This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
What do you think of the relationship between the cranes and the Geass power? In the last episode, Lelouch comments on how the power of Geass is like a wish since it let's him request others to help him accomplish something that he couldn't do by himself (something like that). And in season one, the characters mention that cranes were supposed to grant you wishes. And the Geass symbol seems to be a bird, I remember it flying and... flapping its wings when going out of Lelouch's eyes.
Am I seeing too much into this? and is this a trope?
Anonymous: Any where you think I can get the Code Geass Game Lost Colors. Looks interesting, although I would prefer in English
chubbyboy: Can we maybe do a page listing all the different geass powers? Adam850: Poultry? What the hell?
Jisu: The pun is that the word "Geass" is based on "geas" rather than "geese". Ever read Pratchett?
Fencedude: Code Grease? Thats a new one to me, I always heard "Code Pizza Hut" (Or Code Pizza Butt, in honor of C.C.'s ass...)
Jisu: I just heard "Pizza Hut Supports The Rebellion".
Cassius335: I will get redirects right next time. I will get redirects right next time. I will get redirects right next time...
Citizen: Japan had tanks. AmerBritannia had Humongous Mecha. OH THE IRONY. Page rewritten.
Cassius335: Wish you'd left the poultry ref in, but I don't care enough to change it back. Great rewrite!
AmuroNT1: Is it really fair to consider Lelouch a candidate for Rape The Dog? The only time he forces people to kill themselves is when his own life is in danger, and he goes out of his way to avoid civilian deaths. I mean, sure, he shot his half-brother in the face, but this IS the half-brother who had no problem ordering a city full of innocents to be slaughtered just to cover up one little gaffe.
Bob: No, it's not. I cut it when it came up before The Great Crash and now I've done it again.
Just wondering: since when did Lelouch kill his evil brother?
Jordan: I forget the name of the brother, but the one he confronts in the first episode, he puts a gun to his head and there is a state funeral afterward- I did kind of wonder if he was still alive since I'm not sure if you actually see Lelouch shoot him but I assume he did. Also, a question- is there any meaning behind the use of "orange" as an insult?
- Clovis was the brother and Lulouch admits there was no meaning behind "Orange". He just said it to mess with people.
Same guy who asked about Lelouch killing his brother, edited it to half-brother, since as far as canon is concerned, for season 2, Lelouch admits to having a directly related younger sister, not a brother. Just found that line misleading (with regards to Clovis).
Charred Knight: Deleted the brutally subverted from Wide Eyed Idealist, since a subversion of the Wide-Eyed Idealist trope would be if Euphemia convinces the Emperor to abandon world domination, and the first season ends with Lelouch, the Emperor, Britannia's army, and the Japanese resistance, sitting around a fire making smores. The trope Wide-Eyed Idealist either means that the Idealist dies horribly (Euphemia) or loses their idealism (The Scrappy). Also deleted the Wanking on the Wham Episode, several people hated it (since the plot twist was completely forced) and some people found it the funniest scene in the entire series (me). I should also point out that Episode 22 is a horrible example of a Wham Episode. A Wham Episode should come naturally with hinting about the event, and the Wham comes naturally. An example, is the revalation of the Big Bad in Bleach. It made complete sense, it was a natural ending to the mystery of Rukia's execution, and its hinted previously. If you look back one of the subordinates, confronts the Big Bad right in front of one of the good guys. The result is that the good guy thinks the subordinate killed the Big Bad, and fights him in revenge.
Charred Knight: If you don't figure out that Britannia is a villan by the end of the first episode your an idiot. Its not like their protrayed sympathetically, their basically an even more over the top version of Nazi Germany.
Chris X: Please add tropes regarding to a character to the the character sheet
Cassius335: Please add messages asking this to the pages themselves, as people are less likely too see it in Discussion pages.
Chris X: Added messages like this, and people still do it. They have better give the proper excuse of adding character-related tropes in the main show trope, here in this page! As if the character sheets mean nothing at all -_-
Cassius335: They're still new. Give it time.
Attilargh: Is there a picture any smaller that shows the main characters? That's pretty damn big.
Cassius335: Nuked it.
Mark Lungo: Can't you just resize the picture instead? It was awesome.
Cassius335: Actually, I can't (I never got round to getting that uploader account). Someone who does have an uploader account might be persuaded, but I make no guarantee's.
Gloating Swine: Cut
- Contrived Coincidence (the main complaint of episode 22)
A certain amount of contrivance is already implied by Diabolus ex Machina, after all.
