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HeatEdgeSword Since: Dec, 2017
#170076: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:36:56 PM

I have a feeling that Z version was scrapped as early as after XY was released with an NPC giving away an item called Strange Souvenir, probably suggesting that they may already have planned for Sun and Moon.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#170077: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:41:39 PM

We know the next generation starts development as soon as a generation starts. They were planning Alola when Kalos was finished, and thus they added a cute reference.

Makes more sense than Zygarde having 2 secret moves in XY but not being used until SM. Or Eternal Floette being fully functional but unused.

SM reek of Z assets being cut and crammed into it.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#170078: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:55:07 PM

Personally, if you're going to HAVE two versions, then it would be a good idea to make them distinct from each other, so that even those who buy both don't feel like they're literally playing the same game twice.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#170079: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:13:15 PM

I disagree. One thing is having different wild Pokemon so trading is encouraged, and another is having different games so getting both games is encouraged.

However, the Fire Emblem Fates approach would probably be neat; said game allowed you to download the alternate campaign at a reduced price (and even the third campaign with included all version exclusive units, to the point it ended up being 3 games for the price of 2). But then there were people who bought both cartridges and complained. And I have only played the third campaign, because Golden Ending and more units were more appealing to me.

Pokemon probably wouldn't approach that model. Pokemon is never focused towards having multiple save files, or making different runs.

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#170080: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:20:42 PM

[up]Pedantic, but

and even the third campaign with included all version exclusive units

Revelations doesn't have all version exclusive units. There are a couple units that are exclusive to Birthright, there are a couple units that are exclusive to Conquest, and there are a couple units exclusive to Revelations that aren't available in either Birthright or Conquest.

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#170081: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:21:08 PM

Speaking of the strange souvenir, is there anything like that in the gen 7 games? Anything that might be a hint towards gen 8?

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#170082: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:23:29 PM

I should note that the console and handheld teams probably started merging somewhere in the xy era, and Z may have been dashed to make room for trying to understand the NX project.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#170083: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:24:51 PM

You can buy it in the supermarket in Alola. It doesn't actually do anything, though.

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#170084: Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:34:15 AM

Rowlet is not evolving because it is popular.

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#170085: Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:48:06 AM

Rowlet is like three times as popular as its final form.

There's no way they're going to evolve it.

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#170086: Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:00:45 AM

Ferroseed:

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#170087: Dec 3rd 2018 at 2:36:51 AM

@Epic Bleye: Revelations is missing Yukimura (Birthright exclusive)and Izana (Birthright and Conquest exclusive), has Fuuga as an exclusive unit, and you only get Scarlett for 2 chapters (while she is a permanent unit in Birthright). Gunter lacks supports in contrast to Conquest, and Flora and Reina are fully playable. So in this front, Birthright has 4 units, Conquest has 3, and Revelations has 4-5.

However, you get both sets of royals, retainers and misc potential parents, and both second generations. So while both Birthright and Conquest get 16 + 8 units in this front, Revelations gets 32 + 16.

Adding the 7 + 5 units you get in all 3 routes, you end up with a total of 40 units for Birthright, 39 for Conquest, and 64-65 for Revelations, out of a total of 67.

So yeah.

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#170088: Dec 3rd 2018 at 5:33:45 AM

If each type had moves like Overheat and Draco Metoer, what would you all call them?

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#170090: Dec 3rd 2018 at 6:17:20 AM

Normal: Exhaust

Water: Downpour

Electric: Short Circuit

Ice: Frostbite

Fighting: Muscle Pull

Poison: Neutral Solution

Ground: Earth Tremor

Flying: Wind Burn

Psychic: Mental Strain

Bug: Complete Swarm

Rock: Erosion

Ghost: Spirit Explosion

Dark: Cruel Act

Steel: Rust

Fairy: Fairy Dust

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#170091: Dec 3rd 2018 at 7:34:20 AM

How would you call abilities like Torrent and Blaze for all the types without them?

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#170092: Dec 3rd 2018 at 8:59:30 AM

Swarm

...oh.

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#170093: Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:26:56 AM

GameFreak used Tokyo-based developer Silicon Studio's Yebis 3 middleware in Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee for various graphical effects.

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#170094: Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:43:54 AM

...I'm never going to get over the fact that something called Yebis is a part of a pokemon game.

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#170095: Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:44:37 AM

[up][up][up][up]Psychic already has one, in Deoxys's signature move.

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#170096: Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:26:01 AM

Going back to Z, I think the main reason why it was canned was more likely due to Sun/Moon needing all hands on deck rather than the Switch. Sun and Moon's artstyle models and artsyle (excluding textures) translating well into HD, likely was affected because of it. Especially since the concept of the Switch was likely finalized sometime during 2013.

I'm just wondering, how far along did Nintendo know that the 3DS successor would have been a HD device considering Game Freak likely would have been told (being one of Nintendo's handheld only devs) considering the Pokemon models created were future proofed for HD.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#170097: Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:38:24 AM

Probably very early on seeing how the 3DS was already kind of outdated in 2011, and there's no chance a sub-HD successor would be accepted.

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#170098: Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:42:28 AM

I've heard speculation that Stars was actually in development than cut, though that's simply guessing based on how widespread the rumor was.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#170099: Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:26:58 PM

Stars was never anything but a rumor. Seriously, LG works because it is detached from the 3DS games, Stars would be a port unable to trade with non-Stars games. VGC will run USUM next year as well, while with Stars there would be a console-shift in the middle of a gen that wouldn't have meshed well.

Next year, we will be getting Bank in the Switch and more proper games, and so transition would go smoothly. But, changing console for a third version? That was just bullshit.

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