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"The only games that appear to be definable as 'hardcore' are H-games, and for entirely different reasons."

I lol'd. Seriously, nice one.

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Ah, Fallout 3. I don't even care about the perspective switch, or that it's 'raping' the franchise, I just don't like the game. Bethesda needs to get some better writers, *fast*.

See, there's a reason for disliking a game that I can respect. "I, personally, don't care for it."

edited 11th Sep '09 3:01:25 PM by Zudak

“Point your mouse (or worse, let your thumbstick auto-aim) at heads, click on them” is objectively less intellectual than “learn a statistical abstraction of the world, use it to construct a viable character and equipment loadout with the resources at your disposal, design and execute effective tactics for the situation at hand (though I guess really boring players can just grind through most of that, but that's beside the point.)” I'm not saying FPSs are bad, but yes, they are dumber and simpler than turn-based tactics games.

A very broken turn-based fashion, which also broke the realtime combat, and the character leveling, and the entire game. Remember Tactics and Arcanum, both of which were also broken by trying to include two different time-keeping systems at once.

But it was billed primarily as an FPS, which is what it was. An absolute masterpiece of an FPS which borrowed elements from many other genres, but still just an FPS.

Yes, but I believe it would have been very simple to repurpose it for a hex-based game and create a bird's eye camera. That's all just presentation, and other Gamebryo titles (CIV, FF…) are also like that. I'd have thought Bethesda would want to stretch their legs a little more.

Eric,

My own definition of Hardcore vs. Casual Gamer.

Hardcore Games are games I like. Casual Games are games I don't like.

edited 12th Sep '09 11:43:34 AM by GameGuruGG

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*sighs*

Talk about Fan Dumb. It's ridiculous. Can't we all just find some middle ground? At least just agree on this:

Party games are inherently casual, to allow any and all comers to play and enjoy them.

There, I said it, party games are casual. Can't we at least agree on something?

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I like VG Cats. Except for the "Nerd Rage" comic. I despise that one for numerous reasons:

Insufferable elitist attitude

Lazy, virtually non-existant "joke"

Selective memory

Doesn't understand what makes "The Word" funny

Okay, that's it. I am sick and tired of those motherfucking terms. Seriously. People should not use them. At all. Game Guru is right - it's all just a matter of "I'm better than you." But really, they're all gamers. It's BULLSHIT. I'm am sick and tired of all this Serious Business. Games are fucking entertainment. The idea is to have fun. What this boils down to, basically, is the "hardcore" crowd saying that everybody else doesn't know the right way to have fun. Which is fucking bullshit, because different people have different tastes. If you have fun playing something like Wii Sports, more power to you! So Yeah. Fuck "casual" and "hardcore". Pointless, inflammatory terms that deserve to die in fire.

Whew. Okay, rant over.

For some reason, people who spend their entire time dedicating themselves to a hobby that revolves around pure fun are the most miserable people on earth.

Irony at its most cruel.

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*pokes Zudak*

You know, as right as you are... *points at previous posts* ... the casuals also claim that the hardcore crowd don't know how to have fun.

Also true. Also stupid.

Actually, I've been a gamer since the NES. I've just been one who grew out of caring about the console wars. In every generation after the NES, I've owned the consoles from the two major competitors until now. I've own a SNES & Genesis, an N64 & a PS1, a Dreamcast, Gamecube, PS2, & Xbox, and now I currently own a Wii. I've even gained a healthy respect for PC Gaming now thanks to Steam and GoG.com.

Thing is, no one should criticize a game itself unless they've actually played it. Heck, my only complaints with the HD Twins is essentially that I believe PS2 to be a better system than either and that I didn't particularly like what the Original Xbox brought to the table that Xbox 360 and PS3 seem to be very eager to focus on. Even then, if the PS3 Slim was backwards compatible with PS2 games at the price it is now, I'd probably own a PS3 at this point, and if my PS2 ever dies before then, I'll likely get an Xbox 360.

BTW, the "Nerd Rage" comic lost me by insulting Bejeweled. While I've played Tetris and Dr Mario, and other console puzzle games, the PC version of Bejeweled is just on a different level of awesome for me. I apparently LOVE PC Puzzle games, especially those from Popcap.

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I can see this isn't an opinion that's accessible to reason, so I suppose we'll just have to disagree on that point. I'd just like to point out that, while the tactics you need to learn might be different in nature and paced differently than they are in a turn-based system, that by no means implies they don't exist. Preparing the ground, choice of weapons, effective use of cover — these are all tactical considerations, just as managing action points were in SPECIAL.

edited 12th Sep '09 2:45:10 PM by Nornagest

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Fallout 3 is no more an FPS than The Elder Scrolls Series is. It's just that the latter is in Medieval Stasis, while the former is After the End.

edited 12th Sep '09 3:07:36 PM by GameGuruGG

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I used to care about console wars. When I was eight.

Seeing grown men and women mimic the same behavior is just sad.

The Nerd Rage strip was hilarious. The idea that people who self-identify by their consumption of a particular mass-produced consumer product would be upset that they had become 'marketable' amused me no end.

Also, the idea that being a 'hardcore gamer' means anything other than 'wasting your life spending all day sitting in a dark room pretending to be people who do things that you might just be able to do if you got off your arse and went outside'. Comedy.

edited 13th Sep '09 3:27:22 AM by Inverurie Jones

'All he needs is for somebody to throw handgrenades at him for the rest of his life...'

The main bit that I find odd is that people act as if Nerd Rage was the first comic in which Scott got onto his soapbox and acted like a jackass.

If you've been reading for a while, you'd surely be used to it already. About the only difference with Nerd Rage is he finally ditched "Pantsman" and just used Aerith as his fursona. The guy's a notorious jackass. I'd long accepted that he was a funny jackass and just went along with it.

How come it took the rest of you so long to notice?

Again with the data mining, dear Aunt?

Because internet stupidity is Serious Business.

Because I don't read VG Cats, and stick to more respectable gaming comics like Eight Bit Theater and Penny Arcade.

edited 13th Sep '09 11:36:44 AM by GameGuruGG

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Because "Nerd Rage" was the most egregious.

Yep. The other examples elicited a 'whatever you say, mate' response, while Nerd Rage elicited a full-on 'Oh, for fuck's sake'.

'All he needs is for somebody to throw handgrenades at him for the rest of his life...'

I thought he was joking with the "Nerd Rage" strip.

Same here, Galeros. That, or I thought it was some sort of ridicule of that "Ultimate Gamer" show. Either way, I didn't think it was HIS view on that whole debate.

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In isolation I'd think you'd be right, but as someone has mentioned, that was hardly the first time he'd touched on the hardcore "issue".

I will keep my soul in a place out of sight, Far off, where the pulse of it is not heard.