Putting this here instead of the main page
- The name Viletta is a coincidence, as its a character in a work the VA was in. Not sure if there's a trope for this kind of reference...
If it is a reference to a previous role, it's The Alkazar, but I can't figure out what the reference is to, and I'm not familiar with the VA. If you know, pop on over to the Characters page and stick it in.
Charred Knight: Its a reference to Super Robot Wars. Akeno Watanabe the VA of Villeta, played Ibis Douglas, another character in Super Robot Wars is Villeta Vadim, but that's most likely a coincedence since neither Villeta have much in common.
Gloating Swine: Nuking Discussion In The Main Page.
- Did Not Do The Research (This Troper was very upset with the chess move that Schneizel did in episode 9 of R2 - because, frankly, it was illegal under the rules they were playing and not a single person in the room gave a damn. This is even more embarrassing for the authors because of The Chessmaster allegory permeating the entire show. If it were just Schneizel bending the rules because he can, they should have at least lampshaded it.)
- Lelouch's whole "the King must lead for the others to follow" schtick is a Wall Banger of this too. It makes no goddamn sense in chess.
- This editor must disagree. The chess game was just used as a theater in which to illustrate Lelouche and Schneizel's characters. It was already agreed that the game was going nowhere, so Schneizel simply moved his king into an illegal position to see what Lelouche would do. It would have been totally out of character for Lelouche to just point out that Schneizel wasn't following the rules, considering how enraged he was by the fact that he was mocking him in such a way.
- Lelouch's whole "the King must lead for the others to follow" schtick is a Wall Banger of this too. It makes no goddamn sense in chess.
(The latter is correct, Schneizel is making a deliberately illegal move because he believes Zero won't accept a "cheap" victory by default. He might also be doing this to subtly point out that he knows who Zero is).
Also:
- Not to mention Shirley cosplaying as Combat-Waitress Mikuru from Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu, only to fall over and be photographed by Anya, who was voiced by the voice actress of Mikuru, Goto Yuko.
Shirley's costume bears little resemblance to Mikuru's at any point, really, claiming that she us "cosplaying as" Mikuru is really reaching...
Anonymous: There's got to be some tropes we can add for Sayoko after R2 ep. 12, but I'm not sure if we have pages for some of these. Here's a sampling of possibilities:
- Maid with bizarre skills. It's not enough that a maid have good domestic skills.
- Ninja maid. Lord knows we've seen that one enough in the past couple of years.
- The maid who will do anything requested by their master. (No, not sexual favors; that's a different trope.) We know Sayoko was Geass'ed once, so her current job has to be of her own free will, and yet she seems to be unquestioningly willing to act as Lelouch, even going so far as to kiss a girl to maintain her cover. ...Which brings me to the next point.
- I dub this one "high-functioning autistic:" a character who you know, up until this point, has interacted with normal society without any indication of being abnormal but who suddenly displays a complete lack of common sense (like setting up Lelouch on dates with 108 girls, going way over the top dodging people during Cupid Day, etc.). But now, she's unveiled her "wacky" side and falls into the category of Cloud Cuckoolander. (There was only the slightest hint of this in the DVD picture drama where she taught Nunally how to make straw curse dolls.)
- Arguably, this might be a form of Flanderization, but not having read all the supplemental material, I can't say whether they intended this for her from the start.
- One of the supplemental drama C Ds depicts Sayoko's daily point of view of life: through a series of hilarious coincidences, she gets the mistaken impression that Lelouch is a playboy pervert. Hence her actions in the series when asked to impersonate him.
- Arguably, this might be a form of Flanderization, but not having read all the supplemental material, I can't say whether they intended this for her from the start.
- Complete gender suppression: This already deserves trope mention for CC's ability to disguise herself as Zero without any of her... *ahem* womanly traits showing, but Sayoko's ability to seamlessly disguise her voice is just creepy.
- Probably worth noting Latex Perfection here, though it doesn't cover the whole seamless disguise trope.
Also, speaking of missing tropes, is there one for the cellphone girl? Anya fits into a character type we've seen several times in the past couple of years in anime of the girl who interacts with the world mostly (or solely) through her cellphone. I can't think of any guys who do this, but we've had the trope played up to its extreme in SZS and we even had a whole show about girls like that in Keitai Shoujo.
Attilargh: You know when an example's too long? When it takes twelve lines on a twenty-inch widescreen monitor. Seriously, think before editing.
Yarshy Yarblocks: Does that mean an example that lists multiple tropes as part of the example is still a sign that its editor is retarded? Because that's what I did.
