Here is all the theories for Miraculous Ladybug that have been Confirmed or Jossed after each airing.
Pre-Release Theories
- That or "Papillon", and then we're going to make Buso Renkin jokes.
- Yes and no. Le Papillon in French while in English and Korean dubs he is called Hawk Moth.
- Kind of confirmed. In Season 5, Hawk Moth takes the name of Monarch when using multiple Miraculous attained from the Season 4 finale.
- Yes and no. Le Papillon in French while in English and Korean dubs he is called Hawk Moth.
- Confirmed. The French language version of the show page gives his name as Félix.
- Aaand Jossed. Later information reveals his name to be Adrien.
- Apparently half jossed. Thomas Astruc calls the PV Cat Noir Félix, and the series Cat Noir Adrien. He seems to consider them different characters.
- Jossed. He doesn't do much better than the rest.
- Also in "The Collector", he has no reason to think Ladybug and Cat Noir suspect his identity unless he thinks Adrien is Cat Noir and he stole the book to show Ladybug. If this applies, then he likely suspects Ladybug's identity as well. Additionally, he says, apropos of nothing, he'll see them "very soon". When talking about how important his son is to him, he puts his hands on Cat Noir's shoulders despite looking at Ladybug.
- This does seem to be the case. Quite apart from the events of "Simon Says", in "The Collector", as mentioned above, Gabriel sees Adrien get into the safe without touching it (unless the camera takes pictures, not video), and that the only reason to him Adrien would steal the book is if Adrien is Cat Noir and taking the book to Ladybug. But there's more to it than that- Not only does Gabriel know the book makes him look suspicious, but his act against Adrien stealing it is to ground him and trap him in his room. Gabriel then akumatises himself and does something Gabriel would normally never do and knows an akuma might not do- he goes to capture Adrien in his book. He wouldn't look suspicious if he didn't- both Horrificator and Evillustrator abstained from hurting certain people. But he does go to Adrien and he's not surprised or worried, he's angry. Considering Gabriel is fully in control of himself as the Collector, why would he be angry unless his goal was to capture Adrien so that Cat Noir can't go help Ladybug? He of all people knows what a combo they make. And while Adrien would indeed be safe in the book, he'd also be safe if Gabriel simply went somewhere else entirely than the manor, like the Champs-Élysées but his goal was from the start to lure Ladybug and Cat Noir to the manor. It's why he tears apart the atelier. He's not throwing a tantrum, he's staging the room, based on how he acts throughout tearing it apart (impressively blasé for what he's doing). There's also how, like said above, he puts his hands on Cat Noir's shoulders when talking about how important Adrien is to him despite speaking to Ladybug. He's also the only one so far, I believe, to name Cat Noir first out of the duo. While this may be because he's looking at the one who came to talk to him, it's still a little odd, considering how most people look to Ladybug first, even if Cat Noir is nearest. Gabriel's actions throughout are just peculiar unless he suspects or outright knows who Cat Noir is. Marinette returning the book he suspects Ladybug has might signal to him that she is Ladybug.
- Up until "Gorizilla", he didn't actually know or suspect his son was Cat Noir, until he saw photos of Adrien's ring and Cat Noir's ring and noticed the similarities. Of course he later discarded this suspicion when he saw Adrien (who was really Wayhem in disguise) and Cat Noir at the same time.
"Despair Bear"
"Prime Queen"
"The Befana"
"Riposte"
- She also may be intended to evoke the image of Tentomushi and La Coccinelle, a French Ladybug long before Marinette who was a musketeer and used, naturally, a rapier in addition to the yo-yo. She actually appears in "La Befana", too. It's thoroughly unlikely she is related to both, but it's possible she's related to Tentomushi but evokes the image of La Coccinelle.
"Robostus"
- I don't think the subpages were saying that he was trying to sacrifice Max, the implication is that the magic may strike Max because he was closest.
- Then it won't work. It's not equivalent exchange if he doesn't care about Adrien as much as he cares about his wife.
"Gigantitan"
- Makes sense, Marinette is one of his first friends, as stated in Origins part 2, and he likely knows their friendship would be strained or damaged, so he keeps quiet.
"The Dark Owl"
- Jossed, as of "Glaciator".
"Glaciator"
"Sapotis"
- Basically jossed. While they remain two separate beings, they are akumatized together. The fused screenshot is a trick of the camera.
"Gorizilla"
- No
- Nope
"Troublemaker"
"Gagotor"
"Rossignoble"
"Frozer"
"Captain Hardrock"
"Style Queen"
"Queen Wasp"
"Malediktor"
Season Finale
- Well one of the promo images shows Ladybug, Carapace, Queen Bee and Rena Rouge but no Cat...
Post-Release Theories
- Confirmed in "Captain Hardrock".
- CONFIRMED! The pink kwami in the opening credits is indeed Hawk-Moth's Miraculous.
