Not Sherlock Holmes
I think a twist villain is at least better than no villain, which Disney is apparently hooked on after Encanto.
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I don't think there is a problem with twist villains, I think the thing is that their motivations and personalities in Disney films have been criticized as too contrieved or quick, like how some people complain about Hans from Frozen showing his true side with too little foreshadowing and way too quickly.
Edited by good-morning on Mar 18th 2023 at 6:17:56 AM
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I'm just happy Disney has finally decided to go back to using a straightforward villain for the first time in 6-11 years.
It's been 3000 years…
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6-11 years?
Do we not know when we had an unambiguous villain or not?
The most recent unambiguous villain I can think of is probably King Candy. Yeah, he's technically a twist villain, but he works because he starts as a jerk from the word "go" and his epic reveal only enhances his jerkiness.
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One of the best ones they came up with. 
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x2
The villain girl from Raya and the Last Dragon was less than five years ago. Yeah she wasn't in the trailers (but from what I saw anyways) but the actual movie establishes her as the villain pretty much from the start.
This may seem dumb, but I have a suspicion that Asha helself will be the villain, or perhaps be a Protagonist Journey to Villain. The song More For Us has lyrics about ambition and dismissing consequences. Granted times hsve changed, but there is the trope Ambition Is Evil.
But why do I feel so weighed down by you?
If I could show them everything I've seen,
Open their eyes to all the lies then,
Would they change their minds like I did?
But when I speak they tell me "Sit down."
But how can I when I've already started running?
Oh, this is where we've been, but it's not where we belong And I may be young, but I know I'm not wrong
So I look up at the stars to guide me And throw caution to every warning sign
If knowing what it could be is what drives me Then let me be the first to stand in line So I make this wish To have something more for us than this So I make this wish To have something more for us than... this!
I never knew I needed room to grow Yeah I did what I was told cause someone told me "No." Now I got all of this freedom in my bones, But I still got the lid on so it doesn't overflow Cause I've got reservations and hesitations on where I should even begin! '''I'm past dipping my toes in, but I'm not, no, I'm not past diving in!''' If I can just be pointed in any given direction On where to go and what to do My legs are shaking But my head's held high The way you always taught me to
Edited by generation81 on Mar 24th 2023 at 12:56:13 PM
The King Without a Kingdom
I have my doubts that they would make the 100th anniversary movie a Protagonist Journey to Villain type of plot. This will definitely be a more straightforward thing.
It's been 3000 years…
Admittedly true, and you just know that Disney, even at its creative peaks, would never have the balls to do such a story.
Edited by