Be sure to see Toy Story 1
and Toy Story 3
The Japanese Toy Museum
Does anyone else find it strange that a Japanese museum toy owner would pay at least
several hundreds of thousands of dollars to import vintage dolls and paraphernalia from a largely American centric show about western puppets into their museum. Yes, toy museums do exist and yes vintage toys do sell a lot
of money, but why set it in Japan of all places? Especially
considering the line "[Woody's Roundup] will be the crown jewel of the museum
". Don't they have their own anime and manga to create museums centered around?
Would Buzz and Jessie count as a crossover pairing?
In the second movie, why is Woody such a rare toy that finding one unboxed and in played with condition makes a collector leap with joy? If Woody was the hero of his show it stands to reason lots more Woodies would have been made and purchased than Jessies, Bullseyes and Prospectors.
- If more Woodies were purchased, wouldn't that mean more of them would have been battered and bashed by loads more kids thus sending most of them to junkyards?
- Technically, yes, but it would also mean that there would be some that have been kept boxed.
- A lot fewer — remember, if Woody was the popular one, that means that a lot less of them were going to be sold. And in the 1950s, collectors who purchased toys and kept them in the box was less common.
- This. To add more, maybe Woody dolls were worth less when they didn't have the hat. When there is an old toy, especially a rare one, that has some accessory, it's harder to find the toy with the accessory since children play with them and lose things. In this case, Woody's hat. To quote Toy Story 2, "What's a cowboy without his hat?". For the collection to be truly "complete", the toys would probably have to have their accessories.
- This would also explain why Stinky Pete (blatantly the least popular character in the show) is still mint-in-the-box, having not been sold when the show was popular. Remember, his backstory was that he spent years on a store shelf since children didn't want a Stinky Pete doll.
- How many of the old 70's and 80's toys have you been able to find in second hand stores or on ebay? It's the same principle; the line's so old that finding any figure from it is valuable. As a member of the Transformers fandom and having experience with looking for different figures of the line, I can tell you with much certainty that finding an original 1980's mint-in-box Optimus Prime or Grimlock figure is really hard to do, and when you do find them, they're a lot of expensive, money that I'm sure Big Al - with his poorly-paying job - wouldn't have the money for.
- Al is hardly poorly paid. He owns the store and lives in a penthouse appartment.
- Owning a small toy store does not make a man rich, he'd make only a little more money that average stockers. If he was an important CEO or something, maybe, but his office was located inside the store. If he was making real money, he wouldn't dress up in stupid costumes to attract customers.
- Well, his shop doesn't seem small (going by Toy Story 2, it looks roughly the same size as a Toys R Us), and he can afford to advertise on TV (I think the advert implied there were multiple Al's Toy Barns, but it's been a while since I saw the film so I may be mistaken). As for the chicken suit... well, maybe he's secretly a furry?
- A chicken suit makes him a feathery, not a furry.
- In the first movie, we get the line in the Buzz Lightyear ad, "available in all Al's Toy Barn outlets", but since the second film shows a map to the nearest one and is personally run by Al, I'm not sure if that's a subtle retcon or not.
- The chicken suit was because he was doing a commercial as Al of Al's Toy Barn, and either didn't think of or didn't want to use an actor to play him. He just happens to be The Danza, thanks to using his own name for the toy barn lines. As for him running that particular outlet, I figured that was the central outlet, or was built around the original store or near Al's home and Al didn't want to move to another town, or some other personal or professional reason that Al had for having his office and filming the commercial at that particular outlet.
- Maybe he used to have multiple stores, but all but one has since closed down.
- Here's what happened: Al wasn't that rich, he was borrowing money for his apartment. The Japan toy deal was to make him rich, but when Jessie, Woody, Bullseye, and the Prospector disappeared, the deal fell through, and the whole thing fell down like a deck of cards.
- He probably owns a fairly small local franchise, maybe a couple of local outlets at most; enough to set him up reasonably comfortably in a nice apartment, but probably not much more than that. He's certainly not wealthy enough to be able to afford to pay the millions that a fifty-sixty year old toy in reasonably mint condition would no doubt cost.
- Given the look of the show and the mentions of Sputnik (and how that resulted in sci-fi toys overtaking cowboy toys), it's pretty heavily implied that Woody's Roundup and related merchandise originates from the 1950s, probably 1957 at latest. In that case, if you think it's hard finding even a popular toy in reasonably good condition originating twenty or thirty-odd years ago, try locating one from fifty or sixty-odd years ago. Not easy, and at that age they're practically going from 'mere' toy-collecting and getting into 'genuine antiquities', so the price will skyrocket even further. Woody being the 'star' of the show will make him even more expensive at that; he's the popular one, the one all the collectors want (remember, the museum Al's negotiating the sale of his collection to is only interested if Woody's part of the collection). And of course, loads will have been originally sold to kids who've destroyed them, thrown them away, lost them, etc. Under those conditions, happening across one in the 50c box in a local yard sale is a genuine find. It's like discovering someone is flogging off a mint / near-mint copy of Action Comics #1 for $1.00 on eBay.
- It's only difficult to find old toys if you're insistent on them being in good condition. Realistically, an obsessive collector like Al would already have multiple Woodys in varying states of repair, for use for spare parts if nothing else. Given the evident popularity of Woody's Roundup in the 50s, the sheer amount of good-quality merchandise that Al has already collected and the huge number of Woody dolls that would logically have been made, the film's implication that he's SUCH a rare toy that Andy's Woody is the first and only one that Al has ever found isn't believable. Sure, no reason why he can't be the one in the best overall condition, but the ONLY one? Nah. In fact, Pixar could have had some fun with a scene involving Andy's Woody meeting all the shabby, worn-out Woodys Al had found over the years. Or maybe that would have been too macabre.
