Got it. Thanks for being understanding friend.
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
You're welcome.
Oh God! Natural light!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoNANGSUUAAKUrl?format=jpg
This is the True Organization XIII we know about atm. I arranged them in order while keeping the seating established from DDD with the revealed Norts at that time in mind.
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
What does this mean for Aqua, then?
Oh God! Natural light!
I don't think Aqua is among the 13.
1. She doesn't have the coat like the other Norts excluding the leader Xehanort.
2. Her changes seems to be a bit different from normal Nortification with those Darkling-like fingers and weird skin.
3. She's still stuck in the Ro D in her "Nortified" state while the other Norts are all out and wrecking other worlds on assignments.
4. From some scenes in the last trailer, it seems like Sora will save her from her state and return her to normal before the big clash with the lights and darknesses.
I think what happened was that Ansem So D came to the Ro D to confront Aqua and try to get info on Ventus so they could take his vessel for their own. To protect Ventus from Xehanort, Aqua cast the Master Keeper away from Ro D which ended up on Destiny Islands as we saw in the trailer. Without that keyblade, Xehanort won't be able to get to Ventus even if he takes Aqua since he would need both Aqua and that keyblade. So Ansem probably gets mad at her insolence and attacks her and they fight as trailer showed and also showed Aqua without her keyblade there. But Ansem probably wins and then corrupts her with his darkness and since she was already vulnerable to darkness at that point, it hits her hard and we get "Aquanort". Then Ansem just leaves her there to rot in Ro D as punishment.
Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 7:40:40 AM
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
I will note that Vanitas doesn’t seem to be wearing a coat in the trailers when he’s in the Land of Depature, so I’m not sure how important that is. Theoretically, she could always have one in a later scene that they just haven’t shown.
Though it does seem more likely that Sora will save her before then. I at least hope she’s like that for a decent chunk of the story.
“Punishment”, though? Not sure if I buy that - that’s a free Darkness right there, why not use her?
Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Oct 14th 2018 at 10:44:14 AM
Oh God! Natural light!
Vanitas however is shown wearing the coat again in another scene with Xemnas so he could have taken the coat off at Land of Departure for whatever reasons we don't know atm and even so he's still clearly hostile in those scenes as he mocks Ventus again and has has something bad in store for him and it looks like he's about to kill Aqua. Point is he's mostly seen in a coat in the trailers like in Monstropolis and in that setting(possibly Keyblade Graveyard) with Xemnas.
Aqua has not been seen in the coat at all in her new state as most of her time in her new state is in the Ro D from the looks of things. Only times she's seen outside the Ro D is when she's back to normal. So the "Aquanort" thing likely remains in Ro D and will be dealt with in the Ro D as we see with the Sora vs. Aqua battle.
And Aqua was never that important to Xehanort so again Ansem could afford to leave her behind especially when her only use to Xehanort was gone when she cut him off from getting to Ventus. Xehanort already has his vessels outside and from Larxene's words they already have their 13 by Arendelle.
Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 7:51:58 AM
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Well, we’ll see what happens, I suppose.
I kind of expected the 13th darkness to be more...important, though?
Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Oct 14th 2018 at 10:57:33 AM
Oh God! Natural light!
Snowy
I feel like she may have just gotten darkness corrupted- but that old theory of white hait and gold eyes being a sign of darkness corruption got thrown out the window when the 13 darknesses became a thing
Her hair honestly doesn't seem that white to me. More like pale blue.
And how does one explain her weird looking fingers that resemble a Darkling and her weird skin changes? Terranort didn't have any of that and he wasn't wearing a coat so we could see his skin perfectly.
Ansem definitely did something to her and her gold eyes shows it since they're sign of Xehanort's influence and Ansem is basically Xehanort's Heartless.
Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:00:13 AM
@Karkat Idk maybe the 13th spot won't be as important this time around since even in DDD Sora being the 13th was just as a replacement for Roxas who was a replacement for Riku so Sora was third choice and not the choice they truly wanted but settled with him anyways. The 13th aka Sora's replacement could be Vanitas or that Riku. The former would work because Nomura said back in DDD that Vanitas had no body/vessel so he couldn't have been among the others back in DDD but now for KH 3 he's been "resurrected by unknown means".
Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:08:45 AM
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
When did Nomura say that? I don’t recall hearing that.
I suppose if that’s the case, that would make sense if he was the final vessel. I mostly feel like that spot’s important since it was explicitly empty at the end of DDD.
Oh God! Natural light!