Attilargh: If you're referring to the Lensman Arms Race example, you don't need to do that. Few tropes exist in a vacuum, so if one was to connect all the dots on a single page, we'd end up with a kilometre of redundancy. Also, a page listing tropes used in a series doesn't have to go to all that much detail regarding any specific trope, there's the trope's own page for that. And finally, I honestly didn't mean to imply you (or anyone else) was retarded, apologies.
Yarshy Yarblocks: Gotcha. I'll try and keep that in mind from here on out.
Rogue 7: Y'know, here I am, enjoying the dub on Adult Swim every Saturday night, happy to watch it just like normal TV...and then you guys come with your stupid spoilers that I seem unable to resist highlighting and now I'm desperately watching the torrent of the subs for season one slowly inch towards completion. I hope you're happy.
- Yes. Yes, we are.
Etrangere: Can you keep capslock rants out the main page, please? This kind of things don't fit in there.
Anonymous: Speaking of things that don't belong... Not to be a jackass, but if English isn't your first language, don't try to sum up a Thirty Xanatos Pileup in a 7-line spoiler block as shown here:
- Thirty Xanatos Pileup: Starting from Ep 20, Emperor try to start Ragnarok, Schneizel is trying to overthrow him and become emperor, but so is Lelouch (except mainly involve with making his old man miserable); meanwhile a crazed Suzaku became rabid and just try to do his own thing, and a newly reawaken Marianne and C.C. is pulling something else (and not caring her daughter is dead while her son gone crazy). Then we have Black Knights trying to cover the fact they tried and failed to kill Lelouch by simply saying Zero die while he is actually alive... and then of course we have Kallen, who may decide to betray Black Knights.
While there's next to no short way to describe a Thirty Xanatos Pileup, I've made my best effort to condense the text and make it well... English. Also, don't put speculation in a Xanatos Roulette description — plots meriting that tag are complex enough to describe without putting guesswork in the text. Last, don't mention characters that aren't themselves pulling a convoluted scheme of some sort.
Haesslich: Episode 21's out. Does geassing God/Jupiter to kill your parents count as a Crowning Moment of Awesome or more along the lines of a Jumping the Shark moment? Especially with his new Knight of Zero, Suzaku. Weren't they trying to kill each other an episode or two ago for killing one another's loved ones off?
X Shouldve Died: The shark has been jumped. The writers have abandoned the premise of manipulative Chess Master taking on The Empire and now they're doing, well... Fuck if I know where they're taking the plot from here, I just want off the damn roller coaster.
Rogue 7: The roller coaster as a whole is spiraling dangerously out of control, but each individual loop is still making me go [[HSQ Holy Shit!]] Also- Cut British Nazis. I mean, really Aquilla Ronin, quit with the flame bait.
Later: Cut again. And I'll keep doing it. "Smirking racism"? It's a motherfucking japanese show to begin with!
Charred Knight: What the hell does it being Japanese have anything to do with it? I agree that its somewhat flame bait, I just want to know what you mean?
Rogue 7: The idea that someone could be racist against their own country strikes me as somewhat retarded.
Charred Knight: I thought you where talking about Japanese tendency to use Eagleland. Also ironically Bobby Fischer, the most famous chess player was a hardcore anti-semite when his mother was Jewish. So their are people like that.
Charred Knight: Deleted Refuge in Audacity for second half. In terms of plot points it hasn't gotten any stranger. Lelouch geassing human conscious makes perfect sense, since hios Geass works on the human conscious it should work on the sum of human conscious. The problem is that it looks like Tanaguchi has stopped giving a shit, and so the mecha battle sucked, and he ducks the issue that he showed Britannia as mostly racist. All of a sudden Tanaguchi screaming that it was only the nobles that are racist isn't Refuge in Audacity its bad writing.
Charred Knight: The reason why I am so hard on Code Geass is quite simple, Goro Tanaguchi whined about how his work was comprimised so instead of comparing it to Gundam Seed, I compared it to Zeta Gundam. It fails at Zeta Gundam, and R2 isn't even as good as Gundam Wing.
Madonis: Zeta Gundam? I've never even thought of making that comparison myself and prefer to focus on the show as it is. And well, I do enjoy Code Geass more than Gundam Wing and Seed, but then again, everyone has a different opinion.
