- Not to mention that the power-suit wearing Luthor Superman briefly grills doesn't match up with the corporate shark Luthor Byrne would introduce months later. The recent re-addition of various pieces of pre-Crisis continuity (Superman's involvement in the Legion, the Toyman) muddle the matter, though.
- Elements of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse were firm enough in their existence that, when it was brought back in Infinite Crisis briefly, the entire thing ballooned outwards again, only to come crashing back into 52 Universes. Therefore, New Earth is filled with the echoes of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse, possibly explaining such odd returns as Zur En Ahhr.
- Believe it or not, at least some of this was explained in-continuity: All-Star Squadron and The Legend of Wonder Woman, the latter a four-issue miniseries meant to wrap up the E-1 Wonder Woman's story since only the E-2 version really featured in the Crisis, both depicted characters — Mekanique and Aphrodite — holding back the full effects of the timeline revision for their own purposes. So Crisis #10-12 and a few other comics probably fit into the period before those two characters "let go" and the wholesale revision wave hits. (This may also explain why, despite COIE #10-12 indicating that all the heroes at the Dawn of Time would recall the multiverse, no one does when the reboots of Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. start hitting.)
- Also, a statue of Supergirl (in honor of her sacrifice during the Crisis) was seen in the Legion of Super-Heroes comics.
- Elements of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse were firm enough in their existence that, when it was brought back in Infinite Crisis briefly, the entire thing ballooned outwards again, only to come crashing back into 52 Universes. Therefore, New Earth is filled with the echoes of the Pre-Crisis Multiverse, possibly explaining such odd returns as Zur En Ahhr.
- Justice takes place in this Earth. The Marvel Family apparently have always lived on this Earth, and debuted during the early years of the superheroes. As shown in History of the DC Universe #2.
- Wait, the Earth of the post-Crisis DCU, up until Infinite Crisis, is secretly Earth-S?
- No, I meant that the pre-Crisis Marvel Family characters were still canon before they were reintroduced in the Shazam!: The New Beginning mini-series and The Power of Shazam graphic novel.
- Wait, the Earth of the post-Crisis DCU, up until Infinite Crisis, is secretly Earth-S?
- The OP is right, though he/she seems to forget that Superman's introduction in Man of Steel took place before CoIE in the timeline, though yes, he was less powerful and there was no Supergirl.
- The last time we see Superman, he and Power Girl are walking toward the Fortress of Solitude, and their posture suggests that they're "close" (i.e. inter-dimensional cousins)
- The last time we see Lex Luthor—granted, there was still an issue or two to go—we see Lex Luthor in prison being questioned by Batman & Robin, something that would be hard to believe in the post-Crisis universe.
- The only time Lex was sent to prison was for public endangerment in The Man of Steel #4; with that being the start of him and Superman begin enemies.
- Speaking of Batman & Robin, the last time we see them, Mary Marvel is with them, and the caption suggests they're all thinking about people who died (in B&R's case, this must include the Earth-2 Robin and Huntress).
- According to the Crisis on Infinite Earths: The Compendium, this Earth is Earth-85.
- Either way, it's possible he had a latent metagene activated during the multiversal crossing.
- Some of these were made accessible again after Infinite Crisis, at the end of 52; what the hyperevolved Mr. Mind was eating away at wasn't time, but interdimensional space.
- No, these were other alternate versions of the originals. Mr. Mind didn't "eat parts" of these universes, just cycled through several alternates including some that looked "partially eaten". The ones we ended up with were the last ones Mind jumped into before skipping to another section of the continuum entirely, and these wound up gettng slotted into the 52 "empty" spots connected directly to The DCU; but all the other worlds are still out there isolated from the current DCU, including all the Elseworlds.
- The Superman from the original Earth-2 did said "they're still out there" before he died.
- This would explain Grant Morrison's Animal Man series, despite the fact that Earth-Prime was supposedly destroyed/never existed due to the Crisis.
- This supports my theory of Earth-Prime being the center of all things DC/Marvel/Whatever. Because the word Prime implies significance, and if Earth-P is the real world, that means that we're the center of creation from which the Multiverse sprouted. The 52 can't exist without us.
- Earth-Prime is the baseline, reference universe. All other universes are, in part, defined by how they are different from that universe. That is why Like Reality, Unless Noted is in effect.
- Possibly, since from their point-of-view, the Earth-2 that appeared post-Infinite Crisis lost access to the multiverse following the Crisis.