- The point isn't that Woody is the only Woody doll in existence — it's that the chance of finding a Woody doll in near-mint condition (like our Woody) without paying through the nose for the privilege is, by now, probably quite difficult; if it wasn't, the museum wouldn't be willing to pay a hefty price to acquire Al's collection (which they're only interested in if it comes with Woody, implying that Woody dolls aren't exactly plentiful compared to the others). And Al probably is insistent on them being in reasonably good condition — the mint or near-mint state of all the other toys in his collection would suggest so. Remember, he doesn't want the toys for their collectable or sentimental value, he wants them for their resale value, and their resale value is significantly diminished if they're damaged or have had to be restored from scratch; if only because it would cost more for Al personally to restore them (buying even cheap dolls for spare parts, original materials for restoration, etc would still get pricey over time), meaning he would be more out-of-pocket and ultimately get less from the sale after covering his costs. The museum would also probably pay more for a (near-)mint original than a restoration job cobbled together from bits of battered old originals, no matter how good the restoration was. It's also easier for him to pass off Woody as a mint-original if all that needs doing is a bit of touching up and sowing a popped seam back on than if he has to cobble together a Woody doll from other dolls in varying conditions and states of repair.
- It still doesn't sit right; if Woody's Roundup was as popular as it clearly must have been to generate so much merch, Woody dolls would be the single easiest item to track down. It would be the non-doll merchandise that would be rarer than Woody dolls in *any* condition, and yet Al has amassed a pretty comprehensive mint collection. A real-life analogue would be Six Million Dollar Man merchandise; Steve Austin dolls are readily available in all conditions, but a lot of the ancillary toys are much harder to track down and consequently worth more than the dolls.
- Maybe, but we still have to look at the time thing as well; okay, they'd produce more Woody dolls because more people would want them, but Woody's still from the 1950s — that twenty years longer than a Steve Austin doll has had to keep in good condition for. Plus, I'm not familiar in the least with them but I'm imagining that Steve Austin dolls would use more plastics and the like, where Woody's clearly wood and fabric — two materials which decay a lot quicker than plastics and are also a lot less durable during play, meaning more of them would have gotten damaged and destroyed and consequently chucked out, seeing as toy collecting and restoring wasn't nearly as big in the 1950s as it would later become. Ergo, we're still looking at a situation where Woody dolls are still in extremely short supply. Granted, this also means the ancillary toys would probably be even harder to find, but I think at some point we do have to chalk this up as an Acceptable Break from Reality requiring Willing Suspension of Disbelief to enable the plot.
- Woody's played-with condition didn't matter to Al because he was going to employ the toy restorer/forger to put him back in shape so he could be sold to Japan as "mint condition." (Jessie was also played with and was probably restored by the same man).
- On a somewhat related note, how did Andy have all those Woody items in the first movie (a bedspread, posters, and other stuff) without him and his mother knowing it's possibly worth quite a bit of money? Did his mom just have them for over thirty years or something and decided to break them out and finally use them in 1995 (or whenever the movie's timeline is)? Or is she just insanely rich and buys very expensive items for her kid and lives in the suburbs as a cheaper option (as opposed to a huge mansion on a hill or something)?
- Word of God states that Woody is a hand-me-down from Andy's Dad to Andy — as such, it's not hard to suggest that the posters etc were also initially Andy's dad's. Plus, if I recall correctly, most of the western-themed stuff in Andy's bedroom apart from Woody is not so much specifically Woody's Roundup merchandise as it is generic western / cowboy-themed stuff.
- This sort of verges into WMG territory, but it is possible that in-universe, Woody's Roundup experienced a resurgence of popularity that led to the creation of new merchandise. Even if it was just popular with older folks for the nostalgia appeal, Andy's mom still could've found some Woody merchandise.
- Andy's Mom refuses to sell Woody because he's an "old family toy," yet Andy is the only owner Woody talks about. He probably has to have belonged to Andy's Dad at some point, but it's never really acknowledged that Woody is 40 or so years old and he almost certainly belonged to someone before Andy. This is a pretty typical retcon problem.
What is it about Buzz Lightyear of Star Command
that leads action figures of its characters to have the "Pinocchio delusion?" It's clear from the second movie that it's not a quirk of Andy's buzz or even restricted to Buzz Lightyear figures, but other new toys don't seem to have it, with the exception of the Pizza Planet aliens. Is it related to Buzz Lightyears not being conscious of their surroundings ("in hypersleep") in the toy store (with the exception of display models), unlike Stinky Pete, the Barbies, the Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots, and so forth?
- On that note, where exactly did the display Buzz think he was? Where would a large group of Space Rangers be kept in hypersleep, and why would it be on the same planet as Zurg's apparent base?
- Perhaps it's because he came from a toy-line with a back story, which would act like memories. The other toys, except for Woody, who may have grown out of it due to his old age, probably wouldn't have stories to go with them. Dinosaurs, slinky dogs, Mr. Potatohead, and so on don't have stories, so they didn't have any illusions about what they are, while The Army Men did have a vague "soldiers fighting in a war" story, so they kept a lot of the militant trappings.
- That would make sense with most, but Mr Potato Head did have a story since he appeared in the Potato Head Kids TV series
- Although he was already well-established as a toy long before that TV series came around, and the toys lasted long after that show entered the dustbin of history; presumably his 'default' personality and 'backstory' (or lack thereof) overrides this somewhat.
- What about Bo Peep? She is based on a nursery rhyme character but it is unknown if she every considered herself to be the "real" Bo Peep.
