Fire Emblem

I don't think there were plans for a third route either since they split the story up into two paths originally. Only realizing they could make a cheap solution by making us Pay for it and some of the answers locked behind it.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I certainly do have things I thought Fates could've improved on, but the stuff I thought needed improvement didn't ruin the game for me in the slightest, and I personally felt the game did so much right that I'm willing to give them a pass on the things I felt didn't work out.

Thing is, I rarely ever talk about things I don't like because, well, I would rather talk to people about stuff we like rather than stuff we don't like. I don't have fun talking about stuff I don't like, and listening to people complain about stuff they don't like is not fun either, especially in scenarios where the complainers get incredibly defensive or even downright hostile. You could say I'm a firm believer in what Fighteer says here:

This isn't just for Fates, mind you. I enjoyed every single Fire Emblem game I've ever played regardless of what I felt were flaws, and I would rather much like to talk to people about things we enjoyed from the games rather than listen to people wonking about the story of Fates, the maps of Echoes, how much Roy apparently sucks as a Lord, how Sacred Stones is too easy, etc. etc.

EDIT: I lost everything after the quote when I hit sumbit. Short version of it is that Anakos is only relevant to Revelation so he can't really take away the personal aspect of the story unless you assume Revelation is more canon than Birthright and Conquest.

Edited by Chariot on Jul 22nd 2018 at 10:14:54 AM

I totally agree with your sentiment there, Dragonfire.

Tbh my enjoyment of many franchises has been a bit hampered by a lot of negativity that comes in their respective threads I've joined. FE and Persona being notable cases for me.

I can understand it, but there's never any harm in discussing both the pros and cons. Ignoring one or the other isn't always the best. It also makes discussions one-sided at times.

Edited by erazor0707 on Jul 22nd 2018 at 7:19:23 AM

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.

He's relevant as his actions are what fuel the conflict from the shadows.

• Why is Garon a slime? Anankos.
• Who was producing the Vallites and caused Mikoto's death? Anankos.
• Who possesses Takumi in both routes? Anankos.
• Why does Azura's song work the way it does? Anankos Emo Dragon Poetry.
• Why can Iago get all these spiffy new powers in Birthright? Anankos dragon blood was used to empower him.
• Who does Gooron mention praising? Anankos.
• Who wants Gooron to make Corn suffer for the sake of suffering? Anankos.
• Azura's Pendant? Fragment of Anankos dragonstone.
• Why does the Emo Dragon Poetry hint at all of this? Because Anankos wrote about his own death and his dragonspawn as he tried to use it to keep himself from going crazy.

But Corn is too dumb to question Azura when he can so the answers to a number of these are left unsaid.

Edit: He's basically the Nergal of Fates but all his backstory is hidden behind a paywall instead of hidden behind a hard story mode of the third playable character and still requires a ton of requirements.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 22nd 2018 at 7:27:00 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Yes, in an ideal setting, there is no harm in discussing pros and cons. However, I've found that in a lot of online forums, "discussions" of cons tend to devolve into straight-up complaining and ranting, and that such negativity has a tendency to drive people away. They're not fun to be in, especially when people get hostile or keep wonking and wonking and wonking and wonking and wonking...

Honestly, at this point, I really don't mind if discussions are one-sided towards discussing pros, because at least those discussions are fun to participate in, as opposed to having to listen to someone rant for the nth time why they think some game/movie/series/book is stupid.

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You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

I'll be as cynical as I want about a game I love!

It's not like anime/manga for me where the bad things overwhelm the good things and I can't appreciate it anymore. Talking about the good stuff I'll leave to everyone else.

The powers Iago has like tapping into Anankos influence on Takumi, reviving an undead dragon that's become a Fortress, etc. are all bestowed by Garon. It's Anankos blood.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 22nd 2018 at 7:36:25 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Alright, off to Valla for us! Now I've got the entire cast bar the kids and the secret characters, so it should be smooth sailing from here!

Iago and Hans are still really boring by the way.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."

None of that makes him relevant though. In Birthright he's only mentioned once at the very end and there's no implication that he has anything to do with any of the things you've mentioned when it happens as it's just Garon asking for more power. Now I haven't played Conquest but comparing the scripts he's only slightly more relevant there but even then only in the early chapters. Sure you can assume his possession of Takumi in Conquest applies to Birthright as well but that's never confirmed.

Just because he gets a passing mention in both games doesn't mean he's actually relevant to them. He never shows up himself and while he may have influenced some parts of the routes you wouldn't know that if you hadn't played Revelation. As such, you can't really say he is relevant to Birthright/Conquest.

I was wondering if anyone had any advice for training Effie and Arthur. I neglected them on my Conquest run so I do want to use them in this one, but of course they're way behind. Thoughts?

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."

Garon communes with his master who tells him to make Corn suffer. In fact near the end he even admits he should have killed him instead of obeyed after his slime form was unveiled in dialogue. Corns response is bluntly "Anankos? Who's that".

This applies to Birthright as well. It's why he tells him he chose this path after taking his dragon form. He let Corn live so long to suffer and then be killed as his master desires, but it isn't obvious until Conquest.

Just like Leo knows Garon is a slime monster thanks to the crystal ball Azura gives in Birthright but he's daddy so all Leo will do is kill Iago.

