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Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.

This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#6151: Jan 21st 2019 at 9:39:25 PM

I Just Want to Be Badass. They know is risky and that they will harm others...and they like it.

Even the gritty cynic portrayals show it as a place where there cool interesting place. There no winning here, I'd rather just avoid most media related to criminal groups.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Jan 21st 2019 at 12:40:38 PM

Watch me destroying my country
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#6152: Jan 22nd 2019 at 12:40:47 AM

Honestly, it's really simple.

There are part of human mind that hate the laws and criminals live without them. It's just that many works of fictions focus more on the thrilling and glorious aspects of being a gangster/yakuza/mafia/methodists/etc and gloss over the realities that would make any sane person to realize that it's just not worth it.

Note: This mostly only applies to countries where there ARE at least somewhat consistent and functional laws. If the lawmakers and enforcement are so corrupt that even being a law abiding citizen can screw you over, then well, might as well as grab a gun.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#6153: Jan 22nd 2019 at 5:50:45 AM

The irony is, of course, that organised crime leans very heavily towards using very intricate social rules, codes of conduct and conventions of its own, regardless of its perceived lawlessness. And, the punishments for even minor transgression against the rules of your firm... are usually quite severe.

The hint is in the name.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 22nd 2019 at 1:53:33 PM

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6154: Jan 22nd 2019 at 5:56:32 AM

The rules may exist but whether they're actually followed or even enforced tends to vary. It's as much about making themselves feel organised and "ethical", as it is actually being that.

Of course, there's the cultural component as well.

Edited by TerminusEst on Jan 22nd 2019 at 5:59:16 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#6155: Jan 22nd 2019 at 6:01:27 AM

[up] I think that hits the nail exactly on the head. It’s more the trappings of civility than actual civility. They’ll happily break and ignore the rules to their hearts content, but they feel better having them.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jan 22nd 2019 at 6:02:09 AM

They should have sent a poet.
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#6156: Jan 22nd 2019 at 7:10:31 AM

Yeah, there are difference between laws and those "rules."

The latter tends to be almost exclusively self serving and hypocritical.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.
raziel365 Anka Aquila from South of the Far West (Veteran) Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#6157: Jan 29th 2019 at 5:48:46 AM

Last Sunday, a couple of thieves tried to mug a construction worker and the worker threw a rock to one of them, killing him, while the other ran away.

Now, the construction worker will have to serve five years in prison while paying fifty thousand soles in civil reparations whereas the thief will be let free in less than a year.

If you are wondering why we don’t exactly have much sympathy to criminals being shot or killed, this is one of the reasons.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#6158: Jan 29th 2019 at 6:25:42 AM

Self-defense laws really should have let the guy off if said muggers were armed and he had every reason to fear for his life.

Unless a case was made that the mugging victim wasn't fearing for his life.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
#6159: Feb 6th 2019 at 7:22:29 PM

There's been arrest made in Japan due to child abuse in Chiba:

From NHK:

Mia Kurihara was found dead at her home in Noda City, near Tokyo, in late January. Police have arrested her parents on suspicion of inflicting injuries.

Police say the girl did not attend school at all in January. Her father had told the school his daughter will be absent until the end of the month because she will be with her family in Okinawa.

But the girl's mother had a different story. She has reportedly told investigators her husband physically abused the girl during the school's winter vacation, resulting in bruises on visible parts of her body.

She says her husband ordered her not to let the girl out of their home to avoid raising suspicion.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, speaking in the Diet on Wednesday, expressed a strong determination to have relevant ministries and agencies do all they can to prevent such abuse.

In an emergency meeting at the prime minister's office, Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Kazuhiro Sugita instructed top ministry and agency officials to step up measures against child abuse.

The government plans to convene a meeting of relevant ministers shortly to discuss measures such as better cooperation between education boards and child welfare centers.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe says he will call a meeting of relevant cabinet ministers on Friday over the death of a ten-year-old girl who was apparently abused by her parents.

The girl was found dead at her home near Tokyo in January. Police have arrested her parents on suspicion of inflicting injuries.

Speaking in the Diet on Thursday, Abe expressed regret that both the school and the board of education missed the girl's desperate calls for help.

He said the fact that institutions that are meant to protect children failed to do so is something the government takes seriously.

