Discussion WMG / FiveNightsAtFreddys4

A theory I've had for a while on the phone guy; he might be the kid's brother. Somewhere it was mentioned that the older brother is atoning for what he caused in the 4th game. The older brother was also seen wearing a foxy mask, and the phone guy mentioned that foxy was always his favorite. I was thinking that phone guy might be the older brother in the future, atoning for his past by trying to prevent the same incident from ever happening again.

Just a theory though!

Moved from the "Bite Victim Could See Ghosts" WMG entry. The folders are packed full enough without this mess making the page longer with circular arguments.

Severel problems. For starters, while this troper believes the shadows were indeed ghosts, they aren't actually in the game (unless I missed something). Fredbear and Spring Bonnie's shadows are obvious references to them, but it's doubtful they're actually the spirits themselves. Next, the Fredbear plush was most definitely his imaginary friend and not an actual monster. And if he "saved Goldie" then how did he possess the plush? Also, it's doubtful the child is the puppet. There's a direct reference to the murders (a child mentions it) and if they're already possessing the animatronics then the Puppet should already exist. And where did the child get psychic powers!? Still, him hating the place because of the ghosts is likely.

• Did you miss the part where the game is a supernatural horror story? Lots of games have characters who can see ghosts. We even have a trope name for it: I See Dead People. Shadow Freddy and Shadow Bonnie are in the game (in the background of the party room, you can see two distinctly-purple shadows of Freddy and Bonnie springlock suits when there's already a real Freddy and a Bonnie on the floor, during one of the minigames). And the Fredbear plush is a ghost, he doesn't need to be a monster, it's just how the kid sees him. According to this WMG, the crying kid becomes the Puppet and Golden Freddy is the ghost of Purple Guy's first victim, and although the murders happen over the course of the week before the party, the suits aren't possessed yet and the WMG doesn't say they are, so I don't know why you're arguing that.
• My problem with him having psychic powers wasn't that he could see ghosts, IT'S THAT HE'S THE ONLY PERSON ON EARTH WHO HAS PSYCHIC POWERS. Purple Guy could see them too. And no, those weren't "the Shadows". They WERE Shadows, but not the characters. They never do anything and are in plain sight. Also, there's a kid who mentions how the animatronics are out to kill people at nigh and stuff them into costumes, meaning they're already haunted and, like I said, the Puppet should already exist. She doesn't call them ghosts or anything, SHE OUTRIGHT SAYS THEY'LL HIDE YOUR BODY.
• That only assumes that the only murders ever carried out were the ones in the Missing Children Incident, and we know that isn't true because at least six other deaths occurred that we see, but are never mentioned (the ones from Go! Go! Go!) in anything official: exactly the kind of stuff that gets rumors started. Rumors have plagued this restaurant practically since it began, and that only points to the Bite Victim becoming the Puppet anyway: he heard the rumor about them putting the bodies in the suits, so that's what he did. And the shadows were the Shadow characters, because there are only two springlock suits, and no, there aren't two types of suits, there are two suits: Phone Guy says the Spring Bonnie suit was moved, not a Spring Bonnie suit. Since Purple Guy is using one and someone else is using the other, there is nobody to cast those shadows (and Golden Freddy's shadow doesn't move when he appears onscreen before the kid collapses in tears), therefore, the Shadow Freddy and Shadow Bonnie in that scene are the characters and not just random shadows.
• Still, she said it was the animatronics. The withered animatronics are clearly around (this troper thinks they were phasing Fredbear's out and the bite was the final nail on the coffin) and the Puppet vision implied there was a Golden Freddy at their location. We see the Puppet give life to those 5 animatronics, and there's nothing those other 6 could've used to start the rumors. And the toys' ghosts most likely died at their location. Which doesn't exist yet.
• That location does exist (Bite of '87, FNAF 2 happens in 1987), and the Toy animatronics aren't haunted, they don't have ghosts.
• Okay one, no it shouldn't. Fredbear's is still open despite Phone Guy outright saying it was closed for years and Fredbear being out of order, proving this isn't the bite of 87. Second, they HAD to be haunted. They act just as haunted as every other character in the series and remember the second set of murdered children in the Foxy minigame?
