Tv Tropes Music Recommendation List

Can we please just go ahead and make the threads before this dies completely?

I'm sorry guys ;-; I've been busy lately, and then lazy with my free time.

I'll make the topics now, each with the title TV Tropes Approved: <insert genre>.

I'll recheck the posts I missed, add any changes (I probably won't for sake of simplicity), and move along.

ALL THE TOPICS HAVE BEEN MADE GOGOGOGO

Can someone please answer to me whether I don't have to recommend an album someone else already did or I still do? I have way too much for metal and three or so of the albums on my list already got nominated, so I guess I don't really understand how it all works.

Once a decent number of submissions are posted, discuss amongst the topic which works are truly essential. Usually these will be the works with the highest number of recommendations in the topic.

Quoting Neccy in the OP of basically every thread.

So yes, duplicate nominations = good and actually quite important for deciding the final list of 25-30 albums.

This is really hard. I always find I draw a blank when trying to pick the best albums. o_o;

It's a challenge, ain't it? ;D

The rest of today should suffice for any future additions for the topics. Then we can all start picking. The albums with the most recommendations (the big obvious one being the My Bloody Valentine album Loveless) will automatically be chosen, but any ties for the single recs can be debated. I think that's reasonable.

The one artist rec per user thing can be dropped for the selection process, because repeated artists will be fine considering that there will be some 25-30albums chosen altogether.

edited 22nd Jul '10 7:27:13 PM by Neccy60

Since this is pretty much dead, I decided to compile what we managed to get.

For threads that never bother to make a final list, I just got all the recommendations and deleted the repeats.

The Musical Theatre and Soundtracks one took longer, because I had to find the composers and lyricists for each album, because soundtrack fans never care about those guys >:(.

TV Tropes Approved: Classical

• Gian-Carlo Menotti - The Consul
• Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - The Marriage of Figaro
• Ludwig van Beethoven - Sonata Pathetique
• Ralph Vaughan-Williams - Serenade to Music
• Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition
• Pytr Illich Tchaikovsky - Eugene Onegin
• Igor Stravinsky - The Firebird
• Aaron Copland - Clarinet Concerto
• Giacomo Puccini - La Boheme
• Edvard Grieg - In the Hall of the Mountain King
• Gregorio Allegri - Miserere
• John Tavener - Song For Athene
• Claudio Monteverdi - Cantate Domino
• Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition
• Thomas Tallis - Spem In Alium
• Leonard Bernstein - Chichester Psalms
• Gabriel Fauré - Requiem
• Olivier Messiaen - Turangalîla-Symphonie
• Giuseppe Verdi - Quattro Pezzi Sacri
• Maurice Duruflé - Quatre Motets Sur Des Thèmes Grégoriens
• Johann Sebastian Bach - Passacaglia and Fugue in C Minor
• George Frederic Handel - The Messiah
• Henry Purcell - Dido and Aeneas
• Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina - Missa Aeterni Christi Munera
• Franz Liszt - Hungarian Rhapsodies
• Jean Sibelius - Symphony #4
• Arnold Schoenberg - Piano Concerto
• Igor Stravinsky - Symphony of Psalms
• Frederic Chopin - Waltzes
• Joseph Haydn - Symphony #101, The Clock
• Igor Stravinski- The Rite of Spring
• Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart- Requiem
• Ludwig van Beethoven- Symphony no. 9: Choral
• George Friedrich Handel- Messiah
• Richard Wagner- The Ring of the Nibelung
• Edvard Grieg- Peer Gynt
• Antonio Vivaldi- The Four Seasons
• Gioachino Rossini- William Tell Overture
• Johann Pachelbel- Canon in D