After he finds out his son is Cat Noir, Gabriel will decide he can use this in his favor, and will do his best to make his son miserable, taking away his school privileges, putting in more modeling gigs and activities. And when Adrien is unhappy what does he do to relieve the stress? Turn into Cat Noir! And that will be when the akuma gets him, turning him into Cat Blanc, then Gabriel will bribe his son (I do see Hawk moth treating Adrien like he did puppetmaster, being kinder and complimentary then he is with most of hic victims)He offers to stop all the gigs and activities he hates and perhaps even tells the now-insane Cat that he can keep Ladybug's civilian form for himself (after all, what is a lion without his lioness?) Perhaps even convincing him that defeating her will be the only way she will ever fall for him, And he will get his beloved mother out of the deal as well.
- Confirmed in "Cat Blanc", but it didn't end well for him... or the rest of the world.
- Partially confirmed. While Robostus didn't succeed, he tried to get the Mirculouses for himself and even attacked Hawk Moth when the latter tried to gain control.
- Over the course of multiple seasons, Lila sours on working for the man once known as Hawk Moth and turns against him.
- Confirmed and Jossed. Volpina is a Master of Illusion villain, but this scenario is not present.
- They also seem to have the same voice actor. Plus, his father's current design seems to show some similarites to Hawk Moth's earlier design in the 2d Ladybug PV. Being both men in white
- You are not the only one who feels this way.◊
- Sorry for the natter and not OT but do you have the original source and more fanart related to this?
- Here. It's not the original source -seems that's been terminated- but you can reblog from this at least.
- Sorry for the natter and not OT but do you have the original source and more fanart related to this?
- They also have very similar facial structures. Plus their personalities have definite similarities such as the fact that they both seem to like making others do their work.
- Possibly Jossed: Gabriel is seen scolding Adrien for attempting to go to school while Stone Heart is still running around.
- Then again the pendant that Hawk Moth has and seems to use to transform has a picture of a woman who seems to look remarkably like Adrien's Mother who has "mysteriously disappeared".
- "Jackady", implies more strongly than ever that Gabriel is Hawk Moth:
- Gabriel is paying so much attention to the Miraculous of both heroes. He even reaches for Ladybug's earrings at some point. When Cat Noir interrupts the exchange between him and Ladybug, he gets very irritated.
- He looks mysteriously back at a large picture of his wife before the next Hawk Moth scene and he asks Adrien about his ring, stating that he didn't remember him wearing one.
- When the Villain of the Week says that he is going to get Gabriel Agreste, Hawk Moth laments that "It's a risky plan, but inspired" implying that the villain's actions are endangering him somehow. When the villain manages to tear down Gabriel Agreste's door, Hawk Moth is angrier than usual and asks him what the hell he thinks he is doing.
- And then when the Villain of the Week catches him, he hypnotizes him into believing that he is a butterfly, a "Papillon", which is Hawk-Moth's French name. Seriously, the writers aren't even being subtle at this point.
- Probably the biggest is that there was no ending rant from Hawk Moth in the episode. Makes sense, since he was out of commission after Gabriel got captured and hypnotized. Either the animators want it to be obvious or it's a red herring playing off of the fans' theories to make a plot twist even more shocking.
- Possible Meaningful Name: The agreste is the French name for the Grayling butterfly.
- Counterpoint: Gabriel and Hawk Moth are often seen within minutes of each other ("The Bubbler," "Jackady," "Origins"), and the Agreste mansion is right by the Eiffel Tower (specifically, Adrien's bedroom window faces the base). When Hawk Moth releases an akuma, it always flies over a cityscape with the Eiffel Tower in the distance. Unless Hawk Moth's powers come with some sort of teleportation, it doesn't make sense logistically.
- If Volpina's illusion of Hawk Moth was accurate, teleportation is one of his powers.
- Guys, listen to the Hawk Moth's voice in Origins Part 1, before he transforms for the first time. It is the exact same voice as Gabriel Agreste. It is literally identical. Yeah, this theory has been confirmed.
- If Hawk Moth is indeed Gabriel, Master Wu will figure this out or at least suspect once Marinette tells him where she got the book he's been looking for.
- I think if you want to argue that he isn't because Hawk Moth's face doesn't match Gabriel's, the thing is that the silhouette we see of the civilian Hawk Moth has a different facial structure from Hawk Moth himself◊, but the silhouette of civilian Hawk Moth does look a great deal like Gabriel Agreste. There's probably a very good reason why Nooroo's mask covers the entire face save eyes and mouth, but none of the others we see do, including Lila's Volpina persona. For the changes to the eye colour, slight change to the skin, and lips, the things not covered by the mask, the same things happen to Ladybug and Cat Noir. Especially Cat Noir, who is noticeably more tan and whose eyes undergo a dramatic change. Marinette's eyes and hair both get darker as Ladybug. Also, you can make out a number of things about Hawk Moth's outfit- he wears red trousers and two-toned laced shoes, for instance. Sound familiar? Both Gabriel and Hawk Moth's civilian identity also sport a silver ring on the middle finger of their left hand, and both wear a collared shirt and a blazer, and both have something on their outfits that put buttons down their front. For Gabriel, it's a waistcoat, but we can't see what it is on Hawk Moth's civilian identity. Speaking of the left hand, while Hawk Moth might appear to be a lefty, that doesn't mean he isn't the apparently right-handed Gabriel. Nathaneal is right-handed but Evillustrator is left-handed. Civilian Hawk Moth and Gabriel also strike the same pose of having their hands behind them with their back arched. Their profiles are also the same- here's Gabriel's and here's the civilian Hawk Moth's. The biggest difference between the two is Gabriel wears glasses and a cravat, and those things don't appear to be on civilian Hawk Moth, but it's entirely possible he had neither of them on. The cravat because he doesn't need one if he's going to pin the Moth Brooch/Locket to his chest where a cravat would go, and people take off their glasses for a number of reasons. At the very least, this person looks, sounds, and dresses a lot like Gabriel Agreste before using the power of the Moth Miraculous. Keep in mind that butterflies and moths are symbols of transformation, so that applies to Hawk Moth.
