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or he'll have a heroic sacrifice

"Have a good day. Have a good week. Have a good month. Have a good year. Have a good life." ~Civia

I really like they idea of Thrall being able to retire on a high, rather than the events of Legion.

That's not a possibility I can rule out, though I certainly perfer the "riding off into the sunset" option.

That got the content to back it up. Vanilla will have... vanilla content, which isn’t actually that much, and nothing more.

Edited by Memers on May 15th 2019 at 7:16:40 AM

id also point out ffxi still gets regular patches and has literally multiple expansions of content and improvements so comparing it to wow classic is..hilariously reductive to ffxi

Peer at Cinematic

Wow, Two rogues fail to take down a fighter and a shaman who are unarmed while in PVP. Clearly the class has issues.

Yeah, well... if there are any two Orcs that I would expect to be able to take down the Rogues in that situation, it's Thrall and Saurfang.

I've seen some comments to the effect that this makes canonical (outside of novelizations and short stories) that Rogue stealth is literally becoming invisible, not just hiding very well. They draw on a form of Shadow magic to cloak themselves. Also, the sounds of entering and exiting stealth are real, in-universe. Holy Tauren!

As to where this is going, Blizzard loves to toy with our expectations (even as they usually deliver perfectly straightforward narratives in the end), and we have both the "grizzled veteran fights for the honor of his people against a tyrant" and "retired leader is persuaded to return for one final battle" tropes in play, both of which often lead to death for the heroes in question.

But when you have two of them competing for who can perform the most honorable and heroic sacrifice, it's anyone's guess what will actually happen.

Edited by Fighteer on May 16th 2019 at 8:52:57 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

"I shall sacrifice myself for the greater good!"

"No, it is my burden to bear!"

"Nu-huh, I said I would sacrifice myself first!"

"Moooooom! Thrall doesn't want to let me sacrifice myself!"

Saurfang: Look, who's the one with the death wish here, Family Orc? You or me?

Before Thrall had his return cinematic I had him high on the list of people who would become Warchief next, but given that he explicitly says he doesn't want to and that Saurfang isn't even asking him to lead the Horde again, I've definitely lowered those chances a couple of notches. Not to zero, but much lower then it was before.

I'm actually strongly considering the possibility that after Sylvanas, for the next expansion at least, the Horde simply won't have a Warchief. Sure there will be someone who is commanding the Horde forces most relevant to the current crises who can act as a stand-in, but no one will be wielding the absolute dictatorial powers of the position of Warchief.

Either because the office itself will be abolished to prevent another Sylvanas, or because the Horde decides that this is the sort of decision that demands careful deliberation and a strong consensus among the Horde's upper leadership.

I could see a council of the individual Horde races leaders at least as a temporary solution.

Edited by tclittle on May 16th 2019 at 2:52:18 PM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

Might as well have a permanent War Council instead of a War Chief.

Honestly, after both Garrosh and Sylvanas that is really the only sensible solution.

So at the end of the expansion will sylvanas be killed off or go rogue, cause she has less and less supporters as time goes on.

On one hand I can see a final climactic battle with her and her most loyal followers

On the other she's one of wows most iconic characters

"Have a good day. Have a good week. Have a good month. Have a good year. Have a good life." ~Civia

Goes rogue and has an expansion dedicated to bringing her down, perhaps?

Lich Queen.

I'm guessing Lich Queen.

This song needs more love.

I am still tentatively of the opinion that she's going to do something to help bring down N'Zoth, and then either die or get put on a bus, but I'm willing to be wrong.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Given how she's been set up, either she's gonna be a boss this expansion, or the next one.

Calling it now - Glory of the Second Siege - Defeat Sylvanas Windrunner in 10-Man Mythic. Title Reward: Banshee's Bane Mount Reward: Void-Touched Deathcharger

I hold the secrets of the machine.

the Horde and Alliance just cease to exist and everybody just goes back to their own solo faction...

what?

Honestly just put the Blood Elves in charge

The thing about Sylvanas is that, canonically, she is not killable by normal means. Her body is supernaturally tough and she's come back from death at least twice already. Also, we have hints if not outright statements that undead are immune to direct control by the Old Gods; in other words, they cannot be corrupted by the Void. Sylvanas knows about the Old Gods and presumably doesn't want the world to be consumed by them any more than the rest of us do; further, she has a documented agenda to defeat death itself.

Put all this together and it doesn't take a huge leap to suggest that she'll attack N'Zoth in an Evil Versus Evil manner, enabling us to deal with that abomination permanently. This could be a setup for her to make a Heroic Sacrifice (or whatever the villainous version of that is), or it could lead into the next expansion as she steals some of his power and goes on to become a final boss herself. Either would be awesome.

As much as the story is teasing Garrosh 2.0, I am 99% sure we are not going to repeat the Siege of Orgrimmar. Unlike Garrosh, Sylvanas has no particular attachment to or love for the Horde. She won't go down fighting to defend her vision of it. When it's no longer useful to her, she'll discard it as she would any other tool. However, I will concede that we might be getting Lich King 2.0. I wouldn't even mind that so much: she's an awesome character and would make a great ultimate villain; plus, defeating her once and for all could be a form of redemption for the Horde.

Edited by Fighteer on May 17th 2019 at 9:27:20 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

The trope you're looking for is a villainous version of Taking You with Me.

If she has an epiphany (unlikely), then add Villain's Dying Grace.

Edited by tclittle on May 17th 2019 at 9:01:55 AM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

I wouldn't mind an authentic Lich Queen. She can even use the Dark Blade to seal Bolvar and the spectral baggage in it so she doesn't have to deal with Ner'zul and Arthas. But if we do get her as the Queen of the Damned, don't kill her. That was the big mistake of Wot LK. Banish her to the Shadowlands or seal her somewhere she can be mildly annoying and menacing from.

Edited by googlebot on May 17th 2019 at 8:47:57 PM

“You can’t be an important and life-changing presence for some people without also being a joke and embarrassment to others.” -Mark Manson.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-not-a-bug-list/175887

Edited by sgamer82 on May 17th 2019 at 9:27:47 AM

Aaaaaand it starts.

Ah, the rose-colored glasses start to crack.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"