but Rainbow Dash likely defended her like she did Flutershy at Flight School, which may be why they became friends in the first place. And this suddenly became an impromptu fanfic.
- Jossed in "The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone" — there doesn't seem to have been any bad blood between the original Griffon kingdom and Equestria, and modern Griffonstone is barely holding itself together and in no condition to wage war against anyone. Further, the lack of information in Equestria about modern conditions in Griffonstone likely means there has been very little interaction between the two nations in recent times.
- Possibly supported by Rarity's interest when talking to Applejack at Pinkie's party:I hear she's an old friend of Rainbow Dash; a griffin! So rare!
- We have a griffon in "MMMMystery on the Friendship Express", but he's French. Might support the idea that griffons are simply non-natives.
- Jossed as of "Equestria Games". Not only are the griffons populous enough to field their own team for the games, they appear to have their own city-state within Equestria itself. Further, "The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone" makes it clear griffons can at least breed true, as evidenced by Gilda's griffon Grandpa Gruff.
- Confirmed insofar as changelings (shapeshifting, telekinesis, emotion draining), seaponies/hippogriffs (shapeshifting) and kirin (limited anger-fueled shapeshifting, telekinesis) go.
- If this means mythical or fictional, then jossed by the movie. They really do exist.
- Furthermore, unlike ponies, zebras are born with their cutie marks, and so know right away what their lot in life shall be.
- Zecora's trading card calls the design on her butt a cutie mark, so zebras possessing them is at least confirmed. Any differences between zebra and pony marks are so far unknown, however.
- Some nations are friendlier to Equestria than others, and would immediately rush to her aid if Princess Celestia or Princess Luna (or anypony, really) were to ever pull an instance of Gondor Calls for Aid, while others would be like the Soviet Union was to the United States, except open war is likely and will be conventional in that sense.
- Confirmed, by and large. The griffons have the city-state of Griffonstone, the yaks have Yakyakistan, and the seaponies/hippogriffs have their own kingdom on Mount Aris. The dragons don't seem to have an actual state per se, but they do have their own society and rulers.
- Or they'll be villains, ruled by a literal dragon emperor who may be Spike's father. They will have pony samurai and pony mecha!
- King Sombra had a Kirin-ish horn. Maybe that's where he hails from?
- In his case, no, in show canon he is (well, was) a perfectly normal unicorn.
- Confirmed in "Sounds of Silence", although they live to Equestria's south rather than its east.
- Confirmed that they exist; semi-confirmed that they're quite rare (at least, there only seems to be a single city-state of them far beyond Equestria); jossed that they're pony/griffon hybrids — they seem to breed true.
- I take this WMG assumes they are sentient.
- Of course, that's why I put it in this folder.
- "Filli Vanilli" shows a pair of Deer that are treated as pets and frankly just don't like sentient in the slightest.
- Of course, that's why I put it in this folder.
- "Fluttershy Leans In" includes both a deer and a giraffe among the animals in Doctor Fauna's care, and both are presented as pretty clearly being animals, so for those two species at least this has been jossed.
- Jossed in one instance. Season 5 introduces Griffonstone, the heart of the Griffon Kingdom and located on a high mountain.
- For instance, hardly anypony understands the pigs, because they only speak Latin.
It's clear that hippogriffs can and do give birth to hippogriffs — see Princess Skystar's/Silverstream's shared and all-hippogriff biological family. That being said, their past and origins are just as obscure as any of MLP's species. This theory, then, is that the very first first hippogriffs were pony/griffon hybrids like in the myths: these would have been clearer bird-in-front and horse-behind chimeras like mythological hippogriffs (or fanon hippogriffs like Silver Quill). These first-generation hybrids turned out to be fertile (like some hybrids are in real life, although this does usually require very closely related parent species). These hippogriffs were eventually able to establish a self-sustaining population, so that after a while more and more hippogriffs were born to hippogriff parents than to pony and griffon couples. As time passed, this also resulted in the pony and griffon features "blending", resulting in the less visibly chimeric, pale-colored, brightly crested and eared hippogriffs of the show's canon. They settled Mt. Aris, established their nation there, and the rest is history.
First-generation hippogriffs, looking like "classical" hippogriffs do, are still born from time to time, of course. There are issues with Fantastic Racism between them and non-hybrid hippogriffs, however — many (not all, but more than a few) "true" hippogriffs look down on the hybrids, seeing them as not "real" hippogriffs and treating them with a measure of contempt and condescension. There are also issues with cultural divides — the hybrid hippogriffs, obviously, are raised as part of their parents' pony and/or griffon cultures, and as such have little connection — starting out, at least — with the hippogriff culture that developed among the Mt. Aris hippogriffs over the centuries.