Amuro NT 1: Okay, someone explain to me who keeps claiming that this show is a Shout-Out to Evangelion and why, because frankly, the whole thing just comes off to me as someone REALLY stretching to make a comparison. Also, to Charred Knight: Taniguchi NEVER complained about his work being "compromised". All this whining you're attributing to him never happened, and all evidence points to him still absolutely loving this show. BTW, for what it's worth, Zeta Gundam isn't that good.
Charred Knight: It was a mistake on my part, I mistook his low self esteem (compared to actual talent) for an artist who was frustrated that his masterpiece was being ruined. It was from the part on Code Geass' R2 opening.
Jordan: I was interested to know what Lelouch's power is in the manga and how that storyline goes compared with the anime.
Zhirzzh: In the manga that comes with the limited edition his geass is exactly the same, but there are no Knightmare Frames. The other main difference is that the Ashford school has 11s and Britannians integrated.
Charred Knight: I just want to give thanks to Madonis for the improvement to They Wasted A Good Plot, especially pointing out how badly explained it was. Code Geass to me will always be remembered as the mediocre anime that could have been one of the greatest anime ever with sufficient planning, and character development.
More a suggestion than anything else, but I think there should be a Fan Fic Rec page. Lelouch of Brittania at least deserves a spotlight, slow though it is to update.
Charred Knight: Given that Okouchi has flat out stated that Lelouch is dead, should we start re-writing some parts? I did some rewriting in He's Hiding, and Heroic Sacrifice
Gloating Swine: Cut
- Did Not Do The Research: The chess match between Zero and Schneizel has Schneizel blatantly breaking the rules. I don't care what kind of point you're trying to make, you can't put your own king in check!
- Maps of the series have shown borders which would probably never exist in any world without our WW 2 and other events, particularly Stalin's square-shaped Poland.
The chess thing always bothered me, as it's explicit in the series that Schneizel knows he's breaking the rules, he's metagaming to see how his opponent responds to an open and blatant rule violation to try and gauge the personality of Zero. It's not an example of not doing the research, because the writers know you can't do that in chess, and the fact that you can't do it is rather the point of Schneizel doing it.
The map thing? Were any of the national borders, especially in the EU where none of the action takes place, shown as anything but vague suggestions of their real world locations?
Anonymous: On the subject of Book Ends, the last line of the first and last episodes of season 1 are the same in Japanese — "da kara," which roughly means "because of that" or "so then." I haven't watched the official translation, and the fansubbers were all over the place on that line since the meaning is so contextual in Japanese, so could someone who knows what the line was in the official translation make a note of that?
Charred Knight: The problem is that in the second world war the asian countries and white countries where not divided by race. China, the USA, Britain and her allies, and the USSR where fighting Germany, Italy, and Japan. If it was a supposed reference to World War II than they failed miserably.
- This mirrors the situation in the REAL World Wars, which were nominally between a few white/Asian nations—but WERE truly global in impact because those few countries had colonies, vassal-states, and allies on all continents. Britannia outright controls 1/3 of the world's surface area and holds powerful sway over at least another 1/3.
Charred Knight: I deleted the mention of Both sides getting Sympathetic POV since that only happens to two Britannian characters Euphemia, and Suzaku. The Britannian Empire is always protrayed as full of evil racist who happen to have a few good loyal soldiers. It's kind of hard to find sympathy when no sympathy is deserved.
Rogue 7: I feel like Cornelia and Jeremiah got some sympathy, but perhaps my perception's been colored by Lelouch of Britannia.
Gloating Swine: Cut
- Did Not Do The Research: When Zero is having a chess match with Prince Schneizel, Schneizel makes a daring move by putting his king where it can be captured...except that's not a legal move in chess. Yes, Schneizel was trying to make a point, but he didn't need to break the rules in order to do so.
Again.
Schneizel is deliberately breaking the rules to see what Zero will do about it. The fact that it's not a legal move is the entire point of the scene, stop adding it back.
I need to know whether (totally irrelevant) Lost Colors will play on an American PSP. Please help, even though it doesn't belong here!
- Anti-Villain: Everyone except for Arthur
Seriously? Are you kidding me? Please elaborate how people like Rivalz, Milly, Euphemia or even C.C. could be described as Anti-Villain. I mean come on, what the ... is this.
Charred Knight: Really the only Anti Villains where Lelouch and Suzaku, The others where characters that either never got much character development (Knights of the Round), Well-Intentioned Extremist (Charles, and Schneizel), or where not villains at all (Black Knight, Ashford Students)
Bob: You know, you are allowed to simply cut instead of bringing it up on the discussion page since it 1: is blatantly incorrect. 2: belongs in the character sheet anyway.
