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TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
rollin' on dubs
Jun 4th 2019 at 9:09:12 PM

I don't think it will last. The Army thought caseless or flechettes were the thing in The '80s.

The mechanism is too complex for a rifle that's going to get the "moon dust" of the Middle East or the sticky, sticky mud of Asia.

It'll be a flash in the pan.

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MajorTom Eye'm the cutest! Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Eye'm the cutest!
Jun 4th 2019 at 9:40:45 PM

The mechanism is too complex for a rifle that's going to get the "moon dust" of the Middle East or the sticky, sticky mud of Asia.

If that thing spends a week in Colorado it'll either be gummed up forever from the dusty clay of the high plains and foothills, or plugged up from the sand and dust of the San Luis Valley (and the Sand Dunes National Monument) or it'll get seized up from the "moon dust" silt of the Fountain Creek floodplain bordering Fort Carson.

You don't find much sticky mud here though. At least, at any point outside of May and early June. The kaolinite clay formed from granite in the mountains is in thin amounts or on slopes very slippery shit but at the bottoms of canyons and valleys it can turn into a very boggy quicksand type of mud. You find a lot of that kind of mud in what is called "mud season" which is mostly centered around May at the higher elevations.

If it couldn't survive here, it's not going to do any better in Korea or Afghanistan.

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
AngelusNox Burn it down from somewhere in the night Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Burn it down
Jun 15th 2019 at 5:10:11 PM

And I got to put 30 rounds downrange during training with a .40 Glock.

Welp. There are guns and guns, comparing to my handling with the Taurus 24/7 and the Glock, I can tell that they are worlds apart in performance.

I basically handled the Glock the same way I did with the 24/7 for aimed fire, two shots rapid and semi-sighted instinctive two shots rapid.

The recoil, grip and overall accuracy were a night and day difference, I managed to shoot more accurately with the Glock and pretty much all the shots landed center mass and close to each other.

It pains me that I'll be certainly be issued a 24/7 and I finally see why the Glock managed to be a massively popular gun.

Also, screw Taurus for their shitty overpriced, unreliable, poor ergonomics and inaccurate handguns

Inter arma enim silent leges
Jun 15th 2019 at 5:25:48 PM

IMHO Glocks are the best defensive/combat sidearm available, bar none.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Jun 15th 2019 at 7:43:47 PM

.40 cal makes me sad though

Oh really when?
TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Jun 15th 2019 at 8:15:27 PM

Glock makes some good guns. .40 S&W is fine as long as you are aware of the higher recoil but 9mm shoots more smoothly.

"Who watches the watchmen?"
AFP The Great and Wonderful from The Pale Blue Dot Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Great and Wonderful
Jun 15th 2019 at 8:23:22 PM

Mostly I dislike the lack of a safety selector and the weird trigger. Not a fan of the hammerless design either, but it is what it is.

Quod Scripsi Scripsi (until I use the edit function...)
Jun 15th 2019 at 8:47:47 PM

The lack of a safety is a benefit, if you ask me. Especially for police. With a Glock you draw and shoot, thatís quite literally all there is to it.

9mm is more than enough to get the job done so Iím not too worried about .40s.

[up][up] Have you checked out the 19X yet? Iím interested to hear your thoughts on it.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 15th 2019 at 8:57:14 AM

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Jun 15th 2019 at 8:50:03 PM

I'm in the not liking the safety boat.

You can tell me about why it's objectively better and you're probably going to be right but it still just creeps me out.

I like having a manual control I have to mess with

Edited by LeGarcon on Jun 15th 2019 at 11:51:04 AM

Oh really when?
Jun 15th 2019 at 8:59:29 PM

[up] Trust me, thatíll go right out the window the second you have to actually shoot at someone.

And if youíre following a proper manual of arms a safety isnít going to be an issue either way.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Jun 15th 2019 at 9:42:56 PM

See you're absolutely right but it still just seriously creeps me out to shoot one.

I don't like grip safeties either like on the 1911.

I also don't like 1911s in general honestly.

I'm a man with very particular taste in handguns

Edited by LeGarcon on Jun 15th 2019 at 12:43:47 PM

Oh really when?
MajorTom Eye'm the cutest! Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Eye'm the cutest!
Jun 16th 2019 at 8:39:12 AM

The lack of a safety is a benefit, if you ask me. Especially for police.

And yet there's been a large rash of "Glock leg" incidents because of that lack of manual safety. Particularly among law enforcement officers. There's a lot of documented instances where police departments transition away from service revolvers and manual safety automatics like the 1911 to safety-less Glocks and see a surge of ND's as a result.

And it's not simply a lack of training issue. It's snags, poor holsters, impaired use, uber-light trigger pull (mostly an aftermarket thing but still), and a number of other causes. That FBI guy who shot someone at a nightclub in Denver last year would never have had that happen had he had a manual safety and one that was engaged.

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
Jun 16th 2019 at 8:44:19 AM

[up] I doubt youíll find any documented evidence of a long-term increase in NDs among police issued with Glocks, most likely because Glocks being more dangerous has always been an urban legend. Youíre asserting facts that simply arenít true.

The reason there are more Glock NDs than any other handgun is because more Glocks are carried than any other handgun. Thatís about it.