- Spoilers ahead: if this leaked video is anything to go by, the most popular theory in the fandom is most likely jossed, since it seems highly unlikely that Hawk Moth can akumatize himself.
- Though, the fact that this clip and the one of Hawk Moth transforming were all told to be taken down has to mean something. Either it means there's more clues that Hawk Moth is Gabriel, or it's confirmed he isn't. After all, it makes sense for him to akumatise himself because 29 or more people have failed to even get their hands on a Miraculous. The only way this can possibly be jossed in that episode is if Hawk Moth is unmasked. It does seem unlikely, though, unless there's a trick to it. Word of God did say that nobody knew what was going to really happen, so until we see Hawk Moth transform or detransform face on, nothing can be for sure. For all we know, there's more to the Moth Locket than meets the eye. For all we know, the Collector we see is actually one of Volpina's illusions, since she is supposed to return.
- It's also worth noting that in this new Season 2 video, the Collector can clearly be seen standing in Hawk Moth's observation room, somewhere we've never seen any other character visit; and since another clip showed that the fight with the Collector will be happening at least in part inside the Agreste mansion, this theory is still actually looking pretty strong.
- Though, the fact that this clip and the one of Hawk Moth transforming were all told to be taken down has to mean something. Either it means there's more clues that Hawk Moth is Gabriel, or it's confirmed he isn't. After all, it makes sense for him to akumatise himself because 29 or more people have failed to even get their hands on a Miraculous. The only way this can possibly be jossed in that episode is if Hawk Moth is unmasked. It does seem unlikely, though, unless there's a trick to it. Word of God did say that nobody knew what was going to really happen, so until we see Hawk Moth transform or detransform face on, nothing can be for sure. For all we know, there's more to the Moth Locket than meets the eye. For all we know, the Collector we see is actually one of Volpina's illusions, since she is supposed to return.
- Another thing that is worth talking about is how Hawk Moth has had many times where he could take Cat Noir's ring, but hasn't. While it might seem like Bond Villain Stupidity, a normal show would have the akuma victim get the ring once and then lose it, allowing the status quo to stay, but Hawk Moth never gets his hands on the ring. This might be the show's way of preventing the overprotective Gabriel from seeing that his son is out protecting Paris. His scenes in "Copycat" and "Rogercop", the two episodes where he comes the closest to getting his Miraculous taken, are not framed with the same tension as Ladybug's are in "Antibug" (vs Vanisher) and "Volpina", where she comes closest to losing her Miraculous.
- Perhaps the most damning thing to Gabriel is that a recent advertisement in Brasil finally showed the Collector's akumatisation, where we see the akumatisation happens in Hawk Moth's lair and he's the one holding the Collector's book. The Collector is shown to not only be in Hawk Moth's lair, but where Hawk Moth always stands. This is as close to confirming this as the show can get without outright showing Gabriel transforming into Hawk Moth.
- The first episode of season 2 finally confirms that Gabriel is Hawk Moth, and that he has the ability to use his own powers on himself. Sort of. He has to formally give up his Miraculous (temporarily) in order to pull it off.
- Well... no, not exactly. There's nothing showing he HAS to give up his Miraculous to akumatise himself. Considering the context of the situation is guarding his identity, and having the Miraculous on him would raise eyebrows and Nooroo will talk him out of it, that could be the reason he removes it. Considering how the stated reason behind Marinette and Adrien being exempt from akumatisation is respectively their optimism and being used to disappointment, not their Miraculouses, he doesn't need to remove it. He chose to.
- Except that he was a prime suspect for being Hawk Moth after his book was recovered by Ladybug and he's only dropped as a suspect because he was akumatized. Master Fu himself, the most knowledgeable person on the Miraculous so far introduced in the series outside of Hawk Moth himself or the Kwami, pretty much outright states that his own akumatization means he can't be Hawk Moth. If self-akumatization while holding the Butterfly Miraculous was a realistic possibility, his gambit to throw suspicion off of himself would not have worked.