Rogue 7: For all that adult swim did to screw this show over, I feel this description is bizarrely appropriate: Recipe for Geass: take military occupation, genocide, fighting robots, and frequently nude high school girls with the bodies of 25 year old super models giggling about a first kiss like they were in 5th grade. Mix in some bewildering interactions and unidentifiable emotions and bake in Japan. It's kind of like watching the history channel narrated by your ten year old nephew after a blow to the head.
Madonis: Errr...just kinda, but it is strangely amusing, which is what [as] is all about. Which is why it's worth a smile and not actually nitpicking.
Haven: wordle
fleb: Didn't this description used to talk about "roller-skating mecha" and the "
Haven: Took out this bit from They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot because it's natter-y, and untrue for a few reasons: She wasn't "mostly dormant", Anya had huge swaths of time missing from her memories. Also, Anya was the youngest person ever to be made a Knight of Rounds, which points to Marianne's influence, as Marianne was a Knight of Rounds while she was alive. And yes, Bismarck did explicitly say he used his Geass against Marianne.
- Maybe she was just a nice person who happened to have a plan that involved destroying the world. Also, its pretty obvious she didn't know V.V. was going to kill her and once she was in her new body, she was mostly dormant. As for when Bismark would have fought her, does he actually say they fought against each other? It's entirely possible he saw her fight in a battle while he had his geass active.
Haven: Just ran into a hilarious "Funny Aneurysm" Moment on the Television Without Pity boards. Around the time the 6th episode or so of R2 came out, someone posted "This show has all the subtlety of a tac-nuke" and received the reply "A nuke could only improve things."
Haven: Madonis, I don't like edit wars, but it's verifiable that his cockpit is in view the entire time and neither opens nor ejects. There is a pillar, but it's only blocking the tip of the hatch.
Madonis: That's the thing, it's not in view the entire time and the pillar is only part of it. Whether his loss was staged or not (but even more likely if it was), Suzaku objectively had to find a way to survive because of his "Live" Geass. The camera intentionally focuses on what Kallen's mecha is doing (falling off only to be rescued by what's left of the Tristan Divider) during a couple of key seconds, before we get to see Lancelot explode, seconds during which Suzaku could have arguably opened the hatch off-screen since he's got the reflexes of a freaking superhuman and just can't choose to allow himself to die. It's still Not Quite Dead, I'm not arguing that, but not because it's literally impossible for him to get out, just because how he did it is never visibly shown.
Kris Mahai: Removed several character tropes from the main page; they're already on the character sheet and it's noted at the top to only add them on there. I left a couple there, because I wasn't sure it they counted. Such as Large Ham, for example. Is that a character trope?
Also, removed some Natter from the Idiot Plot bullet:
- This is made particularly glaring 2 episodes later when Suzaku of all people realizes that Euphy and Shirley never revealed Zero to be Lelouch, leading to his trusting Lelouch. So one of the less intelligent characters can realize reasons to trust Lelouch.....but the Black Knights can't realize that Geass wasn't cast on them to prevent the mutiny from being possible, let alone in its execution? How can a whole group of people, with Kallen having been given the second lowest intelligence score out of them, be collectively less smart than Suzaku, Schneizel's manipulation or no?
- Thousands of people die, Japan loses most if not all of its Sakuradite, and Brittania and the UFN lose billions of dollars worth of equipment for no reason other than Lelouch, Nunnaly, and Schneizel pretending to be Evil Overlords. This could have been prevented just by those three talking it out alongside the UFN.
- Erm. No. It couldn't. The Zero Requiem and (for want of a better phrase) "Damocles Requiem" were an implicit recognition that democratic politics and international diplomacy could not achieve what was necessary. The UFN would never have acceded to either plan, and the Zero Requiem certainly wouldn't have stood any chance of success if that many people knew about it.
Charred Knight: Ugh I think your missing my point, Zero Requiem was nothing more than complete nonsense that makes little sense (see World War II for proof of what happens in an actual Enemy Mine, where Britain was planning to double cross Russia (and only didn't because no one else wanted to back them up)Germany split in two soon after, and America didn't want Russia to have any claims over Japan was one of the factors of the nuke. Zero Requiem is nothing short of mass stupidity. Also if you read the dialouge of the characters it's clear that every single character would have wanted peace. Actual diplomacy would have worked, nonsensical death plan wouldn't work.
KrisMahai: Then put it in the entry for Idiot Plot. The show entry is only supposed to say which tropes describe the show and a small amount of information, and the rest is supposed to go under the trope itself. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying it's too long. The page for the work is supposed to be short and to the point. The page for the trope is where the detail is supposed to be.