Comparin Xehanort to Spiritus and Chaos is a false comparison. The situations are completely different. Eapecially when Chaos was a victim Of a system he was tricked into by a higher power, while Spiritus plays "The Bad Guy" for the sake of protecting the world.
Several of Chaos underlings did try to betray him or plotted his death too.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:15:35 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
@Karkat I usually hate linking Resetera but was too lazy to look further.
"Vanitas has indeed been resurrected. The other returning Organization members have returned as either Nobodies or Real People. The ones helping Sora being the real people."
EDIT: Found a more through translation and depth.
"—-There are many mysteries surrounding the activities of the New Organization XIII. Vanitas is here too - why is that?"
"Nomura: The Vanitas who appeared in KH 3 D was just an illusion, but this time he's come back. However, exactly how Vanitas was revived differs when compared to the other members of the New Organization XIII."
Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:27:59 AM
@Omega Radiance. It doesn't matter as Chaos/Spiritus still lead the FF villains group without being a member among them just like Xehanort is leading the True Organization XIII and may not be a member among them if Dilan is Xaldin again.
Chaos may have been trapped in the cycle but he still had his minions and even though some tried to betray him they were still his pawns.
Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:23:34 AM
On the contrary Chaos was their pawn. His memories had been purified over coubtless cycles, his dad who helped manipulate him into the conflict sought to kill him after discarding turning his son into a weapon, Shinryu was manipulating him.
The fact that his own underlings were fractured into groups who disliked each other and more than half ditched him the moment Cosmos was killed to begin their own schemes after he dies.
Chaos was a pawn whose own pawns were manipulating him, and Golbez one of the few loyalists hated the Emperor because he knew he did stuff like convert Jecht as part of his own goal to backstab Chaos eventually. The Heroes simply hunted them down before going for Chaos.
Even the whole Villain comparison fails because Chaos commanded villains, Cloud, Terra, Tidus from throughout the series and were main characters/villains of a different game. While Xehanort just commands a bunch of original characters a number of which are minor at best and not a Disney villain among them.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:32:09 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Incidentally, since were discussing Xehanort, a few days ago I came across a "What would you want least to happen in KHIII?" thread on another site.
"Xehanort is really a Well-Intentioned Extremist/Good All Along" was probably the most popular answer.
@Omega Radiance couldn't Chaos just wipe his followers out in a flash iirc? I'm reminded how interesting the Warriors of Chaos were in comparison to Warriors of Cosmos.
I honestly still feel the comparison stands.
Also Xehanort also manipulated Maleficent and her cohorts. Also Roxas and Xion were working for him through one of his incarnations and they were protagonists. And a good chunk of his current Organization were main villains for previous games.
@Hamburger Time That's probably going to end up being the case within the game itself.
Edited by WryChelonian on Oct 14th 2018 at 8:47:35 AM
It takes time to get that powerful. By the time he was strong enough to singlehandedly slaughter all his forces with ease was Feral Chaos in the nightmare realm. Before that his minions can beat him in a tough but potentially winnable battle. Unless they were stupid like Cloud and fell for an obviously bad plan like attack him straight on.
He didn't start out that strong originally either as the conflict was all about making him stronger.
Xehanort only manipulated Maleficent. The rest joined her when she came to them. She honestly fits closer to Chaos than Xehanort does. Even most of her allies barely tolerate her at best with Pete the only loyal lackey.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 14th 2018 at 9:55:39 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
I suppose if that’s the case, that would make sense if he was the final vessel. I mostly feel like that spot’s important since it was explicitly empty at the end of DDD.
The trailers seem to suggest number 13 is a recurring plot point and there are multiple candidates such as Repliku, Ventus, Ienzo, Even and Aqua and that one of their current choices is as Ansem describes is willful and that if he where to step out of line they will destroy him.
Edited by lycropath on Oct 14th 2018 at 10:46:16 AM
I think we actually have more than thirteen Norts now with Demyx and Vexen, which suggests Master X is either making backups or even turning the lower-ranking henchmen into copies of himself.
Make as many Norts as possible and whatever ones survive their initial battle against Sora can be the Thirteen.
When we first see Demyx in the trailer he's speaking to Ienzo while seemingly having a body in a lab coat slung over his shoulder. Presumably, he's kidnapping Even for Nortifying there.
Alchemist
Is Aqua's story inspired by the Book of Job from the Old Testament?
It's cool. Just try to keep that in mind in the future.
Oh God! Natural light!