- Bo Peep isn't strictly speaking a toy. She's a figurine. My grandmother has dozens of figurines that have appearances similar to storybook characters, but have generic names, like 'princess'. It could be that she calls herself (or Andy calls her) Bo Peep, after the nursery rhyme, but her actual name is something like 'sheperdess'.
- I had always been under the impression that Buzz's delusion was caused by being such an advanced toy. That perhaps the more similar he was to the real deal the more he thought he WAS the real deal. As for the little aliens, I think their issue was more caused be being stuck in a glass room with a mysterious claw for their entire existence. The Allegory of the Cave comes to mind.
- Barbie is how everyone thinks Barbie would be. Lotso was the perfectly loyal friend everybody pictures their teddy bear being only it becomes deconstructed. Woody had many of the same morals as the Woody from Woody's roundup that's why a fictional character was able to remind him of his morals in the movie. Toys can change over time but they all basically start out with the personality one would expect from them. Lets look at what we'd expect from Buzz. Buzz from Buzz Lightyear of Star Command in our universe borders on delusional about his Space Ranger status. When Warp Dakmatter actually points out Buzz borders on insane with how seriously he takes his job, Buzz dismisses/confirms this. Apairently Buzz actually believes Zurg is behind every cat stuck up in a tree. In the show we can tell Buzz wouldn't know what to do if he weren't a space ranger. It feels like we might actually be missing the first half of the series where Buzz would have been even more insane. Basically, Buzz is delusional because he's based in someone delusional.
If new toys think that they're the real character, how come Woody had never heard of Woody's Roundup?
- I always figured that that was specific to Buzz Lightyears. The rest of the toys all treated him like he was crazy for thinking he was the real Buzz.
- Maybe Roundup was off the air for quite a while, or Woody never got access to a TV during its airing times.
- Toys don't come alive until their box is opened, it's possible Woody's box wasn't opened until after the show had gone off the air.
- That's completely inaccurate. The Prospector was very much alive and knew the whole story despite never leaving his box until the end of the movie (he even has brighter colors than Woody and Jesse to show he hasn't been worn out). The Buzz from the first movie was viewed as a surprise and an exception. They made the other Buzz's like that to bring back deluded Buzz because that's what made him fun in the first movie. Zurg is also deluded to get the "I am your father" joke. Could be inherent to the entire line, could be what happens if they're 'woken up' in the wrong way (maybe Buzz was fresh from the factory when Andy's mom bought him, possibly by pre-ordering, as Tour Guide Barbie says there've been incidents in the past where not enough product was ordered and Andy's friends did seem very impressed he got a Buzz).
- But Stinky Pete had been leaving his box since the night Al spilled his cheese puffs. He must have gained sentience before opening (he sat on a dime-store shelf for an awful long time, as he says), or already had it when he was fully assembled. The Buzz Lightyear delusion could be fulfilling an assignment given to them by Star Command to scour the residence for signs of Zurg. Some toys are just more in-character than others, either because they've never been with the less myopic toys or haven't been surrounded by the pop culture surrounding them. It could even be both; someone as jaded as the Prospector standing next to a fresh Buzz Lightyear could mumble the truth and the toy's relevance in the time's media.
- I personally now abide this entry in Toy Story WMG that theorizes that the Sheriff Woody doll predates the show: "It's not unheard of for popular toys to have a movie based off of them (Barbie, for instance), so a TV show isn't too far out there. Jessie, Bullseye and Pete were based on characters created for the show, so they have all of the 'pre-set' memories, but Woody was made before the show was, which would explain him not knowing "who he is". It would also explain (aside from the main character being the most popular/hardest to come by) why Al had such a hard time finding a Woody doll — they would be much rarer than the toys who were created for the show."
- Also remember that Buzz Lightyear didn't even know he was part of a show/franchise until he saw a commercial for himself on TV. As earlier posts suggested, Woody may not have had a chance to see himself on TV.
- Right. Even if the Woody doll doesn't predate the show, this could still make sense. Every toy based on a TV show, when they're brand new, is unaware that they're a toy, and is also unaware that their TV series exists. So there are two separate realizations that a toy can come to: (1) they're not the "real thing", and (2) they're based on a TV series. For Buzz, he realized both of these things at about the same time. For Woody, it's possible that he believed he was a real cowboy when he was brand new, but then gradually realized after a few years that he's just a toy, just based on the fact that he was being played with.
- Much simpler explanation (than SOME of the above, anyway): Woody spent so long in the attic that he forgot a lot of stuff, possibly just "going to sleep". He remembered being played with before and going into the attic, and that he was eventually taken out again and given to Andy, but he was alone for long enough that he did the toy equivalent of going senile and forgetting his backstory. It would also explain both his dedication to Andy and being a good toy, his sadness at going into the attic but the knowledge to help comfort the others about it and look forward to being played with by Andy's kids, and ultimately his decision to be given to another kid right away instead.
Why does Buzz Lightyear's "Space Ranger" personality seem to only annoy Woody in Toy Story while the other toys are seemingly passive (almost accepting), when in Toy Story 2 they all suddenly hate the new Buzz's SR attitude?
- Because as far as they're concerned, Buzz has for absolutely no reason suddenly decided to re-indulge his delusions of grandeur while they're in the middle of an important rescue mission, and is putting them all at risk as a consequence (he almost drops them down an elevator shaft at one point). Back in Andy's room in the first movie, it wasn't really a problem, no one was getting hurt and he was a novelty, so there wasn't really any harm or anything to lose in letting him indulge his little fantasies (except to Woody, who was feeling threatened by Buzz's popularity). Plus, they'd presumably had time to get used to the new, self-aware Buzz between the end of 1 and the beginning of 2.
