This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Well, I know why I'm here; getting into an Edit War on Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle. I did PM Shinwashi over the "arguably", but didn't hear back from him. In future, if this sort of thing happens, I'll PM the troper in question and bring it up in the Discussion page instead of re-contesting the edit. You have my assurances this won't happen again.
Edited by mlsmithca on Sep 25th 2019 at 9:47:59 AM
~mlsmithca, a lot of people choose to bring up potential edit wars in ATT as well. In fact, I've definitely seen you post there as well for similar issues, so I'm not sure why on this one there was a misstep.
Anyway, you know why you're here, you have a plan for how to avoid this in the future, so this was quick and easy. Please work to resolve this one constructively. Thank you.
I am very much willing to play ball, by no making such posts again. It's a promise.
Please change the name as it will be far more accurate than just using "The Psychopath" I mean it is not fun or informative when you have "The Jingo" "The Unwilling Conscript" "The Broken Soldier" they are far more descriptive than "The Psychopath" I am not arbitrarily changing things I am taking the practical approach to the tropes as I see that there is far more potential to inform people than allowing conjecture to which you are against "The Sociopath" page is far more informative as it has objective facts behind it while pages for which have "Ho-Yay/Foe-Yay" "Ambiguously Gay/Bi" such as Light & Mello's from Death Note Vanille & Fangs from FFXIII being given these because the Yaoi/Yuri "fandom" have their bias against those characters being heterosexuals on the topic of Vanille she showed signs that she may have romantic feeling for Hope so I am having difficulties with you guys being focused on legitimacy from the source material as I stated about "fanfiction's" being a delusional retelling of the source material as they are full of conjecture as well as a bias against the creator to fit the delusional teen & adults subjective image of the story because they did not like the the creator's image of the story! I was all ways told to be honest with myself even if other people do not like it so I am by being blunt with you guys so yeah I am not going to feign politeness just to be heard because I am not a part of a machine as I have my own emotions & opinions!
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With an appeal like that, it'll be best if we show you the door.
Goodbye.
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How sweet it is
As for you, ~Klark Kent The3rd: Good to hear. You're released.
Edited by Berrenta on Sep 26th 2019 at 9:54:34 AM
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So I was given a thump in the Wo W thread for responding to a troper, Midget Snow Man saying the Warcraft III to Cataclysm theme of the Horde was based around racism for portraying the characters as savages.
I responded by saying that the theme of races like the Tauren, who are explicitly based on Native americans, antagonizing Medieval Europe based humans and scottish accented Dwarves had more Unfortunate Implications, and was thumped/given a thread ban for it.
Midget Snow Man started the discussion of racism in Warcraft and received no punishment. I don't see why that should be the case. I don't see how my post was any worse then his and neither of us named any writers, just that there were Unfortunate Implications.
Edited by Monsund on Sep 26th 2019 at 12:57:26 PM
~FigureGunplaFan, I think we need to have a quick discussion about your posts in Get Help with English, as it pertains to your suspension.
Going over the Rules thread, I don't understand what I did?
I didn't insult anyone, I merely stated an opinion in a discussion as far as I can see.
How sweet it is
In the World of Warcraft topic, it appears you were arguing in bad faith: accusations towards the developers, then sending a retaliatory holler after your post got thumped.
Also of note, this is the third time you were sent here. I hope you have a good reason to be readmitted for one of our very rare fourth chances.
Edited by Berrenta on Sep 26th 2019 at 7:41:51 AM
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RE: Berrenta
In my post, all I said was if depicting tauren and Trolls as a noble Warrior race is racist in nature as the other poster said, then so is depicting them as evil, especially when they are antagonizing Medieval European Fantasy humans. Nowhere did I say that was an actual intention of the developers.
I sent the holler because if my post saying there's bad implications in the above was against the rules, shouldn't saying there's bad implications in the portrayal of the Warcraft III Horde be against the rules as well?
There were no accusations towards the developers, we can even look at the post and go over it.
The other times, I was sent here was for an Edit War due to my misunderstanding of how to handle an Edit War and confusion with a troper(Ramona) who was permabanned several years ago. I've never repeated those mistakes and been consistently cautious, regularly checking the rules.
I'm sincerely confused as going over the forum rules, I honestly don't understand what I broke?
EDIT: If a moderator was the one who sent me a PM, I'm currently unable to read it.
EDIT 2: Would it be possible to look at my post(seen here) and see if it accused the developers. I believe my post has been misunderstood as while I said there was Unfortunate Implications, I never stated or accused the developers of doing it intentionally.
Edited by Monsund on Sep 26th 2019 at 11:23:07 AM
To nombretomado: Responding to this comment
Lemme guess. Spam? Look, I'm sorry about that since I tend to update things frequently or occasionally.
