- I mean, THINK ABOUT IT. In XIII-2, the Arbiter of Time said that after the end of time, a great battle with the heroes and gods of history would occur and that Bhunivelze would be the final boss. It was also said that the people trapped in the coliseum would stay there until the day of reckoning(pretty much when time was destroyed), at which point they would be freed so they could join the battle between Mwynn and Bhunivelze.
- CONFIRMED. Bhunivelze is the bad guy all along and the final boss.
- It can't just be a coincidence that both titles have the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY, and this wouldn't be the first time that 2 Numbered titles lead into each other. One Example being that the people from Spira(the world in Final Fantasy X) migrate to Gaia, the world that Final Fantasy VII takes place in.
- During the game, Lightning and the player will see flashes from the many possible futures the world is going towards:
- a world where an evil emperor rules over all and only a few brave rebels oppose him.
- a world where war is waged for shining crystals and a dark knight seeks redemption.
- a world where mankind's hunger for power makes people hunt magical beings, while the forbidden child of the two worlds gives her all to save both.
- a world slowly sucked dry by a greedy corporation, with only an improbable crew of heroes trying to save it.
- a world threatened by a giant violent abomination, while a priestess ventures in a holy pilgrimage to defeat it.
- In the end, Chaos, which is a sentient entity, will incarnate in a physical form, for Lightning to defeat. Her world and time itself saved, she will be about to deliver the final blow, but the creature will escape. Dying and scared, Chaos will try to run as far as it can from Lightning...traveling millennia in the future.
And, by pure chance, it will stumble on the outskirts of a kingdom named Cornelia, near a dying knight named Garland.
And the story will come full circle.- As of now the 16th game has been announced so this is Jossed
- Turned out to be a Defied Trope. Lightning was planning to become the new Goddess of Death after slaying Bhunivelze, but deep down inside, she truly didn't want to. Things worked out for her as it turned out Caius and the countless dead Yeuls were more than willing to take the job.
- He's no longer a kid, she was there for him when he needed someone for support, and GODDAMNIT I want some form of a definitively happy ending. Preferably with shipping. And BABIES.
- Nope, that won't happen. Hope, for reasons currently unknown, has regressed back to his 14 year old self, and even though he still has the mind of his older self, is still psyically 7 years younger than her.
- Just because he's in his younger body doesn't mean that they can't be together
- Aside from the general reaction outside of Japan if the game had the adult Lightning start a relationship with the 14 year old Hope - the press would have a field day, and non-gamers would know Final Fantasy as the game that glamorizes pedophilia.
- Nope, that won't happen. Hope, for reasons currently unknown, has regressed back to his 14 year old self, and even though he still has the mind of his older self, is still psyically 7 years younger than her.
- Actually it might still happen, it has been mentioned that Adult!Hope will show up at one point, so they might very well hit it off then, and that gets around the pedophilia... though then we have to deal with people calling Husband Husbandry(whether it is or not), or at the very least Jail Bait Wait. This is all of course provided they don't hook hope up with Vanille, which I personally find much more likely, and has already had a bit of teasing.
- Jossed, to an extent. No one officially ends up with anyone, but there's a lot of Ship Tease for Hope/Lightning and Fang/Vanille. And Noel/Yuel.
- Just think about it, the developers have stated that this isn't really part of the main series like XIII-2 was, which is also why Lightning is the only playable character and the introduction of a different battle system, as well as other massive changes in the game. Plus, given that Final Fantasy XIII is the flagship game of the Fabula Nova Crystallis series, wouldn't it make sense that they continue making sequels for it while waiting for the Type-0 sequel and Versus XIII?
- JOSSED. Toriyama has confirmed this is the LAST game in the Lightning Saga, meaning, its the FINAL, Final Fantasy 13 game. He said the reason that its called Lightning Returns, and not XIII-3, is because this game shows "The Rebirth of Lightning" in that she's different now, and has transcended humanity, unlike in previous games. Its not because he's planning on making another FF game that's actually called XIII-3. Lightning Returns IS FF XIII-3, just it doesn't have that name.