TV Tropes Approved - Musical Theater and Soundtracks

• Various Artists - O Brother, Where Art Thou?
• Robert Lopez and Jeff Marx - Avenue Q
• Stephen Sondheim - Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
• Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice - Joseph And The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
• Claude-Michel Schönberg and Herbert Kretzmer - Les Misérables
• Leonard Bernstein and Stephen Sondheim - West Side Story
• Shiroh Sagisu - Neon Genesis Evangelion
• Masashi Hamauzu - Final Fantasy XIII Original Soundtrack
• John Williams — Jaws
• Danny Elfman — The Nightmare Before Christmas: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
• Hans Zimmer — ''Sherlock Holmes: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack'
• Howard Shore — The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
• Nobuo Uematsu, Keiji Kawamori, Kenichiro Fukui, Tsuyoshi Sekito and Kyosuke Himuro — Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Original Soundtrack
• Murray Gold — Doctor Who: Original Television Soundtrack
• Stephen Schwartz - Wicked
• Michael Giacchino - The Incredibles
• The Seatbelts - Cowboy Bebop
• Jerry Brock and Sheldon Hardnick - Fiddler on the Roof
• John Du Prez, Eric Idle and Neil Innes - Spamalot
• J.R. Rahman - Slumdog Millionaire
• Simon and Garfunkel - The Graduate
• Various Artists - Juno
• Various Artists - Pulp Fiction
• Various Artists - The Rocky Horror Picture Show
• Lin Manuel-Miranda - In the Heights
• Various Artists - Moulin Rouge! Music from Baz Luhrmann's Film
• Angelo Badalementi - Soundtrack from Twin Peaks
• Two Steps From Hell - Invincible
• James Horner - Avatar: Music from the Motion Picture
• Danny Elfman - Hellboy II: The Golden Army
• Explosions In The Sky - Friday Night Lights
• Solar Fields - Mirror's Edge Original Videogame Score
• Yoko Kanno - Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex O.S.T.
• Mel Brooks - The Producers
• Stephen Sondheim - Into the Woods
• Alan Menken and Howard Ashman - Little Shop of Horrors
• Joss and Jed Whedon - Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog

TV Tropes Approved - Jazz and Blues

• Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
• John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
• Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
• Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch!
• Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
• Herbie Hancock - Headhunters
• Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus
• Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas
• Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out
• Thelonius Monk - Brilliant Corners
• John Lee Hooker - John Lee Hooker Plays and Sings the Blues
• Muddy Waters - At Newport
• B.B. King - Live at the Regal
• Howlin' Wolf - Howlin' Wolf
• Robert Johnson - King of the Delta Blues Singers
• Son House - The Legendary Son House: Father of the Folk Blues
• T-Bone Walker - T-Bone Blues
• Lightin' Hopkins - Lightin' Hopkins
• Etta James - At Last
• Elmore James - The Sky is Crying
• Duke Ellington - Masterpieces by Ellington
• Miles Davis - Miles Ahead
• Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
• Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane - Thelonious Monk With John Coltrane
• Charlie Parker - Charlie Parker with Strings
• Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz
• Cecil Taylor - Conquistador
• James P. Johnson - The Original James P. Johnson: 1942-1945, Piano Solos
• Modern Jazz Quartet - Lonely Woman
• Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame
• Pat Metheny - Into the Dream
• Freddie Hubbard: Ready for Freddie
• John Coltrane: Giant Steps
• Dave Brubeck: Take Five
• Dizzy Gillespie: Groovin' High (1992)
• Miles Davis - Boplicity
• Tom Waits - Step Right Up
• Sam Rivers - Beatrice
• Modern Jazz Quartet - Django
• Glenn Miller Orchestra - Pennsylvania 6-5000
• The Andrews Sisters - Beat me daddy, eight to the bar
• Blossom Dearie - You Come from Rhode Island
• Ernie Andrews - Old Man Jazz
• Steve Parry and the Big Band from Hell - Sentimental Mood
• Louis Armstrong - The Complete Hot 5 and Hot 7 Recordings
• Duke Ellington - The Far East Suite
• Benny Goodman - Live at Carnegie Hall
• Ella Fitzgerald & Count Basie - Ella and Basie!
• Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
• John Mc Laughlan, Al Di Meola, Paco De Lucia - Live: Friday Night in San Francisco