- That still doesn't really explain why none of the toys, except for Woody, think Buzz's "Space Ranger Mode" in 1 is insane, and in fact everyone else almost thought of him as completely ordinary. Apart from Rex asking "What does a Space Ranger actually do? none of the toys seem to question his ideals or even try to convince him he's a toy, until 2.
- They might've bought it in one, but after Buzz realized he was just a toy, and began acting like a toy for however much time passed between the movies, they know he's a toy. They might've taken his high ego originally, but it's a bit more jarring when somebody who's been acting as your equal for weeks/months suddenly starts acting arrogant again.
- They didn't buy it. They clearly thought he was insane, especially when he gave the "galactic ranger" speech. The other toys humor Buzz's delusions a) because they like him and get a kick out of his fantasies, and b) to bug Woody, which they seem to think is pretty funny.
- It's the "falling with style" scene that does it, really. Buzz sufficiently impressed the other toys enough that they didn't really care that he was nuts. Woody however, was still smarting from being so callously knocked off the bed in favor of Buzz.
- Keywords: "Rex asking".
- Because in the first Toy Story deluded Buzz was just what Buzz's personality was. He was nice, helpful and somewhat amusing. Woody was annoyed, not because he was delusional, but because he was upset that Buzz was taking Andy's attention from him. Then Buzz clues into reality and remains mostly the same but without the overblown space stuff and everyone got used to it. Then, in the middle of trying to rescue Woody, Buzz starts acting like he was before. Not only would this be annoying after getting used to down to earth Buzz but, to them, he was screwing around and risking their lives for no reason while they were trying to rescue a kidnapped friend.
- I think they didn't realize he was insane they likely thought he was being in character, and introducing who he is supposed to be, Woody doesn't realize Buzz is actually insane until Buzz thinks he is going to die when his helmet is removed. If they did realize he was being insane his spaceman logic does not drive him to not help them in toy story or do anything that they would reject. In Toy Story 1 Buzz acts like he is in a new village and has to get introduced and doesn't believe he is in charge, and is trying to fit in. He spends a lot of time fixing his spaceship and asks them to help him, but many toys would want to fix an accesory if it was broken whether or not they think its the real deal. In Toy Story 2 Buzz thinks he's in charge and doesn't take their advice. His insane acting makes him not listen to what would be reason, and to drop them all. He knows whats going on and suddenly acts like he never met them before.
- I think that how Buzz was acting is fairly normal for a new toy: they take time to adjust to the fact that they are a plaything and not the real deal. Having see this before and gonethrough it themselves, the toys all knew that it would just take an adjustment period and then Buzz would realize the truth, which is why they indulged him. Woody would have none of it since Buzz was replacing him and was therefore the enemy. In the second movie, it annoyed everyone because they were basically thinking, "Buzz, this was cute and amusing when you were new and confused. Now, it's just weird."
LOOK, Evil Emperor Zurg's eyes are not connected to each other because of his nose. Then why is it that when we see his Zurg Vision, we see his eyes interconnected? I always thought it was binocular vision and an optical illusion, until I saw those crosshair thingies. There's no way binoculars or any other unconnected specs have that.
- How do you explain your vision being without a gap in the middle yet your nose seperates your eyeballs? It's always possible the vision is actually electronic considering Zurg's eyes literally "light up".
Why was Al only concerned about Woody seemingly missing his hat? Isn't he missing his gun too? His holster is empty.
- The gun would be incredibly small (choking hazard) /difficult and or expensive to detail. It's possible it was left out.
- The holster is just for decoration. He didn't have a gun in the TV show, so there's no reason why AL would be concerned about something like that.
- If he didn't have a gun on the show then what would he need a holster for?
- For a banana, of course. The delicious snack to provide a quick burst of energy in the middle of a long roundup, with its own biodegradeable packaging. For what else would he need a holster?
- There is absolutely NO REASON that a toy cowboy from the '50s wouldn't have a gun. But even in the "Woody's Roundup" footage, as far as I can tell, he has an empty holster. Ridiculous.
- If a hat is easy to lose, then a teeny little gun is even more so. A small little accessory like that would be the first thing that would disappear, as it would easily fall out the holster and get lost in the garden, or accidentally get stuck under the sofa cushions or get sucked up by the vacuum cleaner or any number of possible fates. Perhaps the collector's market doesn't really worry about the gun not being there because finding a Woody that has it is so prohibitively expensive and time-consuming as to not really make it not really worth the effort. It might be worth even more with the gun, but since the gun by this point is likely to be so rare as to make it virtually impossible to actually find then no one's really going to complain if it's not there.
relationship. It's supposed to be a brother-sister one
? Because it seems more romantic then anything. Jessie-Buzz basically came out of nowhere
and they accidentally made it seem like: A. Woody would never get Bo Peep, or B. They were now just friends.
- Aside from the fact that Woody never expressed romantic interested in Jessie in the first place, it has been clearly established from Toy Story and Toy Story 2 that Woody and Bo Peep are indeed an item (pardon the pun). Plus, as Woody and Jessie are both from the Woody's Roundup family, a brother-sister relationship makes more sense, unless you meant this.
- I particularly enjoyed a (sadly since-been-taken-down) fan fic's interpretation of Buzz falling for basically a female version of Woody.
- I disagree, Buzz clearly liked Jessie since the end of Toy Story 2. Jessie liking Buzz did seem to come out of nowhere, but maybe Pixar didn't want to have obvious pairings, or for Woody to start developing a harem.
Did Andy's Mom ever wonder where Jessie, Bullseye and the Aliens came from? When Andy sees them he calls out "Thanks, Mom!" yet she didn't buy them and has no reason to have the faintest idea why they just mysteriously appeared in Andy's room. Surely at some point during the intervening years between Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 she said something along the lines of, "Where did that cowgirl and horse come from?" Andy, assuming that she bought them, would have been very confused by this. Neither of them knew where the toys really came from, which must have left them thinking that Santa Claus was real and started operating very early.
