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GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#9701: Apr 20th 2018 at 10:29:38 AM

There's also the fact that the young heroes they choose have some sort of legacy from the other, older heroes. Starfire, Raven, and Cyborg don't really fit that pattern.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#9702: Apr 20th 2018 at 10:54:26 AM

The presence of Traci Thirteen makes Raven a little less likely imo, since she fills the “goth-lite teenage sorceress trying to cope with her dangerous powers while dealing with a complicated family history” niche already.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#9703: Apr 20th 2018 at 10:56:23 AM

I have to say that's one Hell of a niche. tongue

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#9704: Apr 20th 2018 at 1:42:05 PM

You’d be surprised how common it is.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#9705: Apr 20th 2018 at 5:16:09 PM

Who in the blue blazes is Traci Thirteen?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#9706: Apr 20th 2018 at 5:17:28 PM

Traci Thirteen.

She's joining the team this season with a conspicuously less ethnic design as simply "Thirteen," but it's clearly her.

Also:

edited 20th Apr '18 5:26:01 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#9707: Apr 20th 2018 at 9:13:23 PM

And for the season finale, it'd be sweet if following Darkseid, Final Crisis style, Mandrakk tries to pull his shtick - though better foreshadowed - only for the Justice League and The Team, together, to fight and defeat him in a tremendous brawl.

Replete with Mandrakk absolutely baffled by how "children and sidekicks" are giving him so much trouble.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#9708: Apr 21st 2018 at 1:12:48 AM

I'm pretty sure the "sidekicks are as awesome as the adult heroes" message has been repeated so many times that the dead horse is not only atomized, every incarnation of it across the multiverse are dead and altered the past so that it was aborted when it was still in the womb. For their final enemy, I want someone that chooses not to underestimate them, which would better show them as equals to adult superheroes and not going off the advantage of being underestimated.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#9709: Apr 21st 2018 at 4:01:03 AM

[up]And yet teen saidekicks are still viewed as lesser characters by fans and writers alike. Guess that message hasn't been repeated enough to really sink in.

The presence of Traci Thirteen makes Raven a little less likely imo, since she fills the “goth-lite teenage sorceress trying to cope with her dangerous powers while dealing with a complicated family history” niche already.
Um, that doesn’t sound like Traci. The only part of this that sounds accurate is “teenage sorceress”. Aside from that, the two could not be more different.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#9710: Apr 21st 2018 at 4:26:03 AM

And trying to force that lesson into fans will never work. It reinforces the idea that teenagers and sidekicks have to compete with their adult counterparts. Personally, I prefer it when they don't literally say their opponents underestimate them because their teenagers, since it means they have an advantage.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#9711: Apr 21st 2018 at 5:02:08 AM

Agreed, heck, by this point the team is less "the kiddie group" and more "the Justice League's black ops program".

Though I'd argue their victory in season 2 didn't come from being underestimated, but just because their plan was really really good.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#9712: Apr 21st 2018 at 5:15:06 AM

And I liked it when they're allowed to be badass by themselves and also feel that their plan was awesome, until Aqualad had to ruin it by saying that the opponent underestimated them. Instead of just letting it flow naturally through their accomplishments, the writers feel the need to bring it up for no reason.

Ellowen My Ao3 from Down by the Bay Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#9713: Apr 21st 2018 at 6:07:56 AM

At least it's more or less in character for Kaldur to say that? it's still a pain, but at least they didn't have KF or Artemis or Superboy say it, you know?

my cousins finally finished watching S2 :)

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Windona Since: Jan, 2010
#9714: Apr 21st 2018 at 6:11:41 AM

IMO they got underestimated a lot less in s2, especially given they were the main driving force against the Reach rather than the underpowered League. And at the end they even operate out of the same base as the League.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#9715: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:07:29 PM

And trying to force that lesson into fans will never work.
It’s been my experience that this is the only way fans will ever learn anything.

It reinforces the idea that teenagers and sidekicks have to compete with their adult counterparts.
You mean they don’t? pretty much all characters are in competition. Superman is in competition with Batman. Wonder Woman is in competition with Superman and Batman. The various Green Lanterns and Flashes are in competition with each other. The DC characters are in competition with Marvel characters etc.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#9716: Apr 21st 2018 at 6:07:44 PM

In my experience it pisses people off, or did Superboy Prime managed to convince fans to stop being whiny with how much of a strawman he is? Competition between superheroes are the equivalent of the fans having a dick measuring contest, pointless and annoying, and only serve to stroke their own ego. I don't go reading a teen Titans comics thinking how much better the Justice League would solve the problems, I don't go into a Nightwing comic and think about Batman coming in and outshining him. Just because some people can't stop whining or bragging about their favorite characters doesn't mean we have to actually care about them, and trying to convince them is like trying to convert an Flat-Earther, they won't go in flame wars over stupid things if they weren't stubborn assholes.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#9717: Apr 27th 2018 at 9:26:53 PM

I really, really hope Grant Emerson shows up in this. Like, I kinda see him being experimented on by The Reach, but when they activate his power it is a little too strong for their machines.

As a result, that Reach facility basically blows up and leaves a very confused Grant standing there. "Oh...man, what did I do? Are all of them...?"

edited 27th Apr '18 9:27:13 PM by NickTheSwing

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#9718: Apr 29th 2018 at 7:11:35 PM

Been binging on a re-watch of season one. Man, how many prison guards got killed in "Terrors" coz the team didn't want to pre-preemptively bust Icicle's plan? X_X

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#9719: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:09:00 PM

The Peter David episodes are really good, like the episode introducing Impulse.

TheBiggestLoser Since: Feb, 2014
#9720: May 6th 2018 at 12:58:21 PM

The DC streaming service has been revealed. According to this, it is "poised to launch later this year."

edited 6th May '18 12:58:59 PM by TheBiggestLoser

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#9721: May 8th 2018 at 11:06:12 AM

Is anyone else a little worried that with how long it's taken to air the new season and the cost of the new streaming service, interest in this show might dwindle?

TheBiggestLoser Since: Feb, 2014
#9722: May 8th 2018 at 12:54:28 PM

Season 3 production started at late 2016, and one episode can take about a year to complete.

And as of April, it doesn't even look like that many episodes (if any) have been completed. If all 26 episodes are to be released at once, the wait will take even longer.

edited 8th May '18 12:55:02 PM by TheBiggestLoser

Windona Since: Jan, 2010
#9723: May 8th 2018 at 5:06:02 PM

Also remember that there was enough interest in YJ years after s2 ended to get season 3. Don't underestimate the fandom

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#9724: May 8th 2018 at 6:08:30 PM

On the upside, we probably won’t have to wait for all 26. In recognition of the length issues with developing animated series, Netflix typically releases animated shows in halves (for example, season the second set of Voltron episodes was clearly half of a single season composed of that and the third set).

So at most we’ll have to wait for 13.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#9725: May 12th 2018 at 6:05:13 AM

Didn't they say to expect S3 in 2019?


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