- Well... no, not exactly. There's nothing showing he HAS to give up his Miraculous to akumatise himself. Considering the context of the situation is guarding his identity, and having the Miraculous on him would raise eyebrows and Nooroo will talk him out of it, that could be the reason he removes it. Considering how the stated reason behind Marinette and Adrien being exempt from akumatisation is respectively their optimism and being used to disappointment, not their Miraculouses, he doesn't need to remove it. He chose to.
This will likely result in the Order loosening their grip on their practices and rejoining with the wider world. Also, they will possibly remain involved in the "Parisian Miraculous Crisis of '15" (from a distance) while allowing the heroes to maintain their autonomy. They'll probably become active and help during particular crises, think the Catalyst incident.
- Almost entirely confirmed. Su-Han takes the box back and tries to coerce the heroes into giving up their Miraculous, but comes around after realizing the two have a pretty good handle on things and that he's not actually helping the situation. However, because he's completely by-the-book, he does not use a Miraculous himself (it's forbidden). He also does not go back to the temple, but decides to keep an eye on the situation in Paris while trying to catch up on the modern era.
- Confirmed. This is what happens in "Confrontation", though Lila left the school on her own rather than get expelled.
- I would honestly call this confirmed, because we see Hawk Moth's civilian self in silhouette and he looks nothing like Hawk Moth.
- Confirmed, as Hawk Moth, according to the height chart, is taller than his civilian identity.
- Confirmed by leaks of Marinette as "Lady Noir" and Adrien as "Mister Bug", although the details are still unknown.
- Confirmed in "Reflekdoll", though it's not for shits that they exchange Miraculous- Plagg finds Reflekta!Marinette before Reflekta!Adrien, and she just takes the Miraculous rather than try to find Tikki. Tikki then finds Adrien searching for his ring and gives him the Ladybug earrings. They did however think the other couldn't possibly do what they do though.
- The two-parter bit is confirmed by the synopsis leak. The season finale is a two-parter called "Battle of the Miraculous". So far, the confirmed opponents are Mr. and Mrs. Bourgeois in part 1 and Chloé in part 2.
- Confirmed. Gabriel repairs it at the end of "Miracle Queen".
- As of Season 2's "Despair Bear", yes, this is absolutely correct, he is always banking on Chloé's nasty personality.
- This will lead to an uneasy Jerkass Has a Point moment before Sabrina calls her out by asking one simple question: "So how was it my fault you decided I was invisible and I got upset that my friend would reject my apology?". As Chloé sputters, trying to pass off blame, the rest of the class will be emboldened to call her out about mistreating them, some incidents causing akumas and others just causing her and ultimately someone, possibly Alya, will suggest that a club for people who were akumatized because of Chloé be formed and when Chloé wails that she'll sic her daddy on them, Adrien, for the first time, will properly call her out, telling her he's sick of her treating everyone who isn't him this way and that they can't be friends anymore. When she wails about why, he replies "Because my friend Chloé is better than this; it's a shame she's forgotten that."
- Confirmed in Zombizou. Chloé gets called out by Alix for it when she tampers with Marinette's birthday gift to Miss Bustier. And she gets called out again for causing another akumatization and getting the class in peril again, later by most of the class when Paris is under Zombizou's mind control.
- Confirmed.
- Technically confirmed. Adrien is a sentimonster with no real father.
- It's been announced that Mr. Pigeon will be the main villain of the fourth episode of season 4. The sixth episode shows that Ladybug will soon give out special charms to akuma victims to prevent them from getting akumatized again, and it makes sense that someone who gets akumatized as many times as he does would be the first to recieve one.
- Confirmed.
- However, it could also be psychological, as she showed no sign of her usual clumsiness when her memory got wiped in Oblivio.
- Some sort of anxiety or panic disorder would fit. Marinette is quite quick to jump to worst case scenarios and when surprised often jumps or flails her arms around as a result.
- Adoration in season 5 confirms her issues are at least partially psychological.
- After three hours of looking, I've deduced it might be somewhere in the 16th Arrondissement, based on it's location in relevance to the Eiffel Tower. Assuming Gabriel is Hawk Moth, Hawk Moth must have the power of teleportation like "Volpina" vaguely implies he does with Consummate Liar Volpina's illusions.
- Maybe there's a room underneath the atelier that he can use to go to his lair. It's worth noting he's not always shown transforming in the room (indeed it only happened twice that we know of), so we have no reason to suspect the lair is anywhere near the manor if Gabriel is Hawk Moth. I've suggested it elsewhere (but I thought I did on here, too) that it's in Gabriel's studio.
- Yes and no to all of the above. The lair isn't exactly directly under the atelier as in the initial guess, but the entrance is and it is indeed accessed via a trapdoor in the room, making the third part correct, an the middle one is as yet unconfirmed.
- The one in the middle is jossed now, as well.
- Yes and no to all of the above. The lair isn't exactly directly under the atelier as in the initial guess, but the entrance is and it is indeed accessed via a trapdoor in the room, making the third part correct, an the middle one is as yet unconfirmed.
- Confirmed, based on promo clips.
- Confirmed, "The Collector" and "Volpina" do indeed overlap.
