One Piece

I always considered manga readers to be superior experiences to physical tankobons for that very reason. I'll take an A4 high quality scan over an A5 physical copy any day.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Oct 10th 2019 at 11:16:56 AM

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

I get what Aegis P mean, I think. Sometimes when there is a large panel surrounded by small ones, I am guaranteed to fuck up the order of the small ones.

Recent example: Chapter 958 the spread where the seven look out to the empty sea and sea than there are no ships coming. Do I read the panels below or to the left first?

EDIT: the one with Orochi on the river is a better example.

Edited by ZheToralf on Oct 10th 2019 at 12:54:45 PM

You lost!

I instinctively read the bottom panels. The Orochi on the river example is even more straightforward, and it's the same order - top right, bottom right, top left, bottom left. It's a large spread, so you could think of those large landscape pages as two assymmetrical pages - finish the first one on the right before moving to the second on the left. Or, if you like, follow the Japanese writing system, which is top to bottom then right to left. That's just a guideline of course, not a hard rule.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Oct 10th 2019 at 12:13:03 PM

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

Huh someone who hates Jojo.

I know people like that exist but it’s still funny to see.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Yeah, the impression I get sometimes is that people who hate JoJo are usually people who haven't read JoJo and only experienced it second hand. Makes sense there are some who genuinely dislike it though.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

Granted, maybe they only know a certain part of the series. Each part reads fairly different from the others.

Disgusted, but not surprised

Surely every single person starts with Part 1.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Oct 10th 2019 at 2:10:48 PM

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

Newsflash, people have different opinions. More at 11.

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Its just when you see something agressivley beloved, seeing the opposite opinion becomes funny in a way because its something of a rarity.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 10th 2019 at 6:50:34 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Im glad you see it that way. It really is agressively beloved.

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Of course when I say agressivley beloved I don't mean that as a negative, just more of an observation.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 10th 2019 at 6:50:47 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I know you didnt, but I still agree.

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I only really started to notice the "panels are superdense and crowded" issues with One Piece around the Zou arc, which is a pretty decent run.

I've always find it kind of odd when people dislike a series because its fans are overly passionate about it. Like...I don't see what's wrong with showing enthusiasm towards something you love.

Now if said fans are obnoxiously attacking other fandoms, which most Shounen fandoms tend to do, the that's another story.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

No, I totally get that. Some fans are so aggressively defensive of their beloved franchise that they will downplay, ignore or deny the work's objective flaws^note Inasmuch flaws can be objective, of course some YMMV applies, but audiences come to a general consensus on such things all the time.... And they can be frustrating to deal with.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Oct 10th 2019 at 3:56:53 PM

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

I don't think fans deny the flaws (...sometimes) so much as the good outweighs the bad.

Like, if there's a consensus on a series' flaws, then there's no real point in discussing them is there, so it can be kind of grating to see someone rail on things that people already know exist.

But at the same time, it's all a matter of preference at the end of the day; what may be a minor flaw to you can be a big one to someone else. Conversely, you might be able to enjoy a series' strengths but others might not be as hooked as you are for whatever reason.

The popular the series, the more this tends to be apparent.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Well, I'm talking about a certain level of consensus, or partial consensus. Full consensus is very rare.

But I've totally come across fans who refuse to accept their series has flaws, or are willing to downplay serious ones to a massive degree. Hell, I probably do it with Lord of the Rings. It's mostly in fantasy literature I've come across it, somehow - The Wheel of Time in particular.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

I have to admit it rubs me the wrong way how so many people just overlook the many things that Jojo's does that in most other series they'd never stop complaining about, but I try to keep that annoyance from coloring my opinion of Araki as a writer.

I think part of that is that Jojo has earned itself something if a Weirdness Coupon.

Fans having a double standard is pretty common.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Random thought: will the Sunny make it to the end of the series, or will the Straw Hats have to make a third ship, you think?

Think Sunny might get a few modifications, but otherwise it's staying.

It'll make it. Getting the Thousand Sunny to and from Raftel is Franky's whole reason for being in the crew. To kill it is to kill his dream.

What if it gets destroyed at the end of the series, after reaching Raftel?

Hence to and from. Franky's "dream ship" is meant to go both ways iirc

Edit: I'm not entirely correct, I looked at the flashback (chapter 437) and Franky's big thing is being part of the Dream Ship's crew. The possibility of it falling apart after reaching the end is in the cards.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 10th 2019 at 1:51:55 PM