TV Tropes Approved - Folk, World and Country

• Blue Roses - Blue Roses
• John Renbourn & Stefan Grossman - Under The Volcano
• The John Renbourn Group - A Maid In Bedlam
• Steeleye Span - Parcel Of Rogues
• Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can
• James Blackshaw - The Glass Bead Game
• Jesca Hoop - Hunting My Dress
• Beirut - The Gulag Orkestar
• The Unthanks - Here's The Tender Coming
• Johnny Flynn - Been Listening
• Eliza Carthy - Red Rice
• Richard Thompson - Sweet Warrior
• Bellowhead - Matachin
• Coope, Boyes and Simpson - Funny Old World
• Martin Hayes & Dennis Cahill - Live in Seattle
• Johnny Cash - Live at Folsom Prison
• The Carter Family - Can the Circle Be Unbroken?
• The Flying Burrito Brothers - The Gilded Palace of Sin
• Hank Williams - 40 Greatest Hits
• Dolly Parton - The Essential Dolly Parton
• Loretta Lynn - Don't Come Home a Drinkin' (With Lovin' on Your Mind)
• Lee Hazelwood - Love and Other Crimes
• Wanda Jackson - Wanda Jackson
• Patsy Cline - Gold
• The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo
• World Pop Os Mutantes - Os Mutantes
• Current 93 - All The Pretty Little Horses
• Bob Dylan - Hurricane
• Joni Mitchell - Blue
• Cat Stevens - Tea for the Tillerman
• Nick Drake - Pink Moon
• Buena Vista Social Club - Buena Vista Social Club
• Carlos Montoya - Flamenco!
• Tito Puente - Dance Mania
• Anne Briggs - Anne Briggs
• Kate Rusby - Awkward Annie
• Johnny Cash - The Complete Live at San Quentin
• 16 Horsepower - Folklore
• Woven Hand - Mosaic
• Astor Piazolla - Tango: Zero Hour
• Chumbawamba - English Rebel Songs 1381–1984
• Zac Brown Band - The Foundation
• Hank III - Straight To Hell
• Johnny Cash - American Recordings
• Nic Jones — Penguin Eggs
• Tim van Eyken — Stiffs Lovers Holymen Thieves
• Martin Simpson — The Bramble Briar
• Anaïs Mitchell - Hadestown
• Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago
• Rupa and the April Fishes - Este Mundo
• The Mamaku Project - Mal De Terre
• Jim Moray - Low Culture

TV Tropes Approved - Funk, Soul, and Classic R&B

• Martha and the Vandellas - Greatest Hits
• Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
• Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You
• Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis
• Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
• Issac Hayes - Hot Buttered Soul
• James Brown - 50th Anniversary Collection
• Earth, Wind, and Fire - Earth, Wind, and Fire
• Parliament - Mothership Connection
• Sly and the Family Stone - There's a Riot Going On
• Curtis Mayfield - Superfly OST
• Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life
• Solomon Burke - Don't Give Up On Me
• Meshell Ndegeocello - Cookie: The Anthropological Mixtape
• Gil Scott-Heron - Winter In America
• Bobby Womack - Across 110th Street OST

TV Tropes Approved - Classic Rock

• Rush - Moving Pictures
• Rush - 2112
• The Beatlese - Revolver
• King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
• David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars
• Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
• Led Zeppelin - IV
• The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
• Queen - A Night at the Opera
• Eagles - Hotel California
• Deep Purple - Machine Head

TV Tropes Approved - Alternative/Indie Rock

• 65daysofstatic - The Fall Of Math
• Alice In Chains - Dirt
• Arcade Fire - Funeral
• Camper Van Beethoven - Key Lime Pie
• The Cure - Pornography
• Deftones - White Pony
• Explosions In The Sky - The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place
• Faith No More - The Real Thing
• Jane's Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual
• Jesus And Mary Chain - Psychocandy
• Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
• Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
• My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
• Muse - Black Holes And Revelations
• Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
• Pearl Jam - Ten
• The Pixies - Doolittle
• Radiohead - The Bends
• Radiohead - OK Computer
• Radiohead - Kid A
• Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against the Machine
• Sigur Rós - Takk...
• Slint - Spiderland
• Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
• The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
• Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
• Soundgarden - Superunknown
• The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
• The Strokes - Is This It
• Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
• Tool - Lateralus

TV Tropes Approved - Metal

• Agalloch - The Mantle
• Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
• Black Sabbath - Paranoid
• Blind Guardian - Imaginations from the Other Side
• Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
• Cynic - Focus
• Death - Human
• Death - Individual Thought Patterns
• Death - The Sound of Perseverance
• Dream Theater - Images and Words
• Electric Wizard - Dopethrone
• Godflesh - Streetcleaner
• Gorguts - Obscura
• Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
• Iron Maiden - Powerslave
• Judas Priest - Painkiller
• Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
• Kamelot - The Black Halo
• Machine Head - Burn My Eyes
• Manowar - Hail to England
• Mastodon - Crack the Skye
• Mastodon - Leviathan
• Megadet - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
• Metallca - ...And Justice for All
• Metalica - Master of Puppets
• Motohead - Ace of Spades
• Opeth - Blackwater Park
• Pig Destroyer - Terrifyer
• Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
• Sepultura - Chaos AD
• Slayer - Reign in Blood
• Type O Negative - World Coming Down