- Confirmed. In "The Collector" Master Fu tells Marinette that there are secrets in the book that can unlock new powers for Ladybug and Cat Noir.
- Further supported in "Syren," when Master Fu reveals there are potions that grant new powers to Miraculous holders.
- And given even more support in "Mayura", when Hawk Moth indicates that with further training the heroes could hold their transformations even after using their powers.
- Essentially confirmed in "Timetagger" by Bunnyx.
- We do see that there could be a rooster and an ox, but the problem is we also see one that's definitely something like a deer and a lion. I'm talking about the opening of Origins, when Nooroo is talking and past Miraculous holders are being shown. So this might be a little off, or the deer and the lion are variants of other things in the Zodiac. If we use logic exhibited by the Pokemon fandom regarding the Fire starters, and go with "the thing that it vaguely looks like or shares a classification with", it's the Horse and the Tiger.
- As stated by the official Miraculous Ladybug Tumblr blog, there are "maaaany more" Miraculouses, so it's not impossible for the Miraculouses showcased in the theme song animatic, the beginning of "Ladybug and Cat Noir", and zodiac-themed Miraculouses to all exist. At the least, it would be weird for the Miraculous box to have Chinese symbols for zodiac animals decorating the outside of the box if they don't exist.
- On August 31, 2017, a promotional video confirmed that eleven of the twelve Chinese zodiac animals, the rabbit excluded, have Miraculouses based on them.
- Which begs the question of why only the Rabbit was excluded.
- While the Chinese Zodiac has the Rabbit as the 4th animal, the Vietnamese Zodiac replaces it with a cat instead. Just an observation.
- On August 31, 2017, a promotional video confirmed that eleven of the twelve Chinese zodiac animals, the rabbit excluded, have Miraculouses based on them.
- First, something goes spectacularly wrong. Perhaps using the Wish to call back Emilie opens the path for some other evil, perhaps he misphrases his wish, perhaps the price ends up being something more or other than what he expects, perhaps Emilie is actually a villain.
- Second, he succeeds at getting back his wife, but Adrien manages to put two and two together and now knows that his father is/was Hawk Moth.
- Third, he succeeds at getting back his wife, manages to concoct a cover story, and to all appearances has gotten away with it. Adrien is ecstatic to have his mother back, and we the audience groan at the further dramatic irony.
- Fourth, his own life turns out to be the price to have his wife back. She makes up a cover story, Cat Noir goes to the bakery to return Marinette's earrings and, when she asks how he got the Miraculouses back, he explains everything, including the fact that he's Adrien Agreste and his now late father was Hawk Moth. Marinette and Adrien will try to return the Miraculouses but Master Fu tells them to keep them because there'll be a new villain. Marinette and Adrien will finally become a couple after months getting over the emotional trauma.
- Fifth, the wish will create an Alternate Timeline where Emilie was never rendered in a coma by the Peacock Miraculous, but Gabriel was and she became the Hawk Moth of that timeline. It is likely that Alex was protected from the change with the Bunny Miraculous and thus she is able to change things back to the way they were.
- Jossed: It's just a lucky bracelet. The green Miraculous and its owner have been revealed in Part 1 of Origins.
- Jossed.
- Alternately, her Akuma's effect will be to make Chloé gentle, kind, and considerate. Makes no sense, but it'd be funny.
- Unfortunately, both jossed; Chloé becomes the Akuma Antibug.
- Alternately, her Akuma's effect will be to make Chloé gentle, kind, and considerate. Makes no sense, but it'd be funny.
- Jossed: It represents a turtle
- Jossed.
- Jossed: He knows who Ivan is during the second origins episode.
- Jossed. Her official last name is Rossi.
- Jossed, the Bad Santa in the Christmas Episode is a local Santa Claus, not Marinette's dad.
- Jossed. We don't see anything like that.
- Er... Peacock Girl. It's a thing for a reason. Plus, with the reveal of Mayura, who at the very least is wearing a dress, this guess is likely jossed, unless Mayura is male and wearing a dress or does not consider themselves either gender (or considers themselves both). Either way, the Peacock Brooch can produce a dress in the usual peacock colouring.
- Jossed, as Mayura is female. Makes sense- this is the Peacock Miraculous, not the Peafowl.
- If that's true, Nooroo's revolt will take place during a Near-Villain Victory moment.
- Word of God states that Kwamis MUST obey their masters, whether they want to or not.
- Must they obey the letter or the spirit?
- Nope, for there were one many Guardians.
- Definitely not the case, as "The Collector" reveals.
- Jossed, a recent promo video shows he gets the Turtle Bracelet.
- Might be jossed, if "The Collector" is the true first episode of the season.
- Jossed for real; "The Collector" is set after "Volpina" and features a different akuma victim.
- NOPE. He is.
- Very unlikely, considering Gabriel's akumatised form is The Collecctor.
- Jossed, as Hawk Moth is not an akuma.
- He's Master Fu's mistake. He used his powers for evil until his time's Ladybug defeated him or Plagg revolted once he ran out of stinky cheese. Now he wants to find out the current Cat Noir's identity so he can reclaim the ring.