- Klugetown in the movie is inhabited by all sorts of anthropomorphic animals, including cats (Capper), parrots (the pirates), pigs, rodents, lizards, tortoises and fish, all of which are established to exist in non-sapient form in Equestria. Perhaps they are all the result of a freak magical experiment by an unicorn sorcerer which made them sapient and anthropomorphic, but then they got out of control of their original creator and turned their home into a Wretched Hive?
- Not just because Breezies were originated from G3, but also despite G3 having some dangers, it's much safer than any of My Little Pony's other incarnations (besides Tales but that world is too urban for Breezies).
- It's why Fluttershy is so timid.
- Fluttershy did feed fish to Ferrets.
- According to Word of God, ponies really like truffles, enough to provide free room & board. Cows aren't so lucky.
- Wait, aren't truffles just fungi?
- Yes. In RL, pigs are used to find truffles, because they're typically buried.
- The cows are there because the ponies use milk.
- Presumably the same thing can be said for the chickens, although that raises the question of whether ponies can consume eggs. They must use them in baking.
- In one episode, Pinkie gives Spike a quiche. Quiches need eggs, so yes, ponies eat eggs.
- Presumably they also raise chickens for feathers, since we see that they have pillows.
- And now it's been confirmed that ponies definitely eat eggs.
- Pigs are also raised for leather.
Pigs, however, whenever they are shown do not talk at all and act like pigs in the real world, except a bit more friendlier. This may have something to do with the omnivorous nature of pigs as the only hooved creatures that can survive purely on meat.
- Before anyone points it out, yes ponies have been shown to eat eggs. This mostly comes from the probable higher protein and nutrition requirements magical ponies need and they don't technically count was meet since the eggs are unfertilized.
- How do you explain the diamond dogs? They're as sapient (sentience is merely being conscious) as ponies, but they're dogs and thus, more carnivorous. Not to mention dragons. I don't see too much of a co-relation between a creature's diet and how sapient a creature is.
- I'm talking about animals WITH HOOVES. I even said so in the first sentence!
- Mountain Lion: Similar to Timber Wolves, only made of rock from mountains. They can be beaten like Antaeus.
- On a similar note, Snow Leopards made of animated snow with icicles for teeth and claws (pulling this from Rainbooms and Royalty).
- Dogwood: Domesticated Timberwolves.
- Flying Fox: Foxes with wings. Not much to say outside of that.
- Spider Wolves, or since wolves have been used already, Spider Monkeys.
- Shouldn't that be Wolf Spiders?
- Turtle Doves: Shelled birds.
- Bull Frogs: Big, horned toads.
- Tiger Beetle: Giant (for an insect; around the size of a Goliath beetle) beetles with tiger stripes and a nasty roar.
- Rock Lobsters: Great big lobsters made from animated stone, possibly found in an underwater kingdom.
- Catfish and Dogfish: The cat and dog equivalents of mermaids, possibly kept as pets by aquatic sapients.
- Crabapples: Crustacean planimal pests found in apple orchards.
- Snakebirds note : Serpentine, legless birds, sort of like a Feathered Serpent, just with more bird and less serpent.
- Sand Cats: Cats made of animated sand that inhabit desert areas. They attack by turning themselves into living sandstorms, or by ambush while lurking inside dunes.
- Fire ants: Aggressive ants with the ability to coat their bites and stings with flame — a flightless, fire-based version of flash bees, essentially. Prone to causing wildfires.
- Jossed by the 2017 movie. Seaponies exist, and they're an intelligent, civilized race.
- Donkeys and zebras.
- Ponies, griffons, diamond dogs and dragons.
- Hippos, cetaceans and sea serpents.
- Sheep, goats and cows.
- Pigs.
- ...it would?
- If this is canon, then the rock farm in Pinkie Pie's flashback would finally make sense. Maybe all mineral formations grow like plants. We've already seen that nature in Equestria doesn't work like it does in our world, after all.
- In Trixie's flashback in "Magic Duel" she is shown splitting a hollow rock on the rock farm, and the farmet then points her at a larger rock. Presumably they were hoping for gems in the rock like the one shown in Rarity's backstory.
- It could be that only unicorns can tell if there are gems inside a rock, and Trixie didn't know the spell or have any way to learn it.
