Edit banned/Suspended - would like to edit again.

Correction; There was one person disagreeing with the decision by the time I created the page, but I went with the 3:1 consensus. And I realise that I should have been less hasty, but then again, hindsight is 20/20.

Hello, I am bbb35 and I have received the message you have sent me regarding my suspension to TV Tropes editing page. I understand that the issue is the possibility that I will continue making spelling and grammatical errors and that is why you want me to the thread. I understand the reasons for my suspension but I am still hoping to have it lifted by December at the latest.

I know the reasons for my suspension and I promise to be more careful in the future. I fully intend on having a friend proofread my tropes before I post them. I promise to keep using that thread in order to avoid any future errors. Once again, I have learned my lesson and I hope that I can prove myself and soon suspension lifted.

Edited by bbb35 on Nov 18th 2018 at 7:24:48 AM

Can I get unbanned from On-Topic Conversations? Someone finally posted something there that makes me want to write something constructive.

I have received an edit ban after three of my edits were reverted by the same user. I do understand that these edits had an either political or philosophical content and I am aware that people are generally biased when it comes to these subjects, which is why I am putting great effort into writing such content as politically neutral as possible.

One of the edits in question was on the Men Act, Women Are page, which was reverted in two parts, one time for "sounding like an anti-feminist argument", as if that would invalidate my point somehow. The other was for style reasons. I know that this is a touchy subject, but you simply cannot understand this trope fully without the evolutionary argument, which is why I believe that the example should definitely be on the page somehow.

The other two edits have been on the controversy surrounding Elisabeth Warren and her DNA test. Since she vehemently tried to invoke the One-Drop Rule, this should become an example there. I wrote this example with extreme caution, so why this was labelled "a blatant strawman" is absolutely beyond me. Since Warren did not succeed, this makes it an example for Pass Fail as well, although the case there may be a matter of discussion.

I believe that all three of these examples have merit, so I would like to put them on their respective discussion page in order to see if we can reach an agreement.

Edited by generalerror on Nov 21st 2018 at 4:58:08 AM

Hello there. It appears I've had an edit suspension.

I have an idea this is to do with my edits to the Dragon Ball TV Tropes pages, which I've been trying to alter to correct various namings/details to be more universal, and put a bit more emphasis on the more accurate translations used in the subtitles of the shows.

My logic was that the dub terms would be totally alien to anyone unfamiliar with the American dubs — so, anyone who was a casual viewer in the UK or Canada, or is familiar with any non-English version would be totally lost — so, any character names should use the accurate, somewhat universal subtitle names, with a note explaining their alternate dub names. And even outside of dub names so as to ensure any reader should be able to figure out what's going on. There's also the problem of the rather crap translation overall in many of the dubs, which leads to information based on the dubs to often be at odds with what went on in the original. Something as simple as "Over 9000" is in fact a mis-translation, with the original being 8000, and GT is of particular note, as Funimation's dub introduced various plot holes which weren't in the original, or the alternate dub that aired in the UK and Canada. One character in the original Dragon Ball, Tsuru-Sennin in the subs and the Canadian/UK dub, was called Shen in the US dub, which caused a character originally called Shen to be renamed in the US dub... The Kai dub tended to correct a lot of problems, but that only covered the Z portion of the story, and there are still issues... However, even things Kai changed(For instance, changing their spelling of Vegetto to be correct, rather than their older use of "Vegito") are often described incorrectly here on TV Tropes, defaulting to the original dubs' way of doing things, so... The fact things aren't even consistent with each-other is even more troublesome than the fact that dub-isms are used at all. One user complained to me over a PM that my terminology isn't the "Offical dub terms", but they didn't say anything to me after I laid out my case to them in a response.

Having now looked into it, it appears more recent translations are favoured over older translations, so it would make sense that, at the very least, the Kai dub terminology should be taken into account, being more recent than translations of the original run... However the subtitle translations in Dragon Ball are always assembled after the dubs, with the dubs being assembled before TV airings, then later being put on DVD, and the subtitles being assembled for the DVD releases, after the dub audio track is already long since done, so for Dragon Ball, Z, and GT, naturally the subtitle translation would be the more recent, thus preferred translation. And of course, even when the case of Kai comes up, where that came after the original dub and subtitles, Kai of course, has its own subtitle track, which is — as is often the case in Dragon Ball — more accurate than the dub track. In fact, it's more accurate than the original Z subtitle track, as the regular Dragon Ball subtitle translator, Steve Simmons, had had about 10 more years of experience working in subtitling, translation, and Japanese in general. And, given it was most certainly assembled after the dub was, it very clearly should be the preferred translation on this Wiki, right?