- Probably, but she might have just assumed that another kid gave them to Andy or something and then passed it off. He's happy with his mysteriously appearing toys, and won't bother her, which is reason enough for her to let him keep them. What I'm confused about is how does Andy somehow know the correct names of Jessie and Bullseye in Toy Story 3, according to the height chart (in the teaser trailer)?
- Maybe Jessie's voice box mentions hers and Bullseye's names.
- I always assumed that Andy found out Jessie's name after pulling her string a couple of times. One of the real world Jessie doll's phrases is "Hi there, I'm Jessie!" As for Bullseye, Jessie probably has greater ties to the rest of the line than Woody (if you only bought the hero, no harm done; but if you buy the sidekick she'll get you to buy the others by talking about toys you don't have) and the in-universe toy talks about Bullseye. If Woody has a phrase we've never heard before in 3, there's no reason Jessie can't have a couple of phrases we never knew about. Se may even openly refer to Woody, or the Roundup, thereby causing Andy's theoretical online searches for his toys' backstory (let's just hope he didn't run across any Woody's Roundup fanfic).
- Honestly, people, how was this above response not your first assumption? Especially seeing as how in the first movie it's shown they can control what their voicebox says.
- Because Jessie never shows to have a voicebox of her own (or a pull string)
- I'm pretty sure Jessie has a pull string.
- Apologies, looking at some of her scenes in slow motion, she does have one... It's kinda weird we never get to hear what she says.
- Just a small mention, but we see in the first movie that toys can say things of their own accord and have it look like it's just their voicebox, as Sid now knows. Thus, it's also possible Woody could've just done the same thing with Andy one day, in order to let him know about Jessie and Bullseye's real names.
- It's been several years, he might well have looked it all up. He's played with them all enough to screw up their value as collector's items, and he doesn't have a Stinky Pete, so cashing in isn't a real option.
- Andy could've Google'd their names. The public library would probably have internet access, if nothing else.
- Well, since he just got back from Cowboy Camp, she must have assumed he won them, or a kid he befriended gave them. The aliens she probably assumed he won at the pizza place.
At the end of Toy Story 2, Al has a new commercial lamenting the loss of the Woody collection. Would be fine, except this was the next day, with the luggage train still outside. This means Al has 12 hours to get to Japan, find out the toys are gone, talk to the museum guys, fly back, unpack, shoot the commercial, edit it, and get it on the air. Wow.
- Not to mention that the stockholders of Al's Toy Barn would actually allow a commercial with the owner of the company crying his eyes out during the take to air. Pixarians actually Lampshade this.
- Well earlier in the movie when Al is on the phone with (I'm assuming) the producer of the commercial, he stated something along the lines of "And I want to do it in one take, you hear?"
- Plus, it's not exactly as if he's running a massively expensive advertising campaign there. It involves him dressing up in a chicken suit, basically. They probably didn't have time or cash for a lot of reshoots, and he was probably inconsolable at having lost the centrepieces of his toy collection, and thus his chance at making millions of dollars. They were probably forced to run what they had.
- Not running the commercial at all would have been a lot less damaging than losing face like that on public television. Also remember that they could have simply rerun a previous commercial and taken the loss.
- If they keep previous commercials; again, he's not exactly running the biggest advertising operation there.
- The DVD Commentary admits this doesn't make sense, they just wanted to show that Al got what he deserved.
- Maybe he only sent the packages without leaving for Japan. I know he repeatedly mentions in his lines how he'll be on the flight but maybe the plane left without him, he did seem to be in a VERY big hurry for the plane. This just seems to make more sense.
In Toy Story 2, Andy's mom put Wheezy in a yard sale and Woody takes him out. At the end he get repaired because his squeaker was broken. There are two problems with that:
- Didn't she notice that she put him in the box and he just magically appeared back in Andy's room?
- If she was willing to fix his squeaker after the yard sale, then why wasn't she willing to before? It just doesn't add up.
- My reasoning is that she simply thought no one bought Wheezy and that Andy eventually found him in the box. After much whining, she repaired him.
- She never fixed Wheezy. It's actually stated explicitly that "Mr. Shark found me an extra squeaker"
- And as for noticing he'd come back from the yard sale to Andy's room, who's to say she remembered putting him in the yard sale? She may have just been on a quick 'search and destroy' mission to find toys to sell, and never really registered what in particular she was choosing.
- And who hasn't changed their minds about throwing away/reparing something at some point?
- She probably just assumed no one bought him and that she'd brought him back in. Just because something is put into a yard sale doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to get sold.
In the universe of the movie, toys seem to be magically animated, and possess personalities independent of their original intent (i.e., Stinky Pete can be cultured and well-mannered, Zurg can be Buzz's loving father, etc.). So how would that apply to the toys from Small Soldiers
? Would their magical toy personalities be different from their technological, A.I. personalities? Split personality disorder?
- They played catch in the bushes, and went on to live out the rest of their lives. It's possible that Zurg was the same Zurg that winds up at the daycare at the end. Unknown about bonus belt Buzz.
- If it was meant to be the same Zurg, they probably didn't want to show Buzz with him to avoid an at-a-glance "Wait, why is Buzz back in the donations box?" reaction, especially if the viewer hasn't seen the second film to get the reference.
- Viewers who haven't seen the second film won't understand plenty of things. The movie mostly made references to the first one, but obviously people who didn't see 2 shouldn't expect to get everything. Especially who Jessie and Bullseye are, and when Andy ever got a hold of any of those Pizza Planet alien toys. Or why Potato Head calls them "[my] boys!" at the end. But I agree with the avoiding confusion about which Buzz is which.