Charred Knight: cut because only one interpertation of Taniguchi backs up "Lelouch could be alive", all other quotes such as by Okouchi and the guide itself are quite clear that Lelouch is dead. In this case the clear quotes especially the ones in the guide trump a vague as hell quote from Taniguchi.
- Actually, there are different interpretations that may still be possible, depending on how different people look at the Word of God - some even believe that the creators are supposedly just kidding around in order to see how fans react.
- No
- We're all editors. I don't think it's misleading, and it really depends on where you personally stand on the sliding scale of idealism. I'm going to go ahead and put it back in. You know how in an actual wiki they still put up different opinions? I don't see why we can't do it as well.
- As another note: Someone actually wrote a fairly interesting article analyzing the various "roles" that identities play. For all intent and purposes, Lelouch vi Britannia, the 99th Emperor is dead. However, there still isn't really much of a problem of him being alive, considering that he would essentially be removed from plot altogether, as he no longer needs to interfere with the mundane.
- Actually, there are different interpretations that may still be possible, depending on how different people look at the Word of God - some even believe that the creators are supposedly just kidding around in order to see how fans react.
Xylon Lionheart: Why exactly was Lying Creator deleted? That trope was very clearly invoked with Nunnally's supposed death during the original airing of R2 and is even the first example on said page. I know that some people do not like bringing that trope up because it opens up the possibility that Lelouch is still alive based on if you believe Word of God or not, but that shouldn't matter because no matter what you believe about Lelouch's fate, the creators decidedly used the trope when the show was first being aired.
EDIT: Apparently said example on the Lying Creator page itself was deleted as well. Again, why?
TheRoguePenguin: Because the example given wasn't the creators lying, it was a sponsor site being misinformed (or rather not omniscient). Biglobe doesn't make the show, and that's who runs that site.
There's a lot of Trivia in the Wild Mass Guess section, would it be ok if someone (let's say me) would import it there? And how would it be done? Would the texts be kept in both sections?
2writeis2life: Why does everyone, including people on this very Wiki (home of You Keep Using That Word trope, of all things) refer to Mao as a psychopath?! There is absolutely nothing that makes him a psychopath, because that's a very specific sort of mental disorder, that you are born with (there's no evidence anywhere that Mao was born with any sort of mental disorder, and from everything I could find, in the anime and the supplementary materials, it seems as though he was just a perfectly normal, innocent little boy driven insane by his Geass). I mean, he's a lot of other things, most of them unpleasant, but in no way, shape, or form is he a psychopath (and I'll give him the Psychopathic Manchild label because that's an official trope, but people refer to him as a psychopath completely outside of that context)!
Haven: Most likely it's because reading about Mao's power puts the word "telepath" into your working memory, which means that when you start looking for an appropriate word to describe his actions, "psychopath" (which most people use in an informal) is very nearby due to both the -path and the "psychic/psycho" connection. And because most people have a different definition of psychopath in mind than the formal psychological meaning (more Mike Myers, less DSM).
Kvschwartz: From wikipedia: "Psychopathy ... is a personality disorder whose hallmark is a lack of empathy." That sounds like Mao to me. Far from being "a very specific sort of mental disorder, that you are born with," it's actually a hotly disputed subject in psychiatry, with little agreement on what it is, much less what the mechanisms behind it are. But I think pretty much everyone who has studied it agrees there are environmental factors. Here's an interesting article from "The New Yorker" on the subject of psychopathy: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/10/081110fa_fact_seabrook
Colonial1: May I ask WHY the respectable Nightmare Fuel section was removed? What sillyness prompted the editor to ignore the several VERY valid entries? Bring it back. Please. It really doesn't make sense for it not to be there.
"Except that turned out to be part of Lelouch's plan to make everybody hate him."
I removed the following line due to the fallaciousness of it. Lelouch came up with zero reqium in response to his betrayal. If it was really a part of his plan all along, he wouldn't have been surprised by said betrayal.
Actually, there's evidence that that was his plan all along.
Charred Knight: No it wasn't, the betrayal was a complete surprise which is why Lelouch barely escaped with his life, lost his army, had to brainwash a new one, and was probably supposed to be the major reason why Lelouch uses Redemption Equals Death, Mostl likely if the betrayal had not happened Lelouch would still be alive at the end.
Cari- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the whole Make everyone hate me thing usually refered to his time as emperor? Which would have been after the betrayal, right?