- Pretty unlikely now that Versus XIII has been retooled into Final Fantasy XV. Not altogether impossible, mind you, but unlikely.
- I don't know, you could be wrong. I mean FF X connects to VII, as the Ultimanium for X shows that the people from Spira migrate to Gaia. And they're still part of the same series(Fabula Nova Crystallis) and have the exact same mythology. For all we know, the new world Bhunivelze wants Lightning to bring souls too to escape the world infected by Chaos, is the world that Noctis and his friends live in, in Final Fantasy XV.
- It will NOT be the end of the L'Cie's stories, rather, based on the theme of XIII in this game, it will lead-in to certain portions of another long-anticipated sequel to one of Square's series.
- JOSSED. The FF characters in KH are completely different and not connected to their original personas in their original games. KH takes place is an alternate universe from the FF series.
- Destroying all fal'Cie and restoring the timeline at the cost of her life (though, with enough time remaining, a secret ending will show Hope discovering that she is still alive and embarking on a quest to find her).
- Merging with the remains of Etro and becoming the new fal'Cie Overmind to restore the timeline.
- Transforming all of both humans and fal'Cie into a new form of l'Cie unburdened by a focus and immune to becoming Ci'eth, who will then save the timeline.
- Refusing to choose and being destroyed along with the universe when time runs out. However, thanks to Hope scattering time capsules that would survive the cataclysm earlier in the game, the humans of the next cycle of Creation can prepare and destroy fal'Cie without the whole Cocoon business ever taking place.
In all endings, however, Lighting will technically die and be Together in Death with Serah, so the devs can continue to claim that their games have happy endings.
- JOSSED to some degree. Square specifically said, although you won't be able to see all the cutscenes in one playthrough, meaning there will be different choices, there will still only be ONE ENDING. Not to mention, due to becoming the Savior, Lightning can actually save Serah's soul and have her reborn into the new world, meaning Serah can return to the world of the living without Lightning having to die.
- CONFIRMED — Noel has now become the Shadow Hunter, and is a vigilante, and fights Lightning. First because he thinks she's an imposter, and then second, because a prophecy says that a hero is destined to defeat "The Savior" and Noel believes he is that hero. Other main characters such as Fang and Snow will also return.
- Caius is confirmed to be returning as well, along with Yeul. Apparently, he wants to die, but cannot for some reason. So Yeul wants Lightning to save his soul, since she's the savior. This prompts Light to find Caius and fight him for his soul.
- Just after the end of XIII, everyone (including Fang and Vanille) is thawed out of crystal stasis, reunited with loved ones, and lives happily ever after. Lightning (and maybe Serah) are the only ones who remember the events of XIII-2 and Lightning Returns.
- Just before the events of XIII (say, a month or so). Lightning can remember the events of all three games and learns from her mistakes by approving of Serah and Snow's marriage, thus keeping the former from becoming a l'Cie and setting the plot of the trilogy in motion. For bonus happy ending points, Fang and Vanille are revived from stasis as normal but neither retain their l'Cie brands. They integrate into Cocoon society and by sheer happenstance become friends with the other protagonists.
In either case, an after-credits scene shows Noel, Caius, and Yeul living peacefully with the rest of human civilization 700 years in the future.
- I could definitely see the first happening, after all, its right at the end of XIII that the timeline started getting all screwy in the first place, but I doubt they would go the route of the second.
- Eh, jossed.
- Yeul does say that Serah is the same. Maybe that extends to more than just the visions.
- And Serah did have Seer powers, like Yeul. New incarnations of Yeul is born whenever one dies, so this probably applies with Serah as well.
