Harry Potter

HA! Jack the Ripper, a wizard? He didn't exactly Avada Kadavra those women, you know...

Optimism is a duty.

He did vanish into the night.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

Which is easy enough at night in Victorian London.

Optimism is a duty.

Major leaders in governments also know of their existence as I recall with the Prime Minister. So they know exactly how big the ramifications would be if people knew about magic.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 17th 2018 at 10:25:28 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Magical society weathers the existence of an unblockable killing curse well enough. Nor does ignorance provide muggles any particular defense. Tom Riddle strolled into his father's manor and committed a triple murder with no repercussions, and if the authorities had known that the Avada Kedavra was a thing then at least the poor groundskeeper wouldn't have been convicted by public opinion.

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Honestly I find all the excuses for the masquerade pretty silly. Muggles will be coming to magicals for solutions to their problems? Fuckin' A they will, it's this neat concept called "commerce." Muggles get a teleportation network and medicine that can regrow bones overnight, magicals get fat stacks for being a small group with valuable, irreproducible skills. Imagine what kind of bank Arthur could make for an actual flying car that's bigger on the inside.

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Anti-magical factions? Gosh, society containing a small (given what the popularity of the franchise says about attitudes towards wizards) group of bigots. Golly. What a completely unprecedented situation that we have no idea how to deal with. Good thing the masquerade completely prevents that and there's absolutely no bigoted cruelty between muggles and magicals right Death Eaters?

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Masquerade's just a genre convention to give us both magic and a recognizable world. It doesn't really make sense and in a Potter context I don't think it can be made to make sense. Best to just politely avert our gaze so as not to embarrass it for its implausibility.

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I don't know why tvtropes was eating my paragraph breaks.

Edited by rikalous on Sep 17th 2018 at 1:02:06 AM

So is there anything that contradicts the recent reveal that Nagini was originally human?

That sounds like the most bullshit retcon since "Dumbledore is gay".

If you mean if there was any evidence, there is none. Zero.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 27th 2018 at 9:12:17 PM

Optimism is a duty.

I mean, Nagini never really seemed like just any ordinary snake to me. If Voldemort was willing to put a piece of his own soul into this snake than there had to be something special about here. I'm not really bothered by this.

Tis the great art of life to manage well The restless mind

Nagini having backstory beyond "Voldemort has a snake now" might be an explanation for how she's somehow both venomous and python-sized.

Doesn't feel like a retcon to me. It's not really contradicting anything in the books as-is, is it?

This place is careless.

I suppose not, but it seems a bit superfluous. We already had Peter as the secret animagus.

Also, I'm not sure if it is made clear, but I think animagi are supposed to turn back into human form when they die? So then Nagini should have turned back into a human when she died?

Optimism is a duty.

Yeah. The Masquerade excuse is.... that. And excuse.

Muggles searching for magical solutions to their problems? Well, fuck yeah. You have spells that allow people to survive fires or regrow bones and cure impossible injuries. Who WOULDN'T turn to those solutions when the problems are unsolvable in the terms of muggle possibility?

And if we go into the 'Muggles could hire wizards to murder someone', what's stopping a wizard from cutting out the middle man and just assassinating someone anyway? The problem there is already one that wizarding society has to deal with anyway meaning its a non-argument for keeping the Masquerade afloat.

I mean, muggles could also hire wizards to accomplish research or for protection or for any other possible feat that just simply isn't a reality with only muggles. You could cure a number of the world's ills otherwise.

Its honestly what made Graves so compelling as a villain. He was RIGHT in some aspects. ""I ask you, Madam President. I ask all of you... who does this law protect? Us, or them?" I liked the idea.

But then you reveal he was actually wizard hitler and all the retorical appeals go out the window.

"society containing a small (given what the popularity of the franchise says about attitudes towards wizards) group of bigots."

I find this silly "we like wizard, ergo everyone would like them" hell no, it would change the work, for better? maybe or mabye not but saying it would only be small groups is nonsense.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Regardless of the Unfortunate Implications of the casting choice, plus Voldemort being extra vile and appalling when that was already abundantly clear; if Nagini was a person, that should have been a major Wham Line in book 7, something that takes the trio off guard-nearly fatally-but also drops pieces into the puzzle they did not know were missing.

Like, have the ambush at Godric's Hollow being drawn out and extra terrifying, with Nagini being not just Nigh-Invulnerable, but also demonstrating human level intelligence and planning, coupled with unusual magical abilities; something that demonstrates the snake is far more than a mere familiar, even before becoming a Horcrux. If Rowling wanted Nagini to be a character, then turn Nagini into a character, and for F#$%'s sake have someone who is knowledgeable and not tone deaf parse your casting choices and background info.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Sep 27th 2018 at 2:27:39 PM

Sorry, what's this about casting choices?

It's not so much "we like wizards, therefore everyone likes wizards" as "most people don't have a problem with wizards, therefore most people don't have a problem with wizards." If you're so sure there are going to be these large groups of bigots, why do they have such hatred towards a newly-met group defined by the possession of useful superpowers?

Edited by rikalous on Sep 27th 2018 at 11:31:08 AM

She wasn't a animagus, it was due to a bloodline curse.

"A Maladictus is a carrier of a blood curse which will ultimately destine them to transform permanently into a beast."

Mathilda Bagshot was Nagini all along!

What's this about an unfortunate casting choice?

Optimism is a duty.

For three reason: one there is a small group of people who have in sociaty nose right from the very begining and nobody notices, the fact they have power on their own including changing forms killing with just a want in many,many,many ways and so own and they could have influece sociaty?.

yeah.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Basically that there are basically no asian characters in Harry Potter and casting an asian woman to be both a 'snake lady' (which has Asian sterotype aspects through out history including most of Asian representation in cinema) and as a subserviant pet to the Big Bad (feeding the 'Sub Asian Woman' trope) with the extended implication that she possibly has no agency in her fate creates a really unfortunate situation.

Eh Dumbledore being gay is glaringly obvious when you remember his backstory in Deathly Hallows and how he clearly was in love with Grindelwald. Nagini being a human turned snake, however, is in no way hinted at and is Rowling continuing to ruin the franchise as she's been doing for years now.

Honestly, "Nagini being human" seems like a premise JKR drew out of a hat because she was out of ideas.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

Okay, so I'm missing something here. Is there another book or play?

Also, I'll remind you Cho is Asian.

Optimism is a duty.

Apparently Human Nagini was in the Fantastic Beasts 2 trailer.

This place is careless.

Going to guess you didn't click on the link in my previous post.

It's like reading a bad fanfic. Which is apparently the way this franchise is going: canonizing bad fanfiction for profit.

By the way, nailing a snake to your door doesn't exactly sound like something a Slytherin would do, but oh well.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 29th 2018 at 5:35:27 PM

Optimism is a duty.

Dude, I've been sitting here thinking HP was going the way of the bad fanfic ever since Cursed Child got approved for publishing.

My god. A Voldemort x Bellatrix lovechild? Fuck right out of here.

Qui odoratus est qui fecit.