The Legend Of Zelda - General Thread

It does come off as kinda flat that Ghirahim is basically the only character in Skyward Sword who isn’t following a prophecy and then it turns out he’s doing it all on orders he doesn’t have a motive for beyond having been ordered.

Plus, after a whole origin story for the Master Sword, the existence of an evil counterpart seems like it should lead to a lot of questions but they’re just never delved into.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 3rd 2023 at 12:47:56 PM

I like to headcanon that Ghirahim is the spirit of the first attempt at creating the master sword but was too unstable and cruel so Hylia sealed him away, where Demise found him.

It also makes you wonder if the evil sword is still around.

Individual games are happy to be loosy goosy about what other games are canon to it.

Ocarina is a prequal to A Link to the Past, and Windwaker is a sequel to Ocarina, but isn't in canon with A Link to the Past, and Twilight Princess is also a sequal to Ocarina of Time, but also isn't canon with Windwaker or A Link to the Past.

That's why I think of the series as as a bunch of people in a village telling different historical stories, but they all disagree in how their versions of histories are meant to fit together.

Saying that as I unlock more memories I'm forming an increasingly radical theory for how Tears of the Kingdom fits into the three timelines. That theory being the events in the past take place near immediately after Skyward Sword. Perhaps Sonia is another interpretation of Skyward Sword's Zelda, or a close descendant. And the present of Breath and Tears takes place in the far future of the Downfall timeline.

Well that doesn't make sense, but the thing that makes it radical is my conclusion that the Hyrule Historia is a bit wrong and Downfall's imprisoning war isn't the one depicted in Ocarina of Time. Mostly because there's no time travel reason for it to exist. Where as Tears provides a really handy excuse, if Zelda hadn't gone back in time, Raruu wouldn't have been able to obliterate the Mulgora, Gannondorf wouldn't have noticed the secret stones, remained mortal and he would have become a minor foot note in ancient history in the Ocarina branching timeline.

It's of course a garish theory and I don't expect people to agree with it, but I had fun cooking it up.

Edit: I desperately want Ghirahim to return, even more than Midna

Edited by Whowho on Jun 3rd 2023 at 8:59:49 PM

I like how Ghirahim and Ganondorf interact in Hyrule Warriors.

I played the WII U version first, so there was a bit where Ghirahim got into trouble and begged for Player Ganondorf to save him and Ganondorf mocks him for having trouble but grudgingly saves him.

Didn't the evil master sword disintegrate when Demise was defeated?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 4:02:45 PM

You can tell from his design that Demise is supposed to be a sort of raw, primordial Ganondorf. That's an appropriate take for the creation myth kind of vibe Skyward Sword has, but Ganondorf inherently has something that Demise does not, even when their goals and motives are identical, and that's the ability to say stuff like "His legend claims that this Gerudo man fed his bottomless ambition with great power and became a king of demons." about Ganondorf. However demonic Ganon is, he became that way because of his ambitions. That just lands in a way that a primordial demon lord crawling out of a pit doesn't quite reach.

On the timeline, I've been kind of flipflopping between wanting to think about BotW and TotK as a duology without caring at all if anything lines up with any other game (like "Ooh, what if the Sheikah eye is actually based on the Zonai third eye? No I don't care that the Sheikah eye emblem existed before Hyrule in Skyward Sword.") and wanting to make connections between TotK's backstory and other games because that's fun too (like "Ooh, what if the Koume and Kotake seen accompanying Ganondorf in the memories are literally the same Koume and Kotake, and 400 years later they raised Ganondorf II to be Demon King Ganondorf's successor?"

So I went into a research ruin area near the Forgotten Temple. Barely the outline of whatever was there, lots of metal crates, no enemies, very open, so I fully anticipated running into a Gloom Swarm at any moment. Opened all the boxes, got arrows (not even to the first main region and I have over 500 arrows), found a sealed well. Saved my game as I fully expected something bad down there, instead just some Ore and a Like Like. Got a Blood Moon, went back to see if the crate items respawned, then I commented on how I guess I was wrong about this being a Gloom Swarm spawn spot. THEN came the ambush.

Apparently whether they show up is random. I saw someone who's pretty far into the game and hasn't seen one yet.

I just had my first The Tetris Effect with Tot K. I'm training a new person at my work and asked if they had Flame Resistant shoes on instead of slip Resistant.

Mentally face palmed after.

Started TOTK! I wonder what happens if you let the Keese at the start of the game kill you. XD

Tetris effect has me seeing stable smoke patterns in the sky.

My Tetris effect was seeing the map circles and waypoints when I closed my eyes.

Also, since TOTK was originally planned as BOTW DLC, i wonder what the original plan/scope for that was.

The ultrahand mechanic feels like something they could have based an entire DLC around, but I fully believe they've spend every working day for years trying to get that ultrahand working as well as it has, so probably not that!

I can imagine it may have been a story-focused DLC that expanded on the Zonai, but not to the extent TOTK features them. Sky islands were probably still a thing, and maybe Ultrahand and the Zonai devices were the DLC's gimmick, though likely not as extensive as they are in Tears.

I would also imagine this DLC version didn't have Ganondorf. It would probably be some smaller scale threat. Maybe the Yiga Clan?

Of course, all of that is 100% speculative. I don't have an uncle that works at Nintendo.

So after playing Tot K for a bit I've realized that this game seems to want you to actually prepare more than in Bot W.

Well every weapon near the surface of Hyrule got decayed during the Upheaval, so Riju's swords would have to be new ones.

Uhhh, Champion Magic. Yeah, the spirits of the Champions now reside in the weapons, and so they can't be decayed by magic.

Link, of course, is still alive, so his spirit isn't in the Master Sword, which is why it could decay.

Edited by diddyknux on Jun 4th 2023 at 5:18:16 AM

For one reason or another I never caught the Giant Horse in BOTW, so I decided to and see if it would transfer to TOTK. I had already transferred some of my horses, so I wanted to see if a new capture would transfer too.

Turns out it did not. Alas.

Good news, the giant horse and royal white stallion do still exist in Tears of the Kingdom even if they weren't registered in your Breath of the Wild save.

I actually released the white horse in my Breath of the Wild save, to make room for a five speed horse, but was able to get it back in Tears of the Kingdom.

They aren't in the same spots they were in Breath of the Wild. I assume their locations are in the pool of hints from Malanya, but I don't know that for certain. I just googled how to get the one I was missing.

I found the white horse purely on accident. Don't even remember where.

x4&x5: I like to imagine that all the weapons in Hyrule decaying happened when the Master Sword broke. Specifically, Ganondorf used an epic-level Destroy Weapon spell of which the Master Sword was the primary target, and the shockwave from that spell hit every other weapon in Hyrule.

Edited by Anura on Jun 4th 2023 at 3:53:41 PM

The giant horse is near where Matanya used to be. I don't know where the white horse is. There is a gold horse connected to a quest, but it does look a little bit silly.

The white stallion is above the Skull Lake in Akkala, there is also another new unique horse that seems to be the offspring of the White Stallion and Giant Horse.

The Golden Horse definitely looks a bit off, I've seen it given the nickname "Piss Horse" a few times because of that.

The compendium speculates that the giant white horse is a mutant of the same lineage as the white horse.

I don’t have the game yet. How many horses can you register? If all my BOTW horses transfer, do I have to let some of them go to get new ones?