- The problem with this though, is that after the time crash, no one can be born, and even if Serah was reincarnated right before the time crash, her reincarnation wouldn't have aged at all and would've remained an infant up to when Lightning returns. But that doesn't mean this theory can't be true. Her reincarnation could be unnatural...
- Maybe Lumina is really bent on messing with Lightning, so she must've absorbed Serah's soul or something to gain her appearance. However, the soul still wants to care about her sister, so the two parts fight with each other like Mulitple Personality Disorder.
- CONFIRMED. Lumina is actually Lightning's vulnerable side, which was created after Bhunivelze found Lightning and purged it, using the Chaos to create a physical form. However, it also purged Serah's soul, which was resting in Lighting's body after their last meeting, in which Lumina became Serah's safeguard from the Chaos. In order to stop Lightning, Bhunivelze used this replica of Serah as Lumina, who was a vessel to "save all" in Nova Chrysalia. During the final battle, when Lightning is about to sacrifice herself to stop the god, Lumina appears and revealed her true origins, convincing her "sister" to accept her vulnerabilities. When that happened, Lumina becomes apart of Lightning again, allowing Serah to be among the freed souls.
- CONFIRMED in the latest trailer. So far only for Snow though, as he wants to see Serah again, who is dead.
- CONFIRMED... sort of. Hope isn't dead, but his soul is in Bhunivelze's possession and Bhunivelze himself is using Hope's body as a vessel to watch over Lightning doing the task he gives her.
- There's a hole in your theory. Hope is back to his 14 year old self, in XIII-2 he was 24, not 27, so he only lost 10 years of life.
- No. Hope is 27 at the end of XIII-2: 24 in 10/1X AF, then three years later created the artificial Fal'Cie and entered the time capsule, essentially jumping forward 387 years to 4XX AF, then another 100 years to 500 AF. What is screwy, however, is that because Alyssa's paradox is fixed, she wouldn't have been with him at any point by the ending of XIII-2. Hope probably won't remember her at all any more unless Noel told him about things somewhere in the last 500 years.
- Oh yeah, i forgot about that. You're right, he lost 13 years of his life. But the thing is, The Fal'cie was destroyed due to Hope seeing Serah curse him out for creating it, so that created 4XX AF, and that happened BEFORE Alyssa's paradox was fixed and she was removed from the timeline, so its not all that screwy.
- There's a hole in your theory. Hope is back to his 14 year old self, in XIII-2 he was 24, not 27, so he only lost 10 years of life.
- Outfits from every leading Final Fantasy character in existence, including Noctis (as a means to promote XV), which doesn't seem too far off from being possible (outside of time constraints/budget) considering Lightning gets Cloud's iconic SOLDIER 1st Class uniform and Buster Sword, and Yuna's robes.
- Liara's armour from Mass Effect 3. Noel and Serah got the N7 armour, so why not give a character voiced by Ali Hillis the outfit of another character voiced by Ali Hillis from the same game.
- Because there's no Mass Effect game to cross-promote?
- Defied Trope at the end of the game.
- This is pretty much what happens at the end.
- Hope wasn't blessed by Etro more than once, like Sazh, Noel and Mog were. Nor does he have a Fal'Cie that can ahem" Jimmy the locks open" for him like Snow did. He is incapable of using the Historia Crux to time travel.
- A simpler breakdown of this, if my interpretation is correct, is:
- When the timeline is disturbed thanks to Etro's intervention, Hope gets lost in time like Sazh and Dahj do. He finds himself in Nova Chrysallia, with equipment ready for his use to study and understand what is going on. From it he makes a guess about what is going on and discovers that, by the time he is 24, he will have travelled back to aide Noel and Serah. To prevent a paradox, he keeps his silence...
- To add to the original guess, the stable time loop could be then used by Hope to find ways to break the cycle. Through the many re-experiences, Hope can then properly aide Lightning in her quest and hopefully fix the world. This would explain why completing quests given by Hope will give Lightning more days, effectively delaying the end.