Abe added that relevant Cabinet ministers will discuss measures for urgent checks on children's safety, new rules for handling information on possibly abused children, and better cooperation between schools and child welfare centers.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
#6160: Feb 12th 2019 at 8:04:56 PM

El Chapo is found guilty in his trial.

Now the jokes are running if he'll be able to bust out of a supermax-type prison.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#6161: Feb 12th 2019 at 8:28:33 PM

It's plausible but not as easy as his last location.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#6162: Feb 13th 2019 at 6:26:05 AM

An NYPD detective was struck and killed by friendly fire last night while responding to a robbery call. [1]

His partner was struck as well but is in stable condition. It’s not immediately clear how the two came into the line of fire, officers on the scene were firing at the robbery suspect who was brandishing what was later discovered to be a replica handgun.

Edited by archonspeaks on Feb 13th 2019 at 6:31:06 AM

They should have sent a poet.
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#6163: Feb 13th 2019 at 10:45:44 AM

[up]x3 I thought he was going to be Trump's new DEA head?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#6164: Feb 13th 2019 at 3:43:16 PM

An investigation into gang activities has nailed a bunch of people and is largely focussed on the White Supremacist gang "The New Aryan Empire".

The New Aryan Empire, an Arkansas-based white supremacist group, has committed attempted murder, kidnapping and maiming in support of its organization and drug-trafficking operation, federal prosecutors said Tuesday in announcing the indictment of 54 of the group's roughly 5,000 members.

The indictment resulted from an investigation dubbed To The Dirt, which began in 2016 when federal authorities assisted the Pope County sheriff's office in a murder case involving members of the supremacist group that began as a prison gang in 1990 and has since expanded outside the prison and to neighboring communities and states. The superseding indictment, returned Feb. 5 and publicly released Tuesday, follows the U.S. attorney's office announcement in 2017 that it had indicted 70 people in the same operation on drug-trafficking and firearms charges.

The new, superseding indictment charges 17 of the 54 defendants with crimes under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO, and the Violent Crimes in Aid of Racketeering statute, called VICAR.

More details in the article.

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raziel365 Anka Aquila from South of the Far West (Veteran) Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
#6165: Feb 14th 2019 at 6:26:44 PM

An update of the case previously mentioned by Kazuya.

Policeman Elvis Miranda, who was put in preventive prison after killing a criminal in an operation, has been released after the judge of Junín approved his Habeas Corpus to the joy of his family and the cheer of fellow Peruvians sick of crime, our Interior Ministry also joined the celebration with the hashtag #JusticiaparaPNPMiranda (#JusticeforPolicemenMiranda).

I’m fully aware of the Values Dissonance for the Usonian and European troppers here by the way.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#6166: Feb 14th 2019 at 6:41:46 PM

Yeah but it is worth noting not only is that happening in a different country but a different culture with different local occurrences shaping their attitudes and views towards the events in question.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#6167: Feb 14th 2019 at 7:16:06 PM

Having read up on this case a bit, I’m just going to say I don’t know if “values dissonance” is really the right term. I don’t think this officer should have been imprisoned, but the public being sick of crime doesn’t give police the authority to act outside the law. We all saw how that went in the Philippines.

They should have sent a poet.
Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
#6168: Feb 15th 2019 at 4:02:24 AM

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2019/02/07/wheres-babis-geolocating-the-alleged-father-son-kidnapping-mystery/

A (Black comedy kinda) case where the Czech president was mentioned to have said that his son was kidnapped.

The OSINT investigation begs to differ.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#6169: Feb 15th 2019 at 8:23:28 PM

An internal investigation at Houston PD has uncovered an undercover narcotic officer falsified a search warrant which lead to the shooting death of two and the shooting injuries of five cops during a drug raid last month.

    Article 
An internal Houston police investigation has uncovered alarming deficiencies in the department's narcotics division that led to an allegedly falsified search warrant used to justify a southeast Houston drug raid last month that killed two Pecan Park residents and injured five officers, according to documents obtained Friday by the Houston Chronicle.

In a hastily called press conference, Police Chief Art Acevedo said Gerald Goines, the veteran narcotics case agent at the center of the controversy, will likely face criminal charges. The internal investigation revealed he allegedly lied about using a confidential informant to conduct an undercover buy at the residence on Harding Street. The buy led to a raid and a fatal gunfight at the house the next day, killing Dennis Tuttle, 59, and Rhogena Nicholas, 58, and injuring five Houston Police Department officers.