Iíll also point out that it was standard practice for law enforcement to carry ďcocked and unlockedĒ before Glocks were common, so more likely than not that idiot would have still ended up shooting someone.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 16th 2019 at 8:51:05 AM

AngelusNox Burn it down from somewhere in the night Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Burn it down
Jun 19th 2019 at 11:12:28 PM

The lack of a safety is a benefit, if you ask me. Especially for police. With a Glock you draw and shoot, thatís quite literally all there is to it.

Well...SP Police Glocks are obliged to have an extra safety lock due to operational procedures rules, which pretty much require you to manually switch your sidearm from safe to unlocked during the draw move and to safe again when holstering.

There is some real red tape regarding weapon safety and use in the SP State Police.

Inter arma enim silent leges
NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia
The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24
Sep 17th 2019 at 4:27:33 PM

Gentlemen, I am afraid I had a bit too much money to spend.

Sure, it's airsoft, but some lunatics are peddling that underbarrel majigger as a firearm accessory, much to ATF's concern.

"Alice in Wonderland was about a chick getting high as fucking balls on a Hunter S. Thompson type list of drugs." - Mark Von Lewis
TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Sep 17th 2019 at 4:49:23 PM

Nice. Is that for play or for a prop?

"Who watches the watchmen?"
Sep 17th 2019 at 8:38:39 PM

Yeah, if you put that piece on a real firearm you might be in trouble. A foregrip that allows two-handed operation of a pistol makes the weapon an AOW, and you need a stamp for that.

Iím interested in checking out one of those new Flux braces. Gotta love bending the rules.

Also, is that pic rail section screwed directly into the slide?

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 17th 2019 at 8:39:34 AM

NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia
The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24
Sep 18th 2019 at 4:05:53 AM

[up][up] Intended as a prop, but fully functional and fully automatic. That and the follower in the long TM mag is a bit shorter so it doesn't engage the slide lock for some reason, so I can dry-fire it easily.

[up] No, the top rail mounts on the underbarrel RIS, and I cut out a part of it in order to make it fit the other bit (if you look closely, there's a blob of hot glue visible where the two devices join). When I have time, I'll take the measurements and have someone CNC two side plates that will join the two more solidly with the screws used to mount the side rails.

"Alice in Wonderland was about a chick getting high as fucking balls on a Hunter S. Thompson type list of drugs." - Mark Von Lewis
Sep 18th 2019 at 7:37:20 AM

[up] Depending on what youíre planning to put there you may want to stick with just one rail. I doubt youíd be able to fit a light and a laser that close together, for example.

If you can get your hands on it, replace the glue there with Loctite 242 or 222. You really donít want that assembly shifting since your sight is attached to it. Usually just a tiny little bit of 242 does the trick for scope mounts and things.

NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia
The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24
Sep 18th 2019 at 12:01:56 PM

Both bits hold by friction, and I'd have to use some serious epoxy cement to glue them together (and have a rail of a similar profile to the one molded on the gun's frame), as they're made of some weird plastic. The hot glue holds the two of them together, not to the gun.

"Alice in Wonderland was about a chick getting high as fucking balls on a Hunter S. Thompson type list of drugs." - Mark Von Lewis
Sep 18th 2019 at 12:59:41 PM

Yeah, if the part isnít attached to a rail youíre definitely gonna want a tougher epoxy. Hot glue might not hold up to repeated firing.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 18th 2019 at 1:01:00 AM

NotSoBadassLongcoat The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24 from People's Democratic Republic of Badassia
The Showrunner of Dzwiedz 24
Sep 18th 2019 at 4:08:57 PM

It is, but in a wobbly way. When I'm at the local hardware superstore, I'll look for something, I'd use Superglue but I know it has poor shear resistance.

"Alice in Wonderland was about a chick getting high as fucking balls on a Hunter S. Thompson type list of drugs." - Mark Von Lewis
MajorTom Eye'm the cutest! Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Eye'm the cutest!
Sep 20th 2019 at 9:43:16 PM

SOCOM Looks For Spotting Bullets For Replacing Tracers.

Yeah I don't see this ending well. It's on shaky ground when it comes to The Laws and Customs of War. All it'd take is a cell phone video of "brutal" US special operators using "inhumane" explosive ammo on an enemy and suddenly there's a massive and 100% avoidable PR shitstorm of epic proportions.

I personally would instead invest in One Way Luminescent (OWL) ammunition. All the benefits of tracers for the shooter but it doesn't work both ways.

Edited by MajorTom on Sep 20th 2019 at 9:43:33 AM

"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
TuefelHundenIV Watchman of the Apocalypse from Wandering Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchman of the Apocalypse
Sep 21st 2019 at 10:14:03 AM

Yeah, I agree with Tom on this one. Especially given the previous bad history of such rounds in WWII where both Russian and German snipers were using them for their explosive effects.

"Who watches the watchmen?"
Oct 18th 2019 at 4:10:06 PM

Garcon told me to share this here instead of just sharing it himself we got some details and images of the gun to replace the M4 when the switch to cased telescopic ammo happens...

One of the demands is that its a bull-pup.

We even got a picture of one of the prototypes, I have no idea whats up with the super derpy suppressor, and I am also concerned about the ejection on that one... it doesn't look very ambidextrous, even though every one who has handled the thing says the MDR has finally managed to solve side mounted ambidextrous ejection for bull pups.


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