- Partially confirmed but also Jossed in the five part Justince League Incarnate mini-series and Doomsday Clock. The original multiverse still exists but was rendered a lifeless wasteland of death and carnage by the Empty Hand, which was retconned as being the "Great Darkness" summoned during Alan Moore's "American Gothic" saga and which was behind the events of Crisis On Infinite Earths. The post-Crisis DC Universe effectively created a new multiverse and the old multiverse declared "Multiverse 2", with the old multiverse being a lifeless hellscape of darkness and ruins. HOWEVER, Doctor Manhattan in Doomsday Clock confirmed that there does exist a parallel earth, presumably one of the unmarked/unlabeled Earths from Multiversity's guidebook of the New 52 multiverse, where the Crisis never happened and the OG Earth 1 still exists called Earth 1985. And it's implied in Infinity Frontier #6, that Pariah has vanished Wally to this Earth, though the pressence of Black Wally West indicates that it may not be some sort of lotus trap given that Black Wally was created by Doctor Manhattan as part of his scheme to fuck with the lives of the DC heroes by tampering with the lives and histories of the DC heroes for the evilulz.
- This proves that the DC and Marvel multiverses are actually one-and-the-same, and that it's only the barriers in the WMG above that shield the worlds connected to The DCU from the Marvel multiverse proper.
- This may be keep the Bleed contained to the 52, or the Anti-Monitor. Or Batman.
- Marvel & DCU were merged once in the mid 1990s (Amalgam Universe) back when DCU had only one universe and the two were only kept apart by the being Access. 616 was thus Always an available multiverse.
- The Zombie Sentry from Marvel Zombies actually was Superman (traveling into the afterlife is a trick he pulls off in DC One Million), from one of the 52. He broke through the barriers of reality and attacked Ash Williams in heaven, and then you know where it goes from there.
- Barry Allen's brief appearance in Quasar was due to his final race in the original Crisis sending him through the Multiverse. Eventually, he found his way back to the Infinite Earths to finish his job.
- Alternatively, the Anti-Monitor could only perceive or affect a finite number, but refused to accept this.
- Mathematically, there's nothing that says you can't destroy an infinite number. If infinite universes can be created, they can be destroyed. You just need an infinite destructive force. And if you can do that, you can also make a finite out of an infinite— cut a middle section out of an infinite line and destroy the rest, and boom, instant finite line.
- Infinity minus infinity is undefined - the operation doesn't work ( http://www.philforhumanity.com/Infinity_Minus_Infinity.html ). Infinite isn't properly speaking a number in the same sense that 42 is a number - you can't subtract from it.
- Except we're not using regular subtraction anyway, and the above troper just defined how we go about getting a finite number from an infinite number, so that's all alright then.
- If you start from a single point and draw a line to infinity, it is an infinite distance. Therefore, to cut an infinite line in half and destroy the rest still leaves you with an infinite line.
- Mathematically, there's nothing that says you can't destroy an infinite number. If infinite universes can be created, they can be destroyed. You just need an infinite destructive force. And if you can do that, you can also make a finite out of an infinite— cut a middle section out of an infinite line and destroy the rest, and boom, instant finite line.
- I'm going to prove you all wrong and tell you straight up: Canonically, there were only 3000 universes. Infinite just sounded like a better title.
- Apparently, Superman can't beat Superman and Superman.
- Actually when put into context, it makes more sense: (Silver Age) Super(boy-Prime) can beat both (Golden Age) Superman and (Modern Age) Superman. While the G.A. Supes is really strong (post-Power Creep, Power Seep) and M.A. Supes is... well, Modern Age Supes strong, Prime maintains Silver Age power levels where he can literally move planets with his bare hands, has almost no weaknesses and a very black-and-white morality view. The only reason he was beaten in Infinite Crisis was that the two Supermen destroyed his armor and exposed him to red sun radiation.
- Or the Anti-Monitor in Sinestro Corps War was the original, and still serves as the personification of the Continuity Snarl. He worked in conjunction with Superboy-Prime's punching of the Source Wall to cause all the current continuity errors since just before Infinite Crisis to the moment became the Black Lantern Power Battery.
The DCU, the Marvel Universe, Disney Animated Canon, Pixar's films and the various Final Fantasy worlds were all originally part of the same set of infinite earths that made up the multiverse before it was destroyed by the Anti-Moniter. We know this since we have seen that Marvel and DC universes are able to crossover occasionally, the minor Mythology Gags in the Pixar movies, Disney owning Marvel and The Princess and the Frog showing a combined cosmology as that of the The Lion King (1994) indicating a form of shared verses.
The Antimoniter claimed to have destroyed the multiverse but since it was made up from an infinite number of Earths that would be functionally impossible to destroy a infinite number of anything. What really occured was that he destroyed trillions of worlds but simply seperated and sealed most worlds off from each other. In this process some beings were removed from their original worlds and placed into new ones often with no memory of their true home, this happened to the Justice Society of America who were stranded on New Earth away from their original Earth-1 and to most of the Final Fantasy characters as their worlds were among those lost in the Crisis.
The Unversed came into being from the souls of those who lost their worlds and lives in the Crisis. The destroyed Antimoniter left behind a lingering darkness across the multiverse that when used in Xenoheart's experiments formed the heartless and left behind nobodies.
