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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#1: Dec 26th 2023 at 10:29:07 AM

So between The Pawn and Unwitting Pawn, I don't really see much difference, if any at all?

I mean, aren't ALL pawns, by definition, unwitting of their status?

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fullmusicbard dave bowman but worse from Basement of the Alamo Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#2: Dec 26th 2023 at 10:37:19 AM

The Unwitting Pawn does mention that the pawn may bumble into being a pawn, but honestly? I can't tell the difference either.

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#3: Dec 27th 2023 at 3:48:59 AM

The Pawn wants to be an extreme form of Unwitting Pawn with years of preparation (probably the whole lifetime of the pawn). Similar to a Tyke Bomb, I guess. There is only little overlap in works associated with both tropes.

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Blegh Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#4: Dec 27th 2023 at 5:50:20 AM

It just feels like The Same, but More Specific. The only possible examples that wouldn't fit on Unwitting Pawn are the Theater example (missing some context and seems to be a generic Chess Motif), and the Zelda example (doesn't actually state manipulation, but it's also a subversion).

A past TRS thread decided that The Pawn is a missing supertrope, but no action was taken. That makes sense to me, but I also think the two could just get merged.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#5: Dec 29th 2023 at 4:48:20 PM

Yeah, if anything the Unwitting Pawn page could just mention a lifelong pawn being the most extreme version of this trope.

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