The debacle, which has infuriated officers across the department and which critics say has damaged public trust in HPD, and infuriated members of the department's rank-and-file, also prompted Acevedo to order an "extensive audit" of the 175-member narcotics division and an examination of Goines' recent cases.

We know that there's already a crime that's been committed," Acevedo said. "It's a serious crime when we prepare a document to go into somebody's home, into the sanctity that is somebody's home. It has to be truthful, it has to be honest, it has to be factual. We know already there's a crime that's been committed. There's high probability there will be a criminal charge."

Houston Police Officers' Union President Joe Gamaldi said that while he was "extremely concerned and disturbed" by the allegations that came to light Friday, they were "not indicative" of the performance of the rest of the department's 5,200 officers. He pledged to back any reforms needed to avoid similar misconduct in the future.

"We certainly feel this is an isolated incident," he said. "However, we will certainly support any review or changes to policy that need to be made in order to ensure that something like this never happens again."

The critical allegations were outlined in a sworn affidavit written by HPD Officer R. Bass, with the department's Special Investigations Unit, who asked a judge for a search warrant to examine the cell phone of officer Steven Bryant, an undercover narcotics officer relieved of duty after the shooting.

The Chronicle normally does not publish the names of undercover officers, but Goines and Bryant were identified in an affidavit related to a search warrant and both have been relieved of duty by Acevedo.

In the initial HPD warrant, Goines wrote that he monitored a buy at the home by a confidential informant, who identified the substance that was purchased as heroin and said there was a 9mm handgun in the house. Police obtained a no-knock warrant —allowing them to enter unannounced — and burst into the small southeast home the next day to a hail of gunfire.

At the end of the shootout, both Tuttle and Nicholas had been shot to death, and five officers were injured — four by gunfire. Police found 18 grams of marijuana — about half an ounce — and a little more than a gram of white powder, but no heroin or trafficking paraphernalia. After the fatal operation, neighbors pushed back on assertions by police the residence was a drug house.

HPD investigators have not been unable to locate the confidential informants who Goines claimed — in two separate interviews — made the undercover purchases at the Pecan Park home, according to Bass' affidavit.

When detectives talked to the informants, both said they'd worked for Goines but never purchased drugs at the 7815 Harding home where Tuttle and Nicholas were killed. Investigators then got a full list of Goines' confidential informants, and they all denied making a buy at the Tuttle house or ever purchasing narcotics from Nicholas or Tuttle.

Bryant told investigators he had retrieved two bags of heroin from the center console of Goines' police car at the instruction of another officer. That was not consistent with the affidavit used to obtain the warrant for the Jan. 28 raid, which said Bryant identified heroin brought out of the house. Though he took the two bags of drugs for testing to determine that they were heroin, Bryant eventually said he had never seen the narcotics in question before retrieving them from the car.

Investigators are reviewing Goines' past cases, Acevedo said, adding that he's assigned Assistant Chief Pedro Lopez to take a broader look "to make sure that we're not being myopic, that we look at our entire narcotics operation out there, in terms of the street level units, and they'll be conducting a very extensive audit."

The allegations of false information used to conduct a raid that led to the death of two residents and left five officers injured further stunned and angered residents. It marked one of most significant cases of police misconduct within the narcotics division in decades.

"When I joined this police department I told my people that if you lie you die," Acevedo he said. "I've been here over two years and you will not find anyone here that has a sustained dishonesty violation who is a member of this department."

As Friday's revelations raised renewed calls for outside scrutiny, Acevedo dismissed the need for an independent investigation.

"The Houston Police Department is conducting a robust investigation, a thorough investigation, an impartial investigation into everything that occurred leading up to and during that raid," he said, repeating past promises of transparency.

However, he was emphatic his officers had legitimate reasons to investigate the house, citing a 911 call about the location from a woman reporting to be the mother of a young woman using heroin there.

"We have the CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch), we have the audio, we have the patrol units that responded," Acevedo said. "This was not just an investigator who decided to go target a house as far as we've determined so far, for no reason."

The Chronicle has requested a copy of the 911 call Acevedo referenced, but HPD has asked Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton to allow the request to be withheld.