Due to his concern of the possibility of the Heartless reforming the Antimoniter and the potential dangers of the Nobodies and Unversed the moniter created the Access force as seen in Marvel vs. DC and the Amalgalm universe. This did not go as planned as he was diverted from his purpose of watching over the Heartless and Nobodies by the interference of Dr. Strangefate from the Amalgalm Universe. So when that minor crisis was adverted he stripped Access of his power and reforged the power into the Keyblades and Gummivessels which he gifted upon the Land of Departure, a world of his own creation where he deposited those with worthy hearts who had lost worlds but survived the Crisis. This is where the series begins.
- Unlikely. Even if that only happened in the DC universe, the resulting impact would have undoubtedly shattered the real world as well.
- pretty sure the second part's canon.
But what i'm alluding to is that maybe on Earth-Prime (here) there are others like Clark, like a guy named Barry Allen, a track star, the self proclaimed "fastest man alive" who claims to zoom past like red and yellow lightning, then there's Karen Kent, who's Clark's cousin and a cheerleader who admires Supergirl/Powergirl. Next Bruce Wayne, an angsty orphan with quite the will left by his parents. Harold Jordan, a high school senior whose most precious possession is his Emerald class ring and wants to sign up for the air force. Then Diana Prince, a bombshell feminist that was homeschooled in an all female community. Finally, you have Victor Stone A man with a bunch of prosthetics, but they're so high end, everyone calls him Cyborg.
- This may be confirmed in said fight with the Black Lanterns, Prime puts on a black ring. It says "Clark Kent of Earth-Prime: DIE!" As seen when it latched on to Superman, it gives the actual birth name of the individual-if Superboy Prime is really an alternate Superman, it would say "Kal-El of Earth-Prime" or "Kal-El of Krypton-Prime."
- This would go to explain his overpoweredness
- Superboy-Prime's powers are on the level of the Silver Age Superboy. Prime is most familiar to this Superboy, and since he thinks he is Superboy/Superman he copies his abilities.
- Not all of them though, like the stupid ones that the writers came up on the spot. Prime only ever acknowledged the ones that made sense.
- The red sun only has an effect because Prime thinks he's a Kryptonian, and all Kryptonians besides the Golden Age Superman are weakened by it.
- No Kryptonite weakness? There is no Krypton, and even if there was Superboy-Prime is human, so something that only affects Kryptonians won't bother him. Element Lad didn't whip up Kryptonite to hurt him, but an actual radioactive material that exists in our world(plutonium, maybe). It just happened to look like kryptonite.
- Being unaffected by magic? Earth-Prime's laws of physics make magic impossible, thus Prime can No-Sell magical attacks.
- Superboy-Prime's powers are on the level of the Silver Age Superboy. Prime is most familiar to this Superboy, and since he thinks he is Superboy/Superman he copies his abilities.
There are villain counterparts. Lex Luthor is a rival Jerkass nerd who bullied Superboy-Prime, Thadeus Sinestro is a police lieutenant or chief that's hard on Hal and Brainiac is an misanthropic librarian. Black Manta is Arthur's rival in the program and Mary's former boyfriend, of whom she is with child. Slade Wilson is secretly an assassin, not as skilled and well equipped as in the comics though, with his public identity looking after his darling Rose. The Joker is a clown that scared the hell out of Bruce when he was a kid. As for the various Lantern Corps: The Sinestro Corps are Sinestro's cop pals whom are very extreme in their duties, the Green Lantern Corps the US Airforce and other hopefuls that want to enlist too, the Blue Lanterns are a church that Hal's apprehensive to go to, the Indigo Tribe are a group/cult of junkies that rely on drugs to be compassionate, the Star Sapphires are a gang of "enlightened" hookers, the Red Lanterns are a group of vigilantes and are thus always clashing with Sinestro's guys, and Larfleeze is one of those Corrupt Corporate Executives devastating the country with his 'corps' being his many, many , "business partners" that he stepped on to get on top,
And the Black Lanterns are...actually, they're the same as the ones in The DCU. When Zombie Alex Jr brought Prime's victims to our universe, he sent a bunch of black rings so that, if Nekron is defeated, the Black Lanterns can make a comeback here. As for why it hasn't happened, the rings are still weak from being cut off from fiction-land. Until you get a hold of a "toy ring." It's keeping an eye on you, and wait until you die/it finds a source of significant power. And then...
- Since Darkseid used that same logic to realize the existence of the Anti-Life Equation, this seems likely
- If that's the case, the Anti-Monitor must be incredibly shitty at its job. Hawkman, Legion of Superheroes, Donna Troy, and countless others, it just made things far worse.
- That's why it was trying to to destroy the multiverse-with nothing existing of DC Comics, there's no continuity to mess up.
- And now they're all back again. If this is the case, the Anti-Monitor is terrible at his job.
- Perhaps Relic is even earlier than that: he's from the original timeline aka what would've happened had Krona not messed with history. Without that there was no reason to create the Green Lantern Corps, and thus the emotional spectrum could've gone much differently. Perhaps different enough to create a light-based society, leading to Relic.