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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
Mar 5th 2020 at 2:07:05 AM •••

Spoilers for Season 2 ahead:

We would like to discuss which name the double-sleeved Kovacs from Season 2 should go by on this wiki since he is not consistently named outside of it. Several options:

  • He is being referred to as Evergreen three times during the series
  • He is named Kovacs Prime on IM Db and in the official subtitles (27 times)
  • He is named Stronghold Kovacs on Rotten Tomatoes
  • Other options

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Mar 5th 2020 at 8:53:01 AM •••

My choice is Evergreen both because it's the only name that shows up in the actual series, but it's also the least confusing. Why is this one the Prime Kovacs, when the other one is older and is the one we've been following him the entire time? And "Stronghold Kovacs" is a terrible name, because he has nothing to do with Stronghold at all.

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
Mar 5th 2020 at 11:51:51 PM •••

What was he called in the novel? Apparently, they adopted the third book of the series for Season 2.

Unsung Since: Jun, 2016
Mar 6th 2020 at 4:52:14 PM •••

I'm thinking the original intent was something along the lines of prime as in the symbol [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_%28symbol%29]? I am not a mathematician, by any means, and I think maybe the intent got lost in translation at some point. But as opposed to Kovacs, Kovacs-Prime, Kovacs-II, -III, etc, I'm guessing the idea was that it would be more along the lines of Kovacs our hero, Kovacs-prime the first copy, Kovacs-double-prime, Kovacs-triple-prime, etc. But I could be way off. Again, totally not my area.

But Kovacs Prime is what Netflix uses for their subtitles as well, so I'm inclined to go with that just for clarity's sake, rather than a sort of Comic-Book Movies Don't Use Codenames name that's not going to be familiar to viewers who haven't read the books. But I'm open to being convinced otherwise, especially if the books don't have a separate Characters page.

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zarpaulus Since: Jan, 2001
Mar 6th 2020 at 6:27:16 PM •••

The novels are first-person from the older Kovacs' perspective, with occasional interludes from the younger's. They don't really have set names, they just refer to one another as some variant of "that guy" or "that little shit".

CaptainCrawdad Since: Aug, 2009
Feb 7th 2018 at 8:48:24 PM •••

Removed from Adaptation-Induced Plot Hole:

  • There's also no reason why Reileen Kawahara couldn't get her brother out much earlier.
  • Laurens' Adaptational Villainy makes his suicide less understandable.

Reileen says it was difficult to get Takeshi out. We don't have any details about the processes of doing so in either work, as I recall, so that really isn't an example.

As for Laurens' villainy, his character is established to be fooling himself into believing that he's a man of conscience in the series, which is enough motivation.

odinkirk Since: Feb, 2010
Jan 26th 2018 at 10:11:28 PM •••

According to the Netflix trailers, it looks like they're almost remaking the Envoys into a mix of the Catholics (from the book) and a Proud Warrior Ideology built around it.

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