- Astruc has mentioned several times that he has since lost all interest in using Félix, calling him too cliché a character and generally favoring Adrien.
- He once stated point-blank that Félix will NEVER appear (emphasis his.) ...So of course, Félix did go onto appear (...which makes this theory Jossed, as there's no sign of him being a miraculous wielder, past or present.)
Mostly making this guess because he voiced another antisocial student character named Felix in Fire Emblem: Three Houses, so he'd be a good fit.
- Jossed. He shares the same voice actor as Adrien due to being almost identical to him.
In "Simon Says" and "Volpina", it is made pretty clear that Gabriel knows about the miraculouses, possessing an ancient book about the miraculouses, possibly possessing the peacock miraculous, recognizing the cat miraculous on Adrien's finger in its powered-down state, etc.
This is most revealing in the Christmas special, where he spends much of his time staring at the portrait of his missing wife, then being the first Christmas he has without her. When he is told that his son has gone missing, he goes to great lengths to find Adrien and bring him home, calling the police and contacting all of his school mates. Meanwhile, Hawk Moth creates a supervillain that just happens to be involved with Adrien somehow and does not see any problem. If Gabriel was fully aware of his Hawk Moth-ways, he probably would hold-off his evil schemes and focus all of his energy on finding Adrien.
It is clear that one of the few things that he loves more than anything is his son, and when he saw Adrien's ring, he was shocked to see it. If Gabriel was Hawk Moth in full awareness, then someone like Gabriel would try and confiscate it from Adrien directly under some kind of ruse without ricking harm to his son, yet it isn't ever brought up and Hawk Moth does his usual "create a supervillain to draw them out" plan as always. In "Simon Says", the villain he creates desires revenge against Gabriel for humiliating him. Hawk Moth believes it to be "risky", but he goes along with it with no clear sense of worry for his own safety. Hawk Moth and Gabriel are never seen actively doing anything independent of each other, Gabriel by himself during the Hawk Moth's scenes. Because of this, I believe that while they both share knowledge on common things, it is possible that the mental split causes the two to act on with no awareness of each other, one blacking out as the other takes over.
- It actually makes sense for him not to confiscate Adriens ring, as it will just lead to Adrien searching his father's room/office/study/misc. private locations for the ring. And if the combined power of Ladybug and Cat Noir can bring people back from the dead, why would Gabriel need to worry about his son dying to one of the akuma if it means he gets the power he needs?
- It may be possible that Gabriel is at least partially aware of this theorized other side. It seems like he never leaves his house of his own will. (When judging a derby-making competition, he does via Skype) This may be a tactic to limit what kind of damage this split personality could do. If Gabriel is Hawk Moth through the other self, then Hawk Moth's lair may be more along the lines of a prison- and why Hawk Moth never joins the battles himself. It would also explain why Gabriel avoids spending time with Adrien; He hopes to hide this worser half from his son.
- She inherited her ladybug earrings from her grandmother, but her grandfather hasn't been mentioned yet.
- His symbol is a Butterfly of Death and Rebirth. He's gone a little crazy after the death of his wife. He wants to steal Ladybug's earrings, and with their Good Luck powers and his own powers of Rebirth, he wants to resurrect his dead wife, and have both of them be 'reborn' together. (Bonus tragedy if he doesn't realize Ladybug is his own granddaughter.)
- Origins has jossed the "inherited from grandmother" aspect of this theory.
- And the rival hides his desire to get revenge on Gabriel for the disappearance of his love. He's perfectly fine with removing Gabriel from the picture (possibly even trading him for his wife) and keeping Adrien around but has no qualms about eliminating the boy if he gets in the way. Bonus shock value if this former rival is someone Adrien considers an Honorary Uncle.
- If Gabriel is aware of his former rival's feelings towards him (but not his supervillain activities), the extra security is to make sure that Adrien is never alone with his "uncle" long enough for things to go south.
- Jossed. Nathalie becomes Mayura and Emilie used to be that miraculous' holder.
While it can't be Chloé's father (the events of Rogercop clearly show them in different locations during the same period of time), who's to say she doesn't have a creepy uncle? Or even an estranged older brother?
- It is heavily implied he is Hawk Moth (he does, after all, note that it's "risky" for Simon Says to come after Gabriel), but maybe those heavy hints are a bit of a Red Herring. He does know about the Miraculous, because he has the Peacock one and that book, so him being interested in the ring and earrings are irrelevant. Further, the place that's implied to be where he keeps his akuma (behind the portrait of Adrien's mother) is not a room at all- it's a safe, where he keeps the book Adrien steals and Marinette ends up with, and the Peacock pin. So that may explain his interest in the earrings and the ring. Considering they have the exact same voices, it's possible Hawk Moth is actually Gabriel's twin brother, who's mostly completely identical, but ever-so-slightly different in a few of his facial features. It's also possible that the poor lighting in the room is why his skin and eyes appear to lighten, and why his face shape seems off. It is a very pale, cold light. Also, even if the transformation does change those features, Ladybug's not the only one whose eyes change; Cat Noir's eyes change pretty obviously (gaining cat pupils), though I personally thought most of the change was the mask's night vision function adding a green hue to every part of his eye. Supposing this is correct, then maybe Gabriel's wife was the Peacock one, and Gabriel did research to find out if he could use a Miraculous, to protect his wife from her duties, or else he began to research them as a result of her death and learning the Miraculous indirectly led to hear death (if not both things- he's researching it for revenge and to protect his son). I originally thought he was Hawk Moth, but I think it's equally likely Hawk Moth is Gabriel's twin brother, and the allusions to Gabriel being it are just misleading.