Edited by FigureGunplaFan on Sep 26th 2019 at 11:44:42 PM
Contributor for Gunpla Wiki. Currently suspended due to extensive writing issues. PS: I only wrote down what I saw. (audience reactions etc)
The Man in the Van with a Plan
Did some stupid things with this account three years ago and got myself suspended, abandoned it until now. I'm mostly interested in restoring it to make the occasional small spelling or grammatical correction when I come across them.
I sincerely apologize for pressing the holler button at Midget Snow Man's post, I was confused, misunderstood the situation and reacted wrongly.
I'll be catching up tonight.
~HighCrate, if no other mod is active between now and then, I will provide the conclusion they have reached (despite excluding myself), so you are not left hanging.
~FigureGunplaFan, the root of the matter is that we are not seeing progress, and it's even more troubling because there have been a lot of opportunities for you to show improvement. By my count ~175-200 posts in the GHWE thread, and you are still having issues not only with grammar, but also with context, basic example writing, and correct trope application.
We do not send people to that thread to hang out there endlessly. Our goal is for you to improve and get your suspension released so you can edit on your own. Unfortunately, it does not seem like you are making the effort.
You can choose how to move from here. But if you continue as you have been - making frequent requests in the thread without showing any substantial improvement - we will likely have to call the game and suspend even that method of contributing.
~Camolot, it has been quite a while! I see simply on your suspension notes that you have issues with Natter, and Example Indentation as well. Please take a look at those Administrivia pages and then we'll discuss how to avoid those pitfalls moving forward.
Edited by nombretomado on Sep 27th 2019 at 3:35:00 AM
~Monsund, I admit to not being very familiar with WoW, but I can see in a quick scan of your posting habits in the thread that you tend to not only be rather negative, but also in a consistent way that comes across as complaining. We don't need everyone to be happy about everything, but reading complaints over and over again can get rather old, especially for other tropers who are participating in the same thread and trying to have a different conversation.
RE: nombretomado
I try to keep things based around constructive criticism, but I see your point that even you point which specific elements bother you, it can ruin the thread, especially if done multiple times..
I'll take a very long break from the thread and just focus on my other works, such as I have several effort posts I want to send to help another troper here.
EDIT: Also if you sent the message, my PM reading is turned off right now.
Edited by Monsund on Sep 27th 2019 at 3:47:45 AM
The Man in the Van with a Plan
Alright, I read through the administravia. What do I need to do next?
To nombretomado: Responding to this comment
I see...
Guess I'll cease and leave then.
Edited by FigureGunplaFan on Sep 27th 2019 at 11:05:39 PM
Contributor for Gunpla Wiki. Currently suspended due to extensive writing issues. PS: I only wrote down what I saw. (audience reactions etc)
How sweet it is
It'd be a shame for you to leave instead of improving your English and example writing skills, but if that's your choice...
Farewell, Figure Gunpla Fan.
Edited by Berrenta on Sep 27th 2019 at 10:08:09 AM
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
~HighCrate, mod agreement is that you are actively impeding the clean-up thread, even when attempting to operate in good faith. We will not permit you to participate in that clean-up effort, either in the thread(s) or by editing unreleased work pages. If you are found to be doing so, you will be brought right back here.
I will page ~Septimus Heap and ~Berrenta for any follow-up you may have.
If that's your final decision, I'll accept it, but only under protest.
I've been accused of being unwilling to compromise, and I think that's unfair. The unreleased work policy is a compromise, and a good one. To the people who just want to play around with unreleased works, it says, "okay, you can do that, but stick to describing what's been released to the public." And to the people who just want to keep the wiki free of speculation, it says, "okay, you can do that, but leave the stuff that's describing what's been released to the public be."
It's a little more work for everyone. The first group have to abide by restrictions that they'd rather not be bound by, and the second group can't just cutlist all unreleased work pages and call it a day, which would be an easier way of accomplishing their goals. But a little extra work is a small price to pay if it gets everybody what they really want. It's a good compromise.
Except that there's a vocal and stubborn minority within that first group who aren't willing to abide by the spirit of the compromise, persistently slap a token citation on what is otherwise blatant speculation about material that has not been released to the public, and argue vociferously with even the most reasonable attempt to explain to them why this is unacceptable, and they've managed to shout down just about everyone in the second group.
It's as if one group wants vanilla ice cream, and another group wants strawberry, and the first group has put pink food dye in the vanilla ice cream and doesn't understand why the strawberry group is unhappy. It gives the superficial appearance of a compromise, but there's no substance to it. (Also they keep petitioning to dispense with the food dye and just cross out "vanilla" on the box and write in "strawberry" in pencil.)
Characterizing that as me "impeding" the cleanup for attempting to enforce the spirit of the compromise is a distortion.
Edited by HighCrate on Sep 28th 2019 at 1:09:41 AM
~CriminalChaos666, you are not the only person editing this wiki, and no single troper gets to arbitrarily change the definition or name of a trope. We have systems to go through that process.