Also that's wrong. In both stories Takumi ends up near the Canyon and falls in. Azura instantly recognizes what's happend to Takumi on Birthright, while she doesn't figure it out yet on Conquest till it's too late. It's why her song works because her song weakens/nerfs Anankos influence on others. Thus it weakened Takumi's possession but didn't remove it just like it didn't remove his influence on Garon in both. Just weakened him especially on Conquest.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 22nd 2018 at 9:13:04 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I guess I forgot that line, though it makes sense.

Now if only Iago had more actual substance to him. I remember someone theorizing he's actually from Valla, not Nohr, and just serves Garon as a way of serving Anankos. There's nothing in canon to imply it but it would be cooler.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

Don't worry the story never directly stated in the first place. Nibelung is where they came out and said directly Garon has fresh Anankos blood to give to worthy underlings and Iago takes the bait to murder Corn and them directly.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 22nd 2018 at 9:14:59 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I checked the scripts before making my last post and none of this happens in Birthright. The only mention of Anankos in Birthright is at the very end when Garon asks him for more power but like I said, Anankos never shows up in the game and is only mentioned that one time so no, he isn't relevant to Birthright.

Your point? The only reason you know that is because you have information from the other routes and with the routes being mutually exclusive what happens in one route doesn't apply to all of them.

Especially since what you're saying isn't even true. Per Takumi's page on the wikia in Brithright he's being controlled by Iago so there's no possession there, just mind control. Now the wikia does say he was possessed in Conquest but it uses Revelation as a source for that so take that with a grain of salt. In essence, Takumi is really only confirmed to be possessed in Revelation.

That's because they took the original story and separated it into routes. All these things are relevant, but Birthright doesn't give any answers and lets you play out your bad end without any idea you've doomed yourself as Heirs of Fates nicely shows. With the kids coming from numerous Alternate Timeline where Anankos goes for a divide and conquer strategy to destroy their worlds and they have to fix things.

Conquest gives more overt hints with Garon directly talking to his master and even going directly to Valla for a chapter. But Corrin is still left in the dark and Heirs of Fate falls on them.

Takumi was possessed in the Bottomless Canyon in Valla. That's where his recollection fades. Possession is a skill Anankos himself possesses and uses on others and it's why Iago with a dragon boost can spy on them. Iago only admits he was possessed and using that via magic to spy on them but he never states he's the one who did it.

Edit: They they point out it happens in the Bottomless Canyon and they want to know who did it /what happend to him

Also wiki pages can be inaccurate especially if people don't fix them.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 22nd 2018 at 10:39:51 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Funny you should mention that. Except my experience cause me to become incredibly bitter about interacting with the others.

Interesting, that was one of my prime reasons for giving up on anime & manga. Except I've come to despise anime & manga on an irrational level now.

Back on topic

Interesting comparison, except I personally believe that Anankos is the better antagonist to begin with.

Edited by agent-trunks on Jul 22nd 2018 at 10:22:27 AM

I wonder what roles dragons will play in Three Houses. The trailer showed dragons prominently in that one picture that seems to depict the goddess, so maybe they're some sort of divine beings meant to serve the goddess? Or, if the goddess herself turns out to be a dragon, they're basically the first race of the world?

Only in Archanea based timelines.

Dragons + other Laguz and Beorc are all subspecies of the same race in Tellius.

x2 I definitely don't disagree with that. Nergal takes so much for so little of his past it's hard to get into it.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 22nd 2018 at 10:38:59 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I'm curious to see how they're going to tackle this subject. This has been a re occurring plot for the Fire Emblem series.

You know, I was always thought that Validar was as low a villain can get in this series & I figured there no way but up from here. Then I see villains like Nergal & Jedah who seems to be only better by a default.

Edited by agent-trunks on Jul 22nd 2018 at 11:29:49 AM

Jedah manages to give convincing arguments while being Obviously Evil and filling it with lies too. Makes it easier to manipulate a princess who has too much faith in the gods and a martyr complex brought on by being royalty.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I thought Validar was a decent villain, with his fatalistic outlook in life being a good foil to the protagonists' belief that fate is not set in stone. He's like a saner version of the sort of villain you'd find in Call of Cthulhu, and I really like his design.

Nergal's another villain I really liked. Discovering that he was heavily implied to be the father of Ninian and Nils was one of those big "Whoa" moments for me when I was still new to the series, and one thing I look forward to seeing in an Elibe remake is the Ereshkigal spell animated. I also really like his design.

Jedah's hilariously evil looking and his arguments are as convincing as a bug-eyed madman telling you that having the Great Old Ones eat your family is a good thing while trying to cut your eyes out at the same time, but that's why I find him so entertaining. And again, I really dig his design.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:14:17 PM

Except they go on to later show that he was stating the truth for a good deal of it, much to Celicas shock. Lying only about the things he himself can do.

Of course he leaves out just enough that Celica would be willing to agree once she sees it for herself. Like it takes both Brand bearers as sacrifices to restore Dumas sanity but he only lets her think her alone will suffice.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:35:25 PM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

There's nothing wrong with acknowledging and discussing negatives and things you disliked. If it doesn't carry a hostile tone, let it happen.

Quite frankly, you seem to try change the subject at the first chance you get when discussion leans towards the negative.