TV Tropes Approved - Punk

• Stiff Little Fingers - Inflammable Material
• The Clash - London Calling
• The (International) Noise Conspiracy - Survival Sickness
• Earth Crisis - Destroy The Machines
• Dropkick Murphys - Sing Loud, Sing Proud
• The Stalin - Stop Jap
• Bad Religion - How Could Hell Be Any Worse
• Raised Fist - Fuel
• Refused - The Shape of Punk To Come
• At The Drive-In - Relationship of Command
• Thrice - Vheissu
• Converge - Jane Doe
• The Fall of Troy - Doppleganger
• The Receiving End of Sirens - Between The Heart and The Synapse
• Magrudergrind - Magrudergrind
• Bad Brains - Bad Brains
• Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols
• Gallows - Orchestra Of Wolves
• Siouxsie And The Banshees - The Scream
• The Saints - (I'm) Stranded
• The Birthday Party - Junkyard
• The Clash - The Clash
• The Damned - Machine Gun Etiquette
• Public Image Ltd. - Metal Box
• The Pogues - Rum, Sodomy & the Lash'
• Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime
• Husker Du - Zen Arcade
• Black Flag - Damaged
• Fugazi - 13 Songs
• Minor Threat - Complete Discography (Okay, really now?)
• Earth Crisis - Breed the Killers
• Black Flag - My War
• Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
• Napalm Death - Scum
• Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
• The Pogues - Rum, Sodomy and the Lash
• Black Flag - Damaged
• Husker Du - Zen Arcade
• The Jam - All Mod Cons
• The Stooges - Funhouse
• Minor Threat - Out of Step
• X-Ray Spex - Germ Free Adolescents
• The Ramones - The Ramones
• Meat Puppets - Meat Puppets II
• The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
• Public Image Limited - Metal Box
• Wire - Chairs Missing
• New York Dolls - New York Dolls
• The Slits - Cut
• The Residents - Eskimo
• MC 5 - Kick Out the Jams
• Husker Du - Zen Arcade
• Flipper - Generic
• The Damned - Machine Gun Etiquette
• Operation Ivy - Energy
• Fear - The Record
• The Wipers - Youth Of America
• Television - Marquee Moon
• The Offspring - Smash
• Rancid - ...And Out Come the Wolves
• Dropkick Murphys - The Meanest of Times
• blink-182 - Take Off Your Pants and Jacket
• Misfits - Walk Among Us
• Green Day - Dookie
• Bad Brains - Rock For Light
• Circle Jerks - Group Sex
• The Exploited - Punk's Not Dead

The rest wil come later, as this list grew too long already.

edited 2nd Oct '10 12:40:34 PM by Wicked223

hopy shit that list is HUGE!

I KNOW!

It makes me sad about what this project could've been, had it been a little better organized.

It's still pretty awesome. There's a lot of good stuff on there.

Keep in mind that only four of the categories had final lists made.

That is a ridiculously long list.

I wish I'd have participated more >.<

TV Tropes Approved: Pop

• The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
• Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
• The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
• Jan and Dean - Carnival Of Sound
• The Monkees - Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd.
• Phil Spector - A Christmas Gift for You from Phil Spector
• The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
• Panda Bear - Person Pitch
• Dennis Wilson - Pacific Ocean Blue
• David Bowie - Hunky Dory
• Michael Jackson - Bad
• Elton John - Don't Shoot Me, I'm Only The Piano Player
• Simon And Garfunkel - Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, And Thyme
• Counting Crows - August And Everything After
• Barenaked Ladies - Everything To Everyone
• Scritti Politti - Cupid & Psyche 85
• Prince - Purple Rain
• Junior Senior - Hey Hey My My Yo Yo
• Frankie Goes to Hollywood - ''Welcome to Pleasuredome'
• Kylie Minogue - Fever
• Justin Timberlake - Justified
• Madonna - Like a Virgin
• Cyndi Lauper - She's So Unusual
• Duran Duran - Rio
• Gorillaz - Gorillaz
• The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
• The Ronettes - The Best of the Ronettes
• Nancy Sinatra - Nancy and Lee
• Simon and Garfunkel - Bookends
• Van Dyke Parks - Song Cycle
• The Jackson 5 - Ultimate Collection
• ABBA - Gold
• The Supremes - Gold
• Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
• Lady Gaga - The Fame Monster

TV Tropes Approved - Hip-Hop

• Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
• Nas - Illmatic
• Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang Clan (36 Chambers)
• Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
• Eminem - The Slim Shady LP
• Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
• N.W.A - Straight Outta Compton
• De La Soul - 3 Feet High And Rising
• De La Souk - De La Soul Is Dead
• A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
• Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full
• Sage Francis - A Healthy Distrust
• Out Kast - Stankonia
• dalek - Absence
• Nujabes - Metaphorical Music
• Nujabes - Modal Soul
• Madvillain - Madvilliany
• Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
• Dizzee Rascal - Boy In Da Corner
• DJ Shadow - Endtroducing.....
• Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass
• Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
• The Streets - A Grand Don't Come For Free