Meanwhile, the loss devastated Gabriel, causing him to hang up the brooch and completely changing his personality. Shortly, however, he was forced into a final fight, to protect Adrien from a "dark Miraculous"; during the course of this fight, he realised who Hawk Moth really was. At the end, Hawk found that "he" couldn't finish Gabriel off, and merely left; Gabriel, after coming out of shock, decided to do everything he could to protect his son. He distanced himself in hopes that Hawk wouldn't see his son as his weak point on the chance that "he" figured out who the peacock Miraculous was, and set up all those defenses as a backup measure.
Considering this, the climactic battle will involve Gabriel coming out of retirement as the peacock Miraculous, and teaming up with Ladybug & Noir against Hawk. In the end, Ladybug will use her Lucky Charm... and, to her surprise, get a picture of the Agreste family. Gabriel will finally put two and two together, and the three of them will find a way to restore Hawk's memories; this will involve both Gabriel and Adrien revealing their identities (and Marinette revealing hers, either by being awkward around Adrien, or by telling him after the battle), and Hawk eventually regaining her memories. Marinette will use her World-Healing Wave on Hawk, removing the corruption and turning her back into the butterfly Miraculous.
[This ties into the similar theory below, that the Agreste parents were a Miraculous Battle Couple before Emilie disappeared.]
Spoilers from Loveater/Heart Hunter below. You've been warned!
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This ties in with a theory posted above, but even if that theory is wrong, I think Marinette's opening narration about loss was a Bait-and-Switch - it seemed like it was about losing Adrien, but instead will be about losing Kagami. I'm thinking Heroic Sacrifice - I mean, she's the only one beside the main characters whose Miraculous isn't in Hawk Moth's hands...
Also, Word of God stated that Season 4 with show who will win and lose in the "Adrienette vs. Lukanette" ship. Notice whose name isn't part of either Portmanteau Couple Name?
- And Jossed. I misread the hints.
- The specifics are mostly wrong, but the guess itself is correct.
- Jossed. Félix is the first to discover Hawk Moth's identity in Season 4 - though Ladybug is the first person to suspect Gabriel Agreste.
- Jossed. As she only kept getting worse since that moment, she naturally wasn't.
- Jossed, as far as we know only Ladybug, Cat Noir, Hawk Moth and Mayura remember anything. It is very likely that nothing will happen.
- It seems more likely that the inverse is true, the concept of the Butterfly Miraculous was the creation of temporary Miraculous.
- Jossed, especially if one considers the rings that most of the Miraculous are reforged into to be new Miraculous.
- Jossed. Colt (Félix's father) isn't Gabriel's twin, instead he created Félix with the Peacock Miraculous using his jealousy towards Gabriel's "perfect" son, that's why they look identical.
- Since Félix and Adrien appear to be the same age, and Emilie only "disappeared" a year ago, the affair would have to be years ago.
- Jossed. They look the same cause they're both sentihumans, but they were created by different people (Adrien by his mom Emilie and Félix by his father Colt).
- Jossed, but it seems to be happening in Season 4.
What’s to the noted is that when children from a foreign country move and switch schools, they are held back a year due to a variety of factors such as a language barrier. This could be why Zoé is in Chloé’s class since she’d be held back.
- Jossed. "Adoration" confirms that Zoé's a grade lower than Marinette and the rest of her classmates, which makes her canonically an year younger than Chloé
- Jossed.
- Unlikely- Gabriel gets akumatised into the Collector sometime after learning Adrien stole the Miraculous book, and it seems Marinette has reached the conclusion that Adrien is Hawk Moth, not Gabriel. It's a bit unlikely they'd have her completely misunderstand twice, though not impossible, and we have no evidence that the Collector is the only thing he can akuamtise into.
- Jossed by Word of God, but oddly enforced in the show, as akumas never seem interested in Marinette no matter how angry or jealous she gets. But going under "jossed" because that's what Word of God says.
- Jossed, he's Hawk Moth.
- THIS!
- The only part wrong with this is the fact that, as Origins shows, Nooroo does not want to be used for evil, but has no choice but to obey Hawk Moth. Otherwise, good theory.
- Tying into this is the second Miraculous that Gabriel keeps in his safe. Perhaps he used to use that one while Battle Couple-ing with his wife, then respecced as Hawk Moth because that powerset could be better applied to villainy? Think about it, the male fashion designer with the peacock Miraculous is pretty damn fitting.