- When the timeline is disturbed thanks to Etro's intervention, Hope gets lost in time like Sazh and Dahj do. He finds himself in Nova Chrysallia, with equipment ready for his use to study and understand what is going on. From it he makes a guess about what is going on and discovers that, by the time he is 24, he will have travelled back to aide Noel and Serah. To prevent a paradox, he keeps his silence...
- Except that, the only reason the world is given more days, is because Lightning gathers Eradia that Hope gives to the world tree to heal it, and the World tree is what's keeping the World from being destroyed before time is up. Not because Hope is using a time loop to break the cycle.
- JOSSED. In the latest interview about Lightning Returns, it turns out that Hope is still the same Hope from XIII-2, as he remembers what happened in XIII and XIII-2, he just can't remember how he felt back then. And he also went missing 169 years prior to the start of Lightning Returns.
- Can't be, Hope was the only person who's timeline wasn't messed up and was the age he's suppose to be.
- Jossed.
Final Fantasy XIII deals mainly with the first two stages and a little with the third. Final Fanasy XIII-2 deals mainly with the third stage and ends in the fourth. Final Fantasy: Lightning Returns appears to be about Lightning pulling the universe as a whole out of the fourth stage and into the fifth and final stage, acceptance.
1) Denial - Lightning denies her sister is a L'Cie. Vanille denies her past as a L'Cie. The people of Cocoon as a whole deny there is anything wrong for the first bit of the game, allowing the murder of thousands with nary a protest.
2) Rage/Anger - Lightning spends a good half of the game in a blinding rage, mowing down anyone in her way. Hope has murderous rage for Snow. Sazh is angry at Vanille for being a Pulse L'Cie. The people of Cocoon begin rioting, terrified and angry that their way of life is being threatened.
3) Bargaining - All the L'Cie try to change their fates, from running around Pulse trying to find answers, to trying to fulfill their Focus with an "exact words" scenario (they destroy Cocoon, but they save it as well). Serah and Noel spend all of XIII-2 hopping up and down the timeline, trying to avert the grim future that Noel is from and to find Lightning. Hope and the people of Pulse work as a whole to rebuild Cocoon and save everyone from its eventual destruction. Alyssa bargains with Caius to avoid being Retgonned from the timeline. Everyone seems to believe if they just work hard enough, death and catastrophe can be avoided.
4) Despair - Lightning crystalizes herself at the end of XIII-2 when she realizes all timelines end with the death of the goddess. The entire universe and all time is destroyed, leading all who survived into a never ending now they can never escape from. Early previews indicate this has unhinged both Noel and Snow, and that they will fight against Lightning in Lightning Returns.
5) Acceptance- In Lightning Returns it appears Lightning's role will be to help people find this. The universe is being reborn in 13 days and it is her role to guide people to it, and to make sure the new universe born is a good one. In the end, the L'Cie from XIII really couldn't fight fate. The world is ending, and even we the players will have to accept it.
If true, then hopefully this is what finally brings Noel back over to Lightning's side again. I can't imagine he'd be happy with Caius screwing things over ''again'.
- Actually, the Lightning Returns Ultimania artbook for LR: FFXIII reveals that there's a good chance Hope has gone back to an adult in the ending of the game, as his young self here was something created by Bhunivelze, who has come down with a bad case of "dead" or "in crystal sleep."
- The above WMG is actually half-correct. It has been noted on Tumblr that if anyone seems to be opposed to shipping Light & Hope, it's not the game's production crew but rather the English localization team. Some significant changes were made to the final boss's dialogue that alter his motivations as well as the atmosphere of the battle (one of the most major changes was that he had Hope's voice for the entire fight in Japanese, but the English version used a second voice actor when he stopped using Hope's body), and there were also some changes in the dialogue between Hope & Lightning in the ending, which was more intimate & personal in Japanese (one major change being his words after her Despair Event Horizon changing from "I heard your voice" in Japanese to "We heard you" in English.