The biggest idea behind the series is that all toys are alive. If this is the case, shouldn't some of that memorabilia from Woody's Roundup in Two (such as the boot's snake) come to life as well?
- It seems that, in the world of Toy Story, there are two kinds of toy: the "character" toy and the "prop" toy. Only "character" toys such as Woody and company can come to life, but "prop" toys such as the record player and the "snake-in-my-boot" cannot come to life. Now, sometimes, you can have toys which blur the line, such as the Etch-a-Sketch, the lawn gnome Hamm talks to, Mr. Spell and the Speak-n-Spell. The line, therefore, must be drawn at whether or not a toy can communicate.
- The main problem with that being the existance of RC, who certainly could not communicate.
- A think that whether or not a toy comes alive is random. Some does, some doesn't - the more character-like, the better. That's why a lot of other toy-like things in Andy's room don't come to life.
This always kind of bugged me from Toy Story 2: How exactly can Bullseye "lick" cheesy Al's fingers while he's asleep? He's a Toy, he has no digestive tract and he's completely made out of stuffing, therefore why does he feel the need to eat? At first I thought it was just simulation of eating, but until I saw this 
commercial which show Buzz and Woody eating popcorn. Is this how they recharge their batteries? Where does the food go in all that fluff and stuffing? Or is it more like this ◊
- The commerical is likely non canon, being a commercial and all. As for Bullseye, he didn't consume enough cheese to need a digestive system. As to why he would desire to, well, remember, he's has the mentality of an animal. He's not very smart, and saw some cheese on a guy's finger and licked it. Of note is that he only tasted the cheese, while ignoring the cheesy puffs on the ground.
- Also, note that in that commercial, Buzz and Woody never eat any popcorn. They are only shown holding it and almost putting it close to their mouths. Why they would just be pretending to eat it is anyone's guess, but also, why would they know who Wall-E is? Either the commercial isn't canon, or Buzz's batteries were Buy-N-Large products for a reason...
- His desire to taste in spite of lacking a digestive system can be compared to the other toys' desire for romance, in spite of a way to consumate such a relationship.
- ...how do you know they can't?
- Just a good guess. When Woody got his shirt sleeve cut, there's just cotton, no blood, not even peach colored fabric. Highly doubtful that he has a penis in his jeans. Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head are essentially walking around naked, and they have no genitalia.
- You probably wouldn't find tongues, teeth, and eyeballs if you opened up their heads, but they still have them in full functioning form when they talk to each other. There's some degree of additional articulation available when they aren't posing as toys, so it's not improbable.
- And for that matter, when Rex sees Woody holding Buzz's dismembered arm, he throws up. How can a toy throw up?!
- I think Rex was just miming throwing up, as a way of copying human behavior. Mentally, he may have felt like retching, but physically there was nothing to come up nor a way for anything to come up.
- They are all related to Titans.
When does 2 take place?
According to the main article it takes place years later. Is one to three years considered "several years later"?
- Taking place the summer (August according to the calendar) right after the original makes the most sense, so it's almost a year after the original. Andy and Molly are definitely not 3 years older.
In 2, does Mom just not notice that Woody was stolen? She must have noticed that the safe-box she locked him was broken into, and him being Andy's favourite toy, you'd think she'd tell him what happened. But Andy arrives back home still expecting him to be there and Mom doesn't seem to bat an eyelid when she sees him?
- She probably didn't want to bother him at camp. If he found out that his favorite toy was stolen, that would just ruin the rest of camp time for him. And we never see her expression when Andy got them back, so we have no idea how surprised she'd be that Andy came back, and with two more Western themed toys to boot.
- Well, first off, I don't think she ever really locked the cash box, so she wouldn't have been able to tell if someone opened it. Second, she may have just assumed she put Woody somewhere else (like Andy's room) and forgot about it.
- Very unlikely, since she had a fight with Al over the toy, with Al being rather persistent, and her having to lock the toy into the money box. If she would remember anything from that yard sale, it would be exactly that. A better question is why she did not call the police on him, since it would be very obvious who could have stolen Woody. The whole theft issue, however, is never resolved in the movie.
- Even if she did call the police, it's not like she could give them much to go on; it's not like he gave her contact details and given how many people she interacted with that day, about the best description she'd likely be able to provide would be "obnoxious fat guy with a beard" which, let's face it, is far from a unique description. And that's if the police were going to make finding a child's lost toy priority one which, let's be honest, is unlikely.
What is a 'Code 546'? Any ideas?
The 'Your Majesty' thing is just so Rangers don't have to explain the (real) meanings of their codes to civilians.
In Toy Story 2, how did the Prospector manage to turn on the TV with the remote right in front of Jessie without her seeing him?
- I always assumed that when they are in toy mode, they aren't aware of what's going on. Which would explain why Woody wasn't screaming when his arm was being ripped off until after it happened and Al left.
- Toys must not feel pain in toy mode. There's plenty of times where something that should hurt doesn't. I think they just automatically turn into toys in the prescence of humans, but automatically come back when they're gone. Though, this doesn't explain how Woody and Sid's toys scared Sid away. However, as proof that toys know what is going on, Woody hears Andy talking with his mom about the birthday party in like, the first scene of the first movie.
- It's also possible that they don't see, hear, or feel anything in "toy mode", but once they are able to snap out of it, they instantly remember the things they didn't see, hear, and feel. Like waking up and remembering a dream.
- But there was at least one shot in the first film that was obviously from the perspective of an inanimate toy...?