- In light of there being an entire species — the dragons — that seems to subsist on an entirely or chiefly gem-based diet, it would make sense for gems and stones to be able to grow like plants. Dragons have been consistently shown as being big (and thus logically needing a lot of food to power such large bodies), numerous and quite capable and willing of eating a lot of gems in any one sitting. It's difficult to see how this could possibly work or even come about if gem supplies couldn't be replenished.
- Which raises the question: just how many corn-cakes did Pinkie eat?
- More than six.
- 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens.
- All the corn-cakes. All of them.
- All.
This theory also explains the fanmade Gloomy Town, the counterpart to Sunny Town. Why is it that they "don't know how to die"? Because they all have the talent of immortality - something which pretty much every sentient being has at some point dreamt of having.
- I think it would be a pretty big stretch for one of her roosters to have laid an egg.
- No offense, but doesn't a chicken egg hatched beneath a toad make a basilisk?
- No offense taken, but roosters are male. They don't lay eggs.
- That's the whole point. A rooster laying an egg would be EXTREMELY rare. Otherwise, cockatrice would be more common.
- Not really. A basilisk is born from a snake or toad egg hatched beneath a rooster. The reverse of a cockatrice basically.
- The basilisk and the cockatrice are the exact same thing, just with different names. It's like comparing a pegasus to a tulpar, except even more ridiculous since they stem from the same legends. And yes, the half-chicken thing you saw was what a basilisk is supposed to look like—Harry Potter sized it up for the same reason Jurassic Park sized up the velociraptors.
- There are actually a fair number of differences between them. For instance, cockatrices are often said to turn people to stone instead of killing them. Basilisks were described as "kings of serpents" as far back as the sixth century. The mere presence of a basilisk would kill the plants nearby, and it was so poisonous that Pliny said that if a man stabbed one with a spear, the poison would travel up the shafted and strike him dead on the spot. Basilisks have a long history of being depicted as snakes, or as many-legged reptiles, while cockatrices are depicted as (short version) dragons with chicken heads (although basilisks are described like that sometimes, too). They are often described as the same creature because the English translation of De proprietatibus rerum mistranslated 'basiliscus' as 'cockatrice'. They are similar, but distinctly separate, creatures.
- No offense, but doesn't a chicken egg hatched beneath a toad make a basilisk?
- Actually the eggs cockatrice hatch from are eggs that have no yolk, which were believed to be laid by roosters.
- The origin of cockatrices is not necessarily the same in Equestria. Since Fluttershy threatens the creature to tell its parents what it's been up to, this implies that there may be a naturally occurring cockatrice species which makes babies the good old-fashioned way.
- No, that is an adult sized cockatrice. A common predator of the cockatrice is the weasel. Somehow they are immune to the cockatrice's glace, which could be where Fluttershy learned the stare. If cockatrice were bigger, then that would make it all fall apart, unless you were to introduce Ichneumon, which would be a dragon sized weasel.
- In what world? Every legend I've read said that cockatrices/basilisks were merely afraid of weasels, not predated by them.
- It's been mentioned that Parasprites may be native to the Everfree forest, where they're the prey to just about everything in there. The Ursa Major alone could probably eat several hundred thousand in one night (that is, if they ate Parasprites). And so began a bizarre cycle: everything eats Parasprites, so they became explosive breeders to adapt.
- Why does it have to be phoenixes or why does the predator have to be immortal? One could imagine a creature like an Ursa Major eats the things like how whales eat krill. Heck, they could serve as the foundation for much of the predatory species in the Everfree.
This also explains how parasprites can exist unsupervised without exploding into plagues on a daily basis — no matter how fast they breed, the Everfree's hordes of predators can eat them just as quickly.
- Oh God Spike/Rarity's children!
- Discord is the son of Spike & Rarity... from the future, who traveled to the ancient past and was imprisoned for his mischief.
- Why does this make so much sense?
- No it doesn't. It makes absolutely no sense. Which is why it's perfect for Discord.
- It actually helps when you remember the Hedge Maze mind-warping. How did the Spirit of Chaos and Disharmony get to the other ponies? He made them think that everything they believed in was wrong (Truth only brings pain, Laughter hurts the person being laughed at, Loyalty always comes with a price). What did he do to warp Rarity's mind? He gave her EXACTLY WHAT SHE WANTED. Sure, it was an illusion, but he made her happy, never telling her that Generosity was bad, merely giving her a big heaping diamond. Perhaps he was giving a little mercy for his birth mother, instead of warping her mind, simply giving her what she wants and letting it play out?
- Makes perfect sense if he was raised by PINKIE PIE!!!! but never really learned any morals from her.