TV Tropes Approved - Electronica

• Boards of Canada - Music Has The Right To Children
• Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
• Daft Punk - Discovery
• Orbital - The Brown Album
• Massive Attack - 'Mezzanine''
• Massive Attack - Protection
• The Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole
• Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92
• Aphex Twin - Richard D. James Album
• Autechre - Tri Repetae
• Skinny Puppy - Rabies
• Nine Inch Nails- Pretty Hate Machine
• Justice - †
• Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal
• Emeralds - Does It Look Like I'm Here?
• Bjork - Homogenic
• The Prodigy - The Fat of the Land
• Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion
• Moby - Play
• Depeche Mode - Violator
• Flying Lotus - Los Angeles
• Kraftwerk - Die Mensch-Machine/The Man Machine
• Portishead - Dummy
• Imogen Heap - Speak For Yourself

TV Tropes Approved - Reggae, Dub and Ska

• Burning Spear - Marcus Garvey/Ghost of Garvey
• Bob Marley & the Wailers - Exodus
• Steel Pulse - Handsworth Revolution
• Reel Big Fish - The Best of Us For The Rest of Us
• Five Iron Frenzy - Our Newest Album Ever
• Less Than Jake - Hello Rockview
• Catch-22 - Keasbey Nights
• O.C. Supertones - Revenge of The O.C. Supertones

Aaaaaand done.

Now what?

edited 4th Oct '10 8:25:52 PM by Wicked223

Well, for a start you're getting a MoFW.

Anybody still interested in discussing this?

I'm still interested in a discussion, at least about what we do with these lists. Making a Just for Fun page for this stuff was brought up earlier, IIRC; that's an option we could take.

This bears repeating, though: Only Alternative/Indie Rock, Metal, and Electronica have the full list of 25-30.

Incidentally, the Alternative Metal list  ^*

• Alice in Chains - Dirt
• Deftones - White Pony
• Faith No More - The Real Thing
• Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral
• Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine
• Soundgarden - Superunknown
• Tool - Lateralus

Err, that was all already on the Alternative/Indie Rock list.

Also, I think we should purchase some space in the next Trope Report.

Possible solution: Create pretty charts of these albums. Like an array of album pictures for each genre, with the band and album name below.

OH SHIT THATS A LOT KWJNBHFRDS.KVBHJ

Oh, sorry. There are some duplicates in the lists, I notice. Gorillaz appears twice, for instance, as does The Hounds of Love.

So, thoughts on why this failed: It was mainly due to the participants taking this as an excuse to pimp their favorite albums, instead of trying to build a definitive/essential list. In other words, a lack of organization. Hell, there were even places where the people out-and-out refused to recommend actual albums and just pimped their favorite artists, like in the Reggae, Dub and Ska thread. The threads that did make final list were, in fact, the ones where the original organizers were participating themselves.

So what I figure is that we can gather around and make a list of bands and albums for several genres (rock/electronic/classical/etc, subgenres can be covered too) that we collectively recommend trying out, either due to how accessible they are, or how awesome they are (preferably both).

So, yeah. Whoever said anything about gathering a list of essentials? It's a fact that Nevermind was immensely popular and therefore became influential and essential, but in here no one, except maybe one person, thought it was actually all that good, so it didn't make the list. And I don't like In the Aeroplane over the Sea and I think it's just awful-sounding hipster garbage, but more people here do like it, so I have to put up with it. It's fair.

Lists of essential albums are everywhere... This is supposed a compilation of whatever tropers more or less agree on being awesome in music. Amirite?

True.

But still, a lot of the participants simply threw their lists in and left.

edited 9th Oct '10 8:25:05 AM by Wicked223

@Litis: To be fair, just about everyone knows about Nevermind. I wouldn't put that as entry level simply because it's borderline instinct to try them (well, Nirvana) at a point.

I can understand where you're coming from though, and I can understand the overall reasoning for how this failed. I do think it was a good idea, but yes, in the end, most people thought "lol fav band plugin" and dumped their lists, to never be seen again. Such things are virtually guaranteed to happen in a forum setting, so it was more gamble than anything.

We can try this again, although it would need tweaking.

edited 10th Oct '10 3:07:45 PM by Neccy60