- Maybe "toy mode" is a state of mind where the toys physically go inert (and can only force themselves out of it with great willpower, in the presence of humans), and what they see and perceive is only what's necessary — as the opening of the third movie shows, they experience play time like a real, epic adventure, because they're only perceiving what's necessary for play time.
- I always assumed that Jessie did see Stinky Pete turn the TV on, but didn't mention it because she was more loyal to him than she was to Woody. Plus, once Woody accused her, it seemed like she got caught up in the principle of the thing and didn't want to dignify his accusation by shifting the blame.
- It could possibly be that Jessie was lying and did turn on the TV that time. She did have plenty of motive to, after all, and just because the Prospector can get out of his box doesn't necessarily mean it was him that time.
- Woody accuses Stinky Pete of committing the act when the prospector tries to stop him from returning home to Andy, and Stinky Pete certainly doesn't go to any lengths to deny it...To answer the question, though, I always figured Stinky Pete just turned the TV on from somewhere else and then slid the remote in front of Jessie to frame her for it, and she was so absorbed in watching what Woody was doing (albeit in the semi-conscious state referred to above) that she didn't notice it appear there.
Seriously, it looks soooo freaking familier, but I can't tell if it's genuinely a Shout-Out
, or if it's just my brain being wierd. IJBM that I can't figure this out...! Anyone? >_<
- Isn't it from Madagascar?
- Is it? I'll look into that~ Thank you. XD
- It's definitely not from Madagascar (which came out, what, a year or so later?) but it's possible both films are referencing the same source.
- Madagascar came out SIX years later!
- It looks like a huddle one might see in "The Wizard of Oz" movie. Jessie = Dorothy, Woody = Scarecrow, Bullseye = Cowardly Lion, Buzz = Tin Man.
- I'll check that one too (when I can. XD) Thank you~
- First thing that came to mind was the Red Dwarf episode Back to Reality, when the 4 guys all line their heads up to try to commit suicide with one bullet.
- That's dark, random and awesome.
Why can't Bullseye talk?
Bullseye is a horse toy that acts mostly horse-like, whereas all the other animal toys (Rex, Trixie, Lotso, Hamm, etc.) we see throughout the movies have human speech and intelligence. Why?
- Bullseye doesn't talk because he is based on a character that doesn't talk. If an animal is based on a talking animal, or is just a generic animal toy that isn't based on a fictional character, they talk.
- Additionally, he's the only toy in his line without a voice box. You notice he not only doesn't speak, he doesn't make any noise at all, not even horse sounds. Now of course voice boxes aren't a requirement for toys to talk, but he does possess that distinction within his "family".
- He does whinny in TS 3, when the prison guard does his round.
Isn't that stealing?
Ok, so the reason Al is the bad guy is because he stole Woody. Ok, that works. But what bugs me is that, at the end of the movie, Woody, Buzz and the other toys take Jessie, Bullseye and the prospector from Al. There's no indication that he stole them, and they are his property whether they're alive or not. So doesn't that mean that the good guys just did exactly what makes the bad guy bad?
- Considering the toys are sentient beings, what Al did is more like kidnapping, and in Jessie and Bullseye's case, they left of their own accord, and the prospector followed them.
- Yeah but Al didn't know they were alive and they're still technically posessions whether they left willingly or not.
- Al stole Woody which is bad enough but from the toys point of view he kidnapped Woody which is actually worse. Even if Al doesn't know she's alive Jesse has every right to leave if she wants too. If a dog convinces your dog to run away its not considered stealing. Actually one has to wonder how Emily ended up donating Jesse to the greedy collector foundation.
- She didn't, she donated her to some sort of charity and through an elaborate series of events she got to Al.
- Even if we can consider it stealing, well, for Al it's a case of 'tough shit' really; Al was quite happy to steal someone else's cherished property for his own greedy ends, so his own cherished property getting 'stolen' on him is simply just deserts. It's Karma balancing the universe and biting him on the ass in the process. The two also aren't morally equivalent, really; Al stole Woody so that he could sell him and profit, Woody and the other toys 'stole' Jessie and Bullseye to give them a new, happier home and, as a consequence, to make a small boy happy. Al's motives were selfish and greedy, Woody's motives were selfless. There's absolutely no reason why we should feel sorry for Al or consider Woody morally equivalent to him.
- Good intentions don't make crimes right, including stealing. And yes, we can feel sorry for Al, since he does get his own property stolen alongside losing the doll he stole. And you cant simply retaliate one crime with another crime and be morally in the right. Both characters initially cant get what they want, and resort to theft to get their way, so yes, they can be considered morally equivalent, while not being judged equally by the movie (or viewer) through how they are portrayed.
- Leaving aside the moral absolutism here (since while we technically can feel sorry for Al, the fact that he's consistently depicted as a selfish dick who, you know, basically stole a kid's beloved toy to satisfy his own greed heavily suggests we're not supposed or encouraged to), who's stealing anyway? The toys are, in this case, sentient beings making a decision for themselves. Woody doesn't steal Jessie and Bullseye, he persuades them to join him and the other toys. Al didn't offer Woody this choice (albeit unwittingly, but then, there's still the whole 'he stole a toy from a kid out of greed' thing). They're not morally equivalent because what Woody did wasn't stealing in the first place.
- Just wondering here, why would toys abide by human law? Maybe if Andy knew Jesse and Bullseye were Al's that would be stealing, but toys leaving of their own accord? They're toys, not slaves. Toys seem to leave of their own free will all the time— the Army Men in TS3 to escape being trashed, Woody in TS3 to get back to Andy (from both Sunny Side and from Bonnie's room), Buzz and Woody from Sid's house in the first movie, etc. are just a few canon examples. It would certainly explain toys that suddenly go missing or groups of toys (like the Army Men) that seem to magically have less members...