- I don't think even the broad topic of this WMG is right. Wayzz and Master Fu imply that the Moth Miraculous has been missing for a very long time, long enough they think it's been "lost forever". It seems unlikely that Mrs Agreste would have used it in the past year if that's the case.
- "The Collector" officially kills this one.
- Jossed, as Gabriel IS Hawk Moth. In fact, the whole episode is about him trying to derail suspicion.
- Well, that seems unlikely considering it's always in the same spot every episode.
- Unless it's parked.
- Then what's the point of it being in a blimp? Then it just becomes a fancy room with a giant balloon on top of it. Might as well be at a swanky car dealership. And a blimp is really, really conspicuous, especially if it's parked from at least September to June ("Origins" starts on 3 September, "Volpina"'s earliest possible date is 5 June based on date markers and continuity in previous episodes). It seems impractical and unlikely.
- Jossed, as it really is under Gabriel's house. The Tower was just put in because they were putting it in every outdoor shot.
- Unless it's parked.
- Jossed There are some clues that Adrien might have had some suspicions, like the dramatic reveal of her face, or how Adrien notices a ring that is almost the same as his miraculous but he never ctually suspects her of being ladybug
- He was also present when she was de-evilized, and at that point in the series he still doesn't think it's possible for Miraculous holders to be akumatized (which he cites as evidence that his dad can't be Hawk Moth) - he's technically wrong there, but he's still seen Kagami and Ladybug in the same place.
- Kagami is Japanese, and Marinette is Chinese.
- (oh geez, don't tell me I've turned into Chloé...) Yeah, that would rule out her being their kid; she could still be a descendant of theirs if, somewhere down the line, one of their kids or descendants married into a Japanese family. Super embarrassed that didn't occur to me though, gee whiz.
- Too late. I think it's possible Kagami could be descended from Tentomushi, a former Ladybug from Japan.
- ^Beat me to it.
- (oh geez, don't tell me I've turned into Chloé...) Yeah, that would rule out her being their kid; she could still be a descendant of theirs if, somewhere down the line, one of their kids or descendants married into a Japanese family. Super embarrassed that didn't occur to me though, gee whiz.
- Winner!
- * Jossed, or at least, there will be a threat of it for an episode, but the status quo means this is unlikely to happen.
- Jossed, they actually break up just before Adrien and Kagami, albeit more amicably.
- Jossed, as Félix ends up falling in love with Kagami and is now on his path to redemption.
- Alya seems like the most likely choice, considering how much she and Ladybug are interacting via Alya's blog. Considering that Alya will also be getting a Miraculous in Season 2, they might even end up being mutual Secret Keepers.
- Jossed.
- While that's a sweet idea, it'd be easy to guess, so unlikely something Gabriel would pick. It's not a secret he cares about his son. Relating to Adrien, it could be the day Adrien made it big as a model, or the day he learned his wife was with child. The latter is something that would be very hard to guess and that only he might know.
- Jossed.
- Partially jossed. It was explored but during a Christmas Episode where Adrien runs away and thinks his father won't care. It has nothing to do with a missed show or an akuma attack.
This is likely to mean that Season 4 Chloé will become a more active and willful antagonist in a similar vein as Lila (perhaps even having the two of them becoming allies under Hawk Moth's direct orders). However, whereas Lila is a high-functioning sociopath, Chloé is a Spoiled Brat capable of being better but has simply fallen off the wagon. Whether or not Hawk Moth and Lila knows this or have complete faith in Chloé's worse nature is up for debate, but Chloé can be a serious wild-card that can either help cause the right kind of chaos that Hawk Moth can use or make her a Spanner in the Works that can make a carefully crafted Evil Plan fall apart due to her habit of doing before thinking.
With this it is likely that she will eventually develop a conscious, seeing the lengths that the other villains will go to and realize that she just doesn't have the stomach for it. With this in mind, she will try to find ways of regaining the hero's trust and will ultimately be the Deus ex Machina that finally takes down Hawk Moth. Perhaps Hawk Moth gives her the Bee Miraculous after stealing it back and then she paralyzes him when his back it turned, unmasking him for all to see. Or maybe she happens upon Ladybug as she transforms back into Marinette (without Marinette knowing of course) and decides to keep it to herself, an astonishing sign that her Character Development hasn't completely left on account of the fact that Chloé sucks at keeping secrets.
- Jossed. Chloé was willing to go to all the lengths Gabriel and Lila were pushing her to without any ounce of guilt or remorse. Towards the end of S5 she ends up leaving Paris in disgrace.
- At least one character will compare it to Batman: The Animated Series episode "The Cape and Cowl Conspiracy".
- Jossed. That's not how it plays out.
- If it happens, Alya will become Majestia instead of resuming her Lady Wifi form.
- Technically Jossed. He does obtain both toward the end of season 5, but this is not the end of the series, nor technically even the end of that season.
- Jossed. Sabrina breaks her friendship with Chloé only a season later after getting the Dog Miraculous. Also her getting the Dog Miraculous was completely unrelated to her father.