• It has Fredbear, it's not Fredbear's Family Diner, because if it was Fredbear's Family Diner, the Toys wouldn't exist at all. And no, the Toys are not haunted, their facial recognition is damaged. They act "haunted" because they're trying to harm the night guard, but they're doing that because they can't tell the difference between security guards anymore. Remember how they started acting strange around adults? The second set of murdered children were shown having been killed in Foxy's minigame, which means those bodies could not possibly have ended up in the Toy animatronics because a) they didn't exist and b) what kind of idiot kills kids in a restaurant, stages them in such a way that it triggers a performance routine, and then brings them to another location of the same franchise to dispose of the bodies? Those kids aren't ghosts, they're just dead, that's why the ending of FNAF 3 is "The End" with only five animatronics.
• 1.You just repeated my point. 2.That's evidence they were haunted; they couldn't trust adults because they knew one killed them. 3.Who said they automatically became the toys? 4.The happiest day minigame showed 5 other, clearly separate ghosts (granted, they wore masks that looked nothing like the toys but who else could they be!?)
• No, there's a difference between a restaurant having the Fredbear character and it being the original diner that closed. The character outlived the original diner. And no, their facial recognition had been tampered with by Purple Guy, there is no evidence they were ever haunted. They're dead, but not in the animatronics.
• Then why have Fredbear at a place and establish a second murder incident!?
• What "second murder incident"? Obviously there were multiple murders, but that only establishes that the killer(s) have been using the place as a hunting ground for years, it has nothing to do with the franchise itself or how it operates. We see 11 victims, but only from the perspective of the animatronics: the events in the game only show us that the Missing Children Incident (the 5 who went into the suits and lead to an arrest) is the only incident that was ever noticed by the public, which means Fredbear's presence or lack of presence is irrelevant: by that point, he had been phased out of the regular cast anyway.
• The toys not being haunted is offically jossed http://steamcommunity.com/games/388090/announcements/detail/125327007944045364 the "almost" he was reffering to was Phone Guy being the killer. And my point with the more than 5 deaths thing was why would Scott establish that if it never went anywhere!?
• You're gonna have to find me the part about the Toys being haunted in that article, because I don't know where you think it says that, but I didn't find any mention of them. Phone Guy doesn't have to be the killer for the FNAF 4 kid to be able to see ghosts, so I don't know why you're even bringing that up. And it doesn't go nowhere. The other murders establish that Purple Guy is a serial killer who's been plaguing the pizzeria for an extended period of time, and what we're focused on for most of the plot is how he finally got Hoist by His Own Petard. It's a horror story. Part of the brilliance of the story is that it might as well be Adult Fear, the Game.
• Wow, you REALLY don't seem to get what I'm saying, do you? 1.He said Mat Pat's timeline was (mostly) correct. Part of it was the toys being haunted, and most of the evidence comes from the third game. 2.I mentioned that in-case you counterattacked me by saying "he was referring to the toys being haunted" 3.That still doesn't really mean anything. My point is there's no reason to establish these incidents since we only hear about them once and could've only happened at a time WHEN THE TOYS COULD'VE GOTTEN LIFE. And no, I'm not acting like FNAF isn't a horror game. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF IT.
• Nnno, you're getting mad because you've derailed a WMG into a completely tangent topic and I'm not buying your explanation. The thing that irritates me about the "almost everything right" post is that everyone assumes that Scott was only talking about Phone Guy not being the killer and nothing else. He never specifies in that article, or anywhere else, that it's the only thing Game Theory was wrong about; he only says that Mat Pat's timeline is almost correct. He's pretty good at the whole Ambiguous Situation thing, and I don't go in for people declaring their theory to be the sole correct one when they're building it based on assumptions and not facts, so you and I are not going to agree on this and I don't appreciate your attitude.

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Post release needs to be fixed.

I'm trying to add my own theory, but whenever I preview it, the post-release folders break. What am I doing wrong?

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Jokubas please stop checking out

It's amusing at how 90% of the theories on the WMG page are jossed.

enduring

I don't get the fredbear gangster joke, Pro me, what is it?