Anime Code Geass Discussion

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coldrolxnd
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05:28:27 AM Oct 24th 2016
Someone went through and took out a lot of words that are central to understand the synopsis. Really weird
Mullon
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07:24:47 PM Aug 6th 2013
I miss the giant list of crossed out things.
Laevatein
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02:20:03 PM Aug 19th 2012
Since there are now a number of Code Geass works, should we revise the namespacing to have "Franchise: Code Geass" as a general page about the franchise, and "Anime: Code Geass Lelouch of the Rebellion" for the first anime?
SeptimusHeap
08:59:58 AM Aug 20th 2012
Yes.
MadManX
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08:19:06 PM Nov 10th 2011
What's all this new garbage on the front page now? Seems like a whole bunch of Justification Edit here. I mean, "Although the setting for the series is otherwies clearly grounded in very hard science, C.C. offers Lelouch a deal which results in Lelouch gaining a supernatural power called "Geass", a glowing symbol in his eye..." Yeah, tell that to Gundam or Armored Core, or better yet, Humongous Mecha. IMO, most of this stuff belongs to analysis tab.
Osric
03:13:41 AM Nov 18th 2011
Haven't read through it all properly yet, but on a skim I'm inclined to agree. This is far too long for a summary and looks to be class-A bait for Hype Backlash besides. Some of it would be mighty interesting on the Analysis tab, but on the front page? Seriously?

I'll go pare some of it down to size once I've actually read it properly. Unless someone else wants to take that responsibility, of course.
person5455426
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07:39:15 AM Sep 24th 2011
I have this obscure reference in the English sub to a certain japanese song which my japanese friend pointed out. Is it worth adding to the wiki? If so where? Here if you want to check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXam0jp23gw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HDcTXEk2SM&feature=related (about 8:30) Note: the song he's humming is about a ca which hides under the blanket

person5455426
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04:11:02 PM Sep 17th 2011
When does Code Geass get interesting for many people? I'm trying to get my sister addicted. She says its boring so far.
Oreochan
09:56:59 AM Sep 19th 2011
You should probably take this to the forums. Because discussion pages are for talking about the article not the show.
Antheia
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05:58:44 PM Aug 8th 2011
I'm putting this here for now; I'm not sure where it fits, if anywhere, but it doesn't really belong on the main page:

Antheia
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04:01:49 PM Aug 7th 2011
Pulled Captain Ersatz from the main page; I don't think it fits. Look at the picture on the Captain Ersatz page. That's a Captain Ersatz: a carbon copy, with the name changed for legal reasons. A Captain Ersatz with multiple sources doesn't even make any sense.

  • Captain Ersatz: A decent number of characters are expies of or inspired by characters from different works, some of which are owned by Sunrise. In many cases, these tend to overlap with each other, especially when it comes to Lelouch, who's got to be inspired by a small army of other characters from different works. Go ahead and watch the show, and see how many Evangelion, Mobile Suit Gundam, and CLAMP characters you can spot: and then notice which ones are inspired by multiple sources. The Britannian Imperial Family has its own entry on the Fridge Brilliance Anime page, due to its similarities to the Zabi and Peacecraft families.

Feinoha
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09:38:12 PM Jul 22nd 2011
Not sure this qualifies

  • Awesome, but Impractical: Slash harkens — the rocket-propelled, tethered projectiles used by almost every Knightmare Frame — were devised by the show's mechanical designers because they figured the machines should have a weapon without ammunition limits. At first glance they seem to be a practical alternative but, as anyone who's done winch recovery with 4wd's can tell you, there are several dangers involved with trying to wind up a metal cable under tension, especially at high speed, namely the cable breaking (which is very very BAD as said broken cable will whip back and slice through ANYTHING in its path) or getting tangled on the spool, rendering the entire winch unit useless. The show had this happen all of once, to Kallen in the first episode, and it was implied to be crappy parts more than bad design. Knightmares themselves could be argued as such, but the the MST3K Mantra fully applies in this case.
LordKnightcon
09:51:13 PM Mar 7th 2012
What's wrong with it? Slash harkens are definitely used to accomplish many awesome things in the show, from enhanced mobility to various forms of attack. And there is nothing factually wrong with that assessment of cable winches in real life. Certainly qualifies as Fridge Logic if nothing else.
dchimp
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10:49:21 PM Dec 18th 2010
Please stop adding evil vs evil. Despite some moral ambiguity, the show is clearly black and gray
cclosina
07:36:37 PM Dec 30th 2010
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CharredKnight
07:40:45 PM Dec 30th 2010
I think Lelouch starts off gray but the guy clearly loses it, and becomes his father. The only difference is that they don't agree on how to achieve peace. What he achieves doesn't even come close to making up for brainwashing people, using those people as sacrifices so you can do things like blow up a Volcano killing everyone nearby.
azul120
07:45:49 PM Dec 30th 2010
He only loses it after the betrayal, leading up to the Zero Requiem.

And Grey and Gray Morality between Suzaku and the Black Knights? They both proved to be selfish and myopic at different yet critical points.