- Since toys are considered property that can be bought and sold, they are technically slaves through being toys. The toys, especially early on, do not exhibit all that much free will in terms of being able to leave (note that Sid's toys, while locked up, did manage to escape when they specifically were told to do so). Woody leaves these places only because he is still owned by (and feels ownership by) Andy. Lotso feels this same urge to return, untill he finds out he has been disowned by his previous owner. The Army Men seem to leave, but come back to the rest of the toys after Andy handed them all over to another child (implicitly also including the soldiers in the gift).
- Actually, they don't; the Army Men end up at the daycare centre at the end.
- The whole moral of the movie (at least from the perspective of a toy), is that it's better to live and be played with, as toys are meant to be, instead of, as Buzz puts it, watching kids from behind glass and never being loved. If you remember, Jessie, Bullseye, and Stinky Pete didn't even get to be loved or worshipped by anyone - it was said that without Woody, they'd go back into storage, possibly forever. Thus, I think Woody's intentions behind convincing them to come with him back to Andy's house was more to help them directly, and that he probably didn't think of it very much (if at all) as trying to 'get even' with Al for stealing him.
Why don't the other Woody's Roundup collectibles (aside from Jessie, Bullseye and Stinky Pete) move when Al isn't there?
- What makes a toy be alive, so to speak? It can't be just looking like a person/animal
because many of the Woody themed toys don't move during the movie - even while Woody's interacting with them - while other non-anthropomorphic toys like the Etch-a-Sketch do. I thought for a bit maybe a toy has to be loved to come to life, but there are a bunch of still-in-package toys in the series, including Stinky Pete and all of the toys in the toy store, that move.
- I assumed that toys began with a general consciousness after they are made. When they gain a loving home, they gain a soul. And when they lose that home, they keep it until they die. Or something like that.
Why does Jessie only remember Emily?
Jessie presumably was made at the same time as Woody and the TV show (circa 1950s) and Emily was most likely a child in the 60s/70s. That's a good ten year gap or so. Didn't she have anyone before that? Woody too- if he is a hand-me-down from Andy's father, he was probably a child in the 70's/80's, to have a kid born in the 90's (unless there was a considerable age gap between Andy's Mom and Dad). That's a really long time to have no owner, especially for a toy.
- Juding by the style and appearance of the girl, as well as the van and room during the flashback, it would be better assumed that she was a child of the 80's. Before then, Jessie probably lived with another owner that didn't have such a great emotional impact or simply forgot. Woody, on the other hand, just spent several years in the attic.
- It could be that Andy's Dad was born around 1954 or 55, and got Woody when he was very young and around the time the show went off the air. He would have grown up in the 1960s, and put Woody in the attic for a few decades. So Andy's Dad would have been in his thirties when Andy was born, and gave him Woody when he was old enough.
- Just because Jessie was released in the 1950s doesn't necessarily mean that's when she was bought. She could have been purchased for Emily in a discount store or something.
- Emily loses interest in Jessie when she becomes a teenager, which is when a lot of very late 60s/early 70s "Dance Party" posters start popping up on the wall, and Emily is wearing bell-bottoms when she finds Jessie again. She drives a sorta late-60's woody (hah) station wagon to drop Jessie off at the charity truck. I think the odds are in favor of Emily being more or less contemporaneous with the show. If she's 16 or so in 1970, that would mean Emily was about 3 when the show was on the air.
- It's possible that the series was repeated until the 1980s - this happened a lot with real-life TV series (EG Champion was a common timefiller on Saturday early mornings on BBC1 into the 80s - it originally aired in 1954), and merch was sometimes rereleased. If you reference the way Thunderbirds merch has been redone over the timeframe; Blue Peter did a Tracy Island "make" in the late 70s/early 80s. The ATV/ITC series was repeated frequently.
In the first movie, Mrs. Potato Head is said to be Molly's present, yet in this (and 3), she's one of Andy's toys... so, what happened there? Did Andy simply keep taking the Mrs. away from Molly so his Mr. could have a Mrs., or what do you think the possible scenario is?
- I think you've answered your own question. My sister and I had toys that belonged to one another that we thought went together with our own which we simply took and played with a lot. Sometimes, if the other sibling didn't protest, we'd just eventually think of the toy as one of ours, especially if we became attatched to it. This is probably what happened to them— Molly probably didn't show much interest in the Mrs Potato Head (in the first movie Mr. Potato Head complains that he's not age appropriate for Molly anyway, and she was around the same age when she received his spouse) that Andy needed for his scenarios, so he eventually claimed her as his own.
After Al falls asleep watching TV, the channel goes off the air and cuts to static. Were there any TV stations left in the late 90s that still weren't running on a 24-hour schedule?
- He may have been watching a VHS tape that was connected to the TV through a channel that was otherwise running static. When the tape ran out and stopped playing, it went to static.
- Or was watching a tape that was recorded at the very end of a long ago broadcast day. There are a number of such videoes on YouTube currently mostly used to point out that, yes, stations did indeed used to go off the air.
- Some cable channels like Food Network and HGTV end their programming and then they pass infommercials until they start programming again in the morning.
How does the age of the Woody's Roundup toys fit into the Pixar Theory?
- So, I realize that the Pixar Theory isn't canon, but this is just something I thought of while skimming this page. Toys are supposed to have gained sentience after the events of The Incredibles, which is set in an alternate 1960s. So if Jessie, Bullseye, Stinky Pete and our Woody are all from the original line of toys produced in the 1950s, how would they be able to come alive? Does Syndrome's technology only affect things made after he harnessed/created it, or does it work retroactively as well?