Mayor Sylvester Turner called for a "full and thorough" investigation, urging that it be completed "as soon as possible."

"I will refrain from commenting about it until I have all facts before me," he said, in an emailed statement.

Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg said her office was continuing to work with police to investigate the matter.

"After a thorough review, our Civil Rights Division prosecutors will present this case to a grand jury to determine if any criminal charges are warranted," Ogg said, in an emailed statement.

Former Chief Charles A. Mc Clelland said the scandal constitutes serious violations of civil and constitutional rights, and possibly puts the city in civil jeopardy.

"It goes to the highest type of corruption any time police officers are accused of fabricating evidence," he said. "And it has betrayed the public trust."

Mc Clelland, who allowed FBI agents to review HPD investigations into a number of police brutality cases, said the scandal merited an external probe.

"If I was chief, I would also ask the FBI to conduct its own independent investigation," he said. "Everybody at HPD needs to be held accountable — from Goines' supervisors all the way to the chief of police."

Houston defense attorneys warned that Goines' conduct could jeopardize many pending cases.

"The saddest part of all of this, is this guy probably would have gotten away with it, but for the fact it was a botched raid and police officers were shot and innocent people killed," said Doug Murphy, a criminal defense attorney and president of Harris County Criminal Lawyers Association.

Acevedo showed little tolerance for the alleged conduct of his officers, and later expressed compassion for the relatives of the couple slain in the botched raid.

"When laziness includes lying on an affidavit, you're more than likely going to get arrested," Acevedo said. "And we will have no problem putting ... handcuffs on someone who violated the public trust."

The chief said he had spoken directly to the family, but gave no details.

"I feel really badly for the Tuttle family, because no matter what we find there will always be a doubt," Acevedo said. " I'm not saying we're not going to find things but there's always 'what could they have done differently,' and my heart goes out to them because, they have a lot of unanswered questions."

Edited by tclittle on Feb 15th 2019 at 10:24:44 AM

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#6170: Feb 15th 2019 at 8:26:26 PM

Illegal searches are sadly still somewhat common. A faked warrant is a new one, usually you’ll see the “exigent circumstance” loophole being abused.

They should have sent a poet.
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#6171: Feb 15th 2019 at 10:11:48 PM

Wow, that is an epic cluster fuck. Someone is in for a world of massive trouble. You would think though someone would double check the work on a warrant given how key they are to any case. I think a lot of questions need to be asked here.

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Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
#6172: Feb 22nd 2019 at 8:43:30 PM

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/americans-arrested-in-haiti-with-arsenal-of-guns-won-t-face-us-charges-1.569712

The armed men arrested in Haiti won’t face charges and it’s pissing the Haitians.

Looks like most of them are discharged from military service.

Edited by Ominae on Feb 22nd 2019 at 8:43:41 AM

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
#6173: Feb 26th 2019 at 10:29:40 PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/just-one-in-240-gardaAD-from-a-minority-background-1.3513045

https://www.thejournal.ie/diversity-garda-4058536-Jun2018/

2018 articles on more ethnic minority recruitment to the Garda. Although the comments on the Journal are accusing the Garda of being too politically correct and the move "serves" a liberal agenda.

Which is BS.

Edited by Ominae on Feb 26th 2019 at 10:29:48 AM

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Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
#6174: Mar 11th 2019 at 7:35:31 PM

I'm not surprised at this move:

From NHK:

Malaysian police are asking their counterparts in other countries to be on the lookout for, and detain, four North Korean men suspected in the 2017 killing of the half-brother of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

Two women, one Indonesian and one Vietnamese, were accused of murdering Kim Jong Nam with VX nerve agent at Kuala Lumpur airport in February 2017. Both said they believed it was a prank for a reality TV show.

The Indonesian, Siti Aisyah, was released on Monday after the charges against her were dropped.

The Malaysian police believe the women were acting on instructions of the four men, who are believed to have fled Malaysia right after the killing.

The men are listed on the international wanted list of the International Criminal Police Organization, or ICPO.

Police also wanted to question the second secretary at the North Korean Embassy in Kuala Lumpur and an employee of North Korea's state-run airline in connection with the case. Both apparently left Malaysia in the month after the incident.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
#6175: Mar 14th 2019 at 7:51:50 PM

There’s a gunman firing near the vicinity of a mosque in Christchurch.

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