Yeah, up yours Ohgi. Thanks for causing the Zero Requiem.
Scc
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01:03:00 AM Nov 28th 2010
Old Man Ho Oh, may not have been right in deleting this from the page, it might be a bit forced but it does provide a good insight into the character and the show, so I'm stashing it here for safe keeping (or at least the are to reproduce part) villain anti-hero terrorist freedom fighter murderer savior V clone Light Yagami Expy Char Clone Batman washer-dryer combo man Zero
71.60.80.96
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08:54:31 AM Nov 14th 2010
So, what about episode 25 of R2?
cclospina
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03:53:47 PM Oct 31st 2010
Do not understand why I can not put Lelouch as a Villain Protagonist, being that even regarded himself as a villain.

"~'When there is evil in this world that justice cannot defeat.Would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil?Or would you remain steadfast & righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?""

Haven
03:57:05 PM Oct 31st 2010
It's on his character sheet.
azul120
04:00:59 PM Oct 31st 2010
That is basically him saying the end justifies the means. In other words, it's more the net result he's referring to, especially given that he essentially has no alternative. (Not to mention that in that particular scenario, the fight against Guilford, what he is doing is more chaotic than evil.) A Villain Protagonist is basically a protagonist who is just plain evil, a la Light Yagami.
cclospina
08:06:14 PM Nov 1st 2010
The requiem zero represented the deaths of thousands even millions of inocents.

I think this act is enough to qualify as a Neutral Evil and Villain Protagonist.

azul120
12:57:03 PM Nov 14th 2010
Apples and oranges. That happened due to him jumping the Despair Event Horizon following Nunnally's apparent demise and the Black Knights' ill-advised betrayal. He's more of a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds at that point.
Yengeon
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08:24:56 PM Apr 17th 2010
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No Zettai Ryouiki trope? IIRC, many characters have the high legging with short bottom wear. Not everyone wore a skirt but, still.
98.14.11.149
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12:57:24 PM Apr 1st 2010
Shouldn't there be pages for the other manga? The Suzaku and the Lelouch one?
72.231.24.33
08:10:16 PM May 31st 2010
Or actually, there needs to be a page for the "main" one that has the same name as the series. It's also one of the only Code Geass manga with online chapter scans, and translated ones, so it's more easy to trope.
74.64.15.17
07:49:41 PM Jul 2nd 2010
Not to mention it's licensed in NA.
66.138.203.101
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12:45:08 PM Mar 18th 2010
Unknown Troper: Seriously, the idiots who keep trying to equate Britannia to the United States or the United Kingdom need to sit down and shut up. Britannia is nothing like either country; the culture is nothing like either country, the politics are nothing like either country, and for God's sake, Pendragon is not even in the same place as Washington D.C.

Can we just not try and slip in "So Yeah it's really the U.S./the U.K/both and that means they're Evil Americans and/or Brits" crap?!
urutapu
03:35:06 PM Mar 19th 2010
...What does this have to do with the accuracy of USJ as a translation?

Anyway, I suppose "United States of Japan" isn't perfectly accurate, but it would be stupid to destroy the parallelism by translating it some other way.
66.138.203.101
09:28:56 PM Mar 20th 2010
That was meant for the people who repeatedly added Natter insisting in trope examples that Britannia is meant to be a Take That! to either the U.S. or the U.K. It doesn't have quite so much to do with the "Blind Idiot" Translation that was deleted.

And to be honest, "United States of Japan" is a perfectly reasonable translation of the phrase. A check with Jeffrey's J/E Dictionary confirms that the only associated meanings with "gasshuukoku" is either United States of America or Federal State—in fact, using the "pattern anywhere" search with J/E Dictionary reveals that "gasshuukoku" is almost universally used in reference to the United States of America.

The phrase itself does not mean what the ranting troper claimed it meant.

It stands to reason, then, that the fan translators and official importing companies are not blind idiots for their usage of "United States" for this phrase. Could the individual characters be taken to mean "masses of people" or whatever? Perhaps. Yet, if Sunrise and CLAMP meant to convey such a meaning, surely they would have used something commonly used in Japan to mean just that.
69.0.8.110
01:13:03 PM Apr 24th 2010
The fact of the matter is, both the term Federal State and United States of X do not apply to Japan as used, simply because there is no indication that Japan was anything but one whole country before it was conquered. The only logical explanation for this was that the Japanese word for "United States" did not actually have the same meaning, which as has been proved, it didn't. The kanji for gasshuukoku means united populace country. To be fair, there is an alternate spelling of gasshuukoku that means united province country, but that is not the one usually used, and there's no in-story reason to use /that/ spelling either. I wish I could tell you why America Populace Country became the default spelling in Japan, but I don't know the answer. I do know that to the average Japanese person, America is the America United Populace Country, states or provinces don't come into the equation at all.

Do you understand? Gasshuukoku is a functional translation of United States, not a literal one. Because of that, when translated back in code geass, the English meaning no longer makes sense. Naturally, when you look up either United States or gasshuukoku in a J/E dictionary you're going to find America listed as a definition, because it's the only country with that title. (Mexico too, but when's the last time you've heard Mexico called "The United Mexico States," even in America?)

Now is Blind Idiot Translation a little harsh? Probably, but that's the trope name, so what do you want? If there's another trope for when the given translation induces confusion and plot holes when there are better translations for the situation available, link it to me.

"Yet, if Sunrise and CLAMP meant to convey such a meaning, surely they would have used something commonly used in Japan to mean just that."

They did.
216.160.64.33
04:42:25 PM Jan 20th 2011
It's funny b'cuz I read somewhere (I can't find it now) that Britannia isn't supposed to be like the USA. The director said that Britannia was supposed to be like Japan in WWII.
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