So... At the very least, I feel like this should be discussed, rather than everyone just defaulting to the inaccurate dub translations, and automatically throwing my efforts out... I realise I may not be in the right here, but I really don't know, I'm just trying to make clear what my take on all this is, so my position can be best understood...

I apologise if what I did was out of line. I assumed it was just a case of poor communication, and that someone would eventually reach out to me, and the situation could be talked over and resolved, or otherwise that eventually people would just leave my edits alone, since the point of them was to alter the American dub-specific terminology to be more universal.

I admit I'm pretty new to TV Tropes editing, in the past I'd only been a casual browser, so I don't really know the etiquette of the site. So, I do hope I can be forgiven for my wrongdoings. I do assure you, I had no ill intent here, and I really do want to understand how I may be a better editor in future.

I look forward to hearing what way precisely I stepped out of line, assuming I haven't quite hit the nail on the head, and to getting an idea of how I may have handled it better, and learning from this so I may contribute better in future.

Edited by Robo4900 on Nov 23rd 2018 at 6:17:50 PM

~Deadbeatloser 22

I think at that point I was getting frustrated with people just reverting my changes without considering my reasoning, so I left that note to try to at least get my logic across.

I admit my tone definitely reflected my frustrations rather poorly, and I am sorry for letting that get out of hand. But, I'm not sure what I could have done. As I recall, I did try leaving notes along the lines of "Before editing this, please go to the discussion page.", but no one heeded it, at least not that I saw. So... As I say, I got frustrated and... Well... Again, I am sorry for letting my frustrations get out of hand.

Edited by Robo4900 on Nov 23rd 2018 at 6:50:22 PM

I want to appeal my workshop suspension from a while ago.

I know why I was suspended, so I don't feel a need to review the case. I would appreciate to be able to post in the workshop threads again.

Hello I'd like to Edit Again Please Also can you Inform me why i was Banned from Editing in the first Place?

~Septimus Heap Specifically, what spurred me to ask was a post that Marq FJA made in The General Religion, Mythology, and Theology Thread that was interesting here https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13649563530A97164000&page=657#comment-16420

Edited by Soban on Nov 24th 2018 at 11:35:12 AM

I'm here... just in case nobody remembers that.

@SeptimusHeap: I remember I was suspended for snapping at a mod personally in a Trope Repair thread. I am not sure if I understand what you mean with knowing "when" to handle disagreements. You may need to explain.

Hello, I'd like to edit again. Apparently, I was suspended and I don't even know why.

~Deadbeatloser 22 — Thank you. :)

Hello, I am bbb35 and I have received the message you have sent me regarding my suspension to TV Tropes editing page. I understand that the issue is the possibility that I will continue making spelling and grammatical errors and that is why you want me to the thread. I understand the reasons for my suspension but I am still hoping to have it lifted by December at the latest.

I know the reasons for my suspension and I promise to be more careful in the future. I fully intend on having a friend proofread my tropes before I post them. I promise to keep using that thread in order to avoid any future errors. Once again, I have learned my lesson and I hope that I can prove myself and soon suspension lifted.

Hello, and good evening to all who see this message.

I am The_Taming_Interpreter and, as of late, I had recently received a notice that my editing privileges were suspended. If anything my only guess is that it must have had something to do with a change I made that was deemed, religiously motivated, when I looked into the history of the page when I saw that it was changed back.

I will admit that it was rather insensitive of me to be so aggressive in my reasoning for the alteration. I am a man of God, I will not deny that, but The Good Lord does not command me to force his word upon others. For that, I sincerely apologize for my behavior and immaturity.

Nevertheless, with your permission, I would like to once again be able to edit alongside others on the site.

I have only been a member here for a short time, but I feel that I have already made a lot of contributions to pages and believe that I can continue to due so for days, weeks, months and years to come!

Thank you for your time, and have a good night. Godspeed to you all!

I didn't insert any shipping bias. I didn't mention anything shipping related. All I did was post something about Hinata. So why is the double standard that if you post something bad about Sakura, it's okay, but it's a no-no if you write something like that about Hinata?

Hello again to all, um...I wanted to post another quick message if that is okay. You see, to whomever sent me a message, I thank you, however, I am unable to access my messages due to my ability to privately message other also having being revoked.

If it is okay, I would like to request that privilege back as well, so that I can view other messages I have been sent. Thank you once again, and have a good day!

Godspeed to you all!

Edited by The_Taming_Interpreter on Nov 26th 2018 at 11:19:40 AM

I seem to have been suspended. Is there an issue?