- Mind Screw!
- When he mentioned that he removed everypony's wings and horns to prevent cheating, he elbowed Applejack... Perhaps he was referring to the events of Fall Weather Friends, which he had heard the story of growing up!
- It also explains how he knows so much about the Mane Six.
- Discord is the son of Spike & Rarity... from the future, who traveled to the ancient past and was imprisoned for his mischief.
- (1) Pinkie was in amoral-trickster-goddess mode and concealing her powers in the most needlessly elaborate way possible.
- (2) They were a magic feather that she didn't know she didn't need.
- (3) Music helps her focus her powers. Usually just singing as she works is enough, but a mass mind control spell needs something more.
- How could they create chaos if everypony was frozen solid? I think Discord wouldn't like that.
- Alternatively alternatively, it happened the other way around. The chaos of the Windigos' rampage and the general confusion of a nation-wide exodus and resettlement were what first drew Discord's attention to that particular neck of the woods.
They can rebuild themselves after being smashed, and appear to be built out of random debris from the forest. Furthermore, three Timber Wolves can be rebuilt into a single creature. This suggests that they have no individual identity, and are just clumps of wood held together by some kind of animating force. That force, naturally, is whatever dark sentience the Everfree Forest possesses.
Their appearance raises more questions, as they do not seem to be natural beings and are certainly not flesh-and-blood ones. They seem instead to be animated masses of stars and the night sky. They almost certainly have a direct connection to the stars and constellations, then, but a specific link is up to guesswork. They may originate from stars that fell to earth, or may have been first created by powerful magic shaping them out of the essence of the night sky — perhaps they may even be connected to Princess Luna/Nightmare Moon.
- Scorpii: immense star scorpions, typically red in color; mostly found in southern Equestria and the Bone Dry Desert. Predators, but too large to really bother with pony-sized creatures.
- Cygni: gigantic swans, usually found around very large lakes.
- Cancri, Pisci and Cetoi: star-crabs, star-fish and star-whales, mostly taking the role of assorted sea monsters. Cetoi more closely resemble Monster Whales from medieval maps that any flesh-and-blood cetacean, and are the largest creatures in existence anywhere.
- Aquilae: eagles much larger than any roc, which roost on the highest mountain peaks.
- Leos: leonine creatures found rarely in the zebra homelands. They are the only star creatures to live in groups.
- Star creatures that resembles sapient races — such as the bovine Tauri, ovine Arietes, and Dracos — are themselves intelligent and are the rarest of all constellation creatures.
- Alternatively, humans are at a similarly advanced as ponykind, but the two species keep separate due to mutual racial tension. (Perhaps they've waged war on each other in the past, and the odd mixtures of technology and fairy-tale magic are inevitable cultural osmosis?)
- Or humans have a Medieval Europe type society, but were forced to migrate to warmer regions following the great blizzard.
- Or they are actually animalistic proto-cavemen, and some species with neither magic nor hands (zebras (humans did after all evolve in the same places zebras come from), maybe some outlying donkey or earth pony settlements, etc.) keep them around as mildly useful if difficult to train pack animals, like the Yahoos in Gulliver's Travels.
There, we have a reasonable, but non-scary, origin story.
- Or it's the other way around. Because that would be funny.
- The Cinemare Sins episode on "Secret of My Excess" states that a 20 carat ruby can fit a ring; and therefore the characters can fit in a cupped palm.
- This is scarily like a dream I had after reading Cupcakes (Sergeant Sprinkles) for the first time, that repeated and expanded on itself for several nights.
- Then that means the reason they called him a monster is because he's half human.
- If Iron Will is half Human, his father might have been Jordan Chase.
- Technically, griffins weren't the offspring of eagle-lion pairings in the original myths, just chimeric creatures (and they've been shown to be the same in the show by now). There's nothing much preventing a race of humanoid bulls from simply being a thing in the MLP 'verse.
- As of Equestria Girls, the first part of this is confirmed.
- 1. It could be Discord. He turned humans into ponies, gryphons, zebras and etc. Then he got bored and went away. Newly made species were left on their own and evolved into what we know today.
- 2. Some good deity could change humans into ponies to teach them a lesson and to prevent themselves from repeating past mistakes.
- 3. Humans did it to themselves by an accident or as a last attempt to save themselves and a planet. Either way results are quite nice.
- 4. One day our world crashed into a magic universe and magical fallout happened. Ponies and other sentient species are result of humanity's adaptation towards magic.
Post apocalyptic? Magic vs. technology interference?
- And Celestia is LordGenome? Fund it!