PaulA
Since: Jan, 2010
Mar 29th 2010 at 6:12:58 AM
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"Ella orders herself not to be obedient" is a kind of cheap rules-lawyering that the book does not do; it makes a point of not ever letting the characters take an easy way out.
I counted that as reason #1 in my parenthesis, but really it's kind of reason #0. The two proper in-story reasons are:
- In the book, Ella is not able to give herself orders.
- In the book, orders last only until somebody gives a conflicting order; so even if she could tell herself not to be obedient, or get somebody else to, it would only last until the next time somebody told her to obey them.
PaulA
Since: Jan, 2010
May 24th 2016 at 2:17:47 AM
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- Karma Houdini: Arguably, Ella's stepfamily. While Hattie never marries the prince (or at all), neither she nor her the rest of her family are punished for abusing Ella. Though Dame Olga is still married to Ella's greedy, unscrupulous father, and is magically forced to love him. One also could argue that Ella being able to fight back (among other things, she reclaimed the necklace that Hattie took from her) is a blow to their pride, as is the knowledge that Ella could have them all arrested, should she want to.
Examples Are Not Arguable, so I've moved this to the discussion page, where it can be argued over as much as people like.
For myself, I would say Dame Olga's fate is definitely enough to disqualify her from being a Karma Houdini. Her daughters I'm less certain about.
PaulA
Since: Jan, 2010
Jan 24th 2012 at 8:34:26 AM
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- Curse Escape Clause: Ella breaks the curse with her willpower, just like in the book. She even does it in some kind of an example of Loophole Abuse, as right before she's going to stab Char, she tells herself to never be obedient again.
Okay, seriously — is it "willpower, just like in the book", or is it Loophole Abuse? It can't really be both.
Edited by PaulA
If this is going to become Conversation In The Main Page, it belongs on the discussion page:
- Curse Escape Clause: Ella breaks the spell by telling her reflection in a mirror not to be obedient. (There are at least three reasons why this wouldn't have worked in the book, incidentally.)
- Really? This troper thought she broke it through sheer force of will.
- And those 3 reasons are what, exactly?
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