Edit by Kory:
Revamping the reviews section is on my list. So it’ll be good to know all the improvements needed to be made.
Besides the length limit and needing it to be code-enforced, what else could help the reviews section?
my thoughts for possible changes:
- toggle-able notifications for authors
- search bar for latest reviews page
- include main image on review and/or on each review on Latest Reviews page.
- include latest 5 reviews on home page
- Add choices for “would recommend” “mixed feelings” and “wouldn’t recommend” or 5-star system? Thumbs up / down? Ask community to vote.
- add “like” system to reviews like queries.
- Require title , type and content to submit new review. (Type will be used in a sort menu)
- having a way for people to sort reviews by namespaces (macron)
- preview, markup help, img upload and emoji bar for comments and OP
- markup support for OP and comments
- be able to ping other users in comments
Original post by Piterpicher:
Reviews are supposed to be limited to 3,000 characters, and while this does prevent a review from being edited, it does not prevented it from being published. Below is a check of length of the first page of reviews as of this post (counts were done based on a copy-paste of raw text into Notepad++, anything that goes above has an exclamation mark).
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21635: 2551
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=19390: 4259 !
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21634: 1770
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21633: 2932
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21632: 577
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21631: 284
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21630: 173
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21629: 442
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21628: Duplicate of above
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21212: 3799 !
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21625: 2418
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21627: 373
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21626: 2964
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21624: 937
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21623: 261
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=8913: 2353
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21622: 2245
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21513: 370
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=5247: 947
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21620: 515
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21619: 8682 !
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21618: 2545
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21617: 2630
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21615: 2197
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21600: 5067 !
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21614: 1850
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21613: 2965
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21603: 3179 !
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21605: 2221
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21612: 2908
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21609: 2796
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21611: 2250
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21610: 2555
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21608: 2514
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21607: 2791
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21604: 475
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21601: 1839
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21602: 2736
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21597: 449
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21599: 514
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21598: 293
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21543: 1683
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21590: 711
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21596: 431
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21595: 2872
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21594: 3782 !
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=17317: 2903
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21593: 2822
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21592: 1745
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21591: 2869
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21571: 877
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21524: 2641
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21589: 131
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21588: 1063
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21587: 4130 !
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=3638: 1438
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21586: 114
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21585: 881
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=21584: 2605
- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/review_comments.php?id=20823: 505
As it turns out, 7 or approx. 11.7% of reviews on page 1 go above the limit. This isn't much of a percentage, but some of those totals really go way above. Plus, some TMT games I've been reviewing barely squeeze below 3,000 (the one on VideoGame.Plague Tree is doing fine enough, but with new updates and content, I feel like it'll be difficult to manage, and a game with a really large amount of content that I've been testing is coming out soon where squeezing to 3,000 would likely be a disservice to it). Besides, we live in an age where people make 10-hour analyses of games on YouTube (but they can get away with those because you can just leave the person speaking while you do something else) and 1440p screens are seeking further adoption. Therefore, it would be wise to increase it.
My suggestion would be 5,000 characters, which should take about half a 1440p screen, and make sure the limit is hardcoded upon publication. We should also automatically mark reviews based on their content, with my proposed classifications being Quick (below 1,000 characters), Standard (1,000 to 3,000), and Detailed (above 3,000). Of course, this doesn't indicate how deep the writer actually goes, but that's not something we can manage (we can let people flag them if it's clear the writer is inflating to get a higher category). But of course, maybe people have something else in mind. Either way, this needs something done.
Edited by kory on Sep 3rd 2023 at 1:45:19 AM
Is there a way to fix the fact that most fanfic reviews take you to Fanfic Recs/ instead of Fanfic/? That was an Eddie choice that doesn't really make sense in practice.
We may also want to make it so that reviews cannot be posted without a title, which is a common event that makes it impossible to read said review from the review screen.
These are more bugfixes though, not really ways to make it more popular.
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 1st 2023 at 3:58:46 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessIs sorting works by review count an interesting metric?
Also I've noticed in the reviews, work names don't have a link, while the review titles link to the work's reviews subpage and not to that specific review, so you can't get to individual reviews from this menu unless they have comments.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI like writing reviews and I often wish more people responded to them because I love having conversations about media. If it's a matter of not many people checking the space, then I'd like to see something to increase engagement in that area. Thematic analysis and critical discussion is a massive factor of my engagement with media and my opinions toward it (what a work is saying and how well it says it are essential to me as a storyteller and story-lover myself) so I quietly but firmly disagree with analysis being something reviews aren't for.
That being said, I'm relatively mixed on increasing the character limit. I try to go back and check if a review I've published exceeds the limit and I work to trim it when it does. While that's been an excellent exercise in learning to be concise and prioritize the things I want my review to impart, it can also feel like a restriction that forces me to sacrifice some phrasing or opinions that I would have liked to include. Maybe 4,000 characters would be an okay balance over an increase to 5,000. I don't know if I'd ever need 5,000 but I can't see myself in the position of having to sacrifice writing within a 4,000 limit.
Edited by 8BrickMario on Sep 1st 2023 at 6:03:18 AM
This might be a self-report, but I think to make reviews grow, they shouldn't be as tucked away as they are. Personally, I keep forgetting they exist, even if I'd probably find them helpful.
... Huh, I literally never noticed that link, although since it's just 'all reviews in reverse chronological order', not sure I'd use it much even if I had.
I guess they mean that seeing if a work has reviews is in the little navbar at the top of the screen. It's really more of a "you have to be looking for it" type link as opposed to the subpages, I guess?
Avatar SourceAh I see. and I could insert some sort of little box after the main image that shows recent reviews if they exist for a work? Or something like that.
although since it's just 'all reviews in reverse chronological order', not sure I'd use it much even if I had.
Ya that’s why I suggested giving a search bar and other things to help make the latest review page much more useful. Added my list of suggestions to the OP.
Edited by kory on Sep 3rd 2023 at 1:35:48 AM
Now monitoring Wishlist and BugsYeah, or maybe moving the review link to some other element that might actually get attention—"between page history and the discussion link" limits it pretty much to people already looking for it, or regular editors.
Avatar SourceFwiw, a lot of the interface on mobile is tucked away out of necessity.
I do like what some online stores do by providing the most liked positive and negative reviews at the top, if that's feasible.
Probably also a lower priority, but maybe different likes for reviews that were helpful in deciding whether to invest time into the work vs. those that were an anjoyable read.
Oh yeah, I forgot it's not even visible on mobile◊ unless you know it's there.
Avatar SourceI don't know if this is the proper place to suggest this, but would it be possible to have it so reviews can be added to Recap pages? I sometimes see people leave reviews for single episodes of a series, instead of having a review for the series overall.
If I recall correctly, people temporarily change pagetype to "work", add review, then return pagetype to "examples".
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Ya that sounds like a good idea. Added that to my list.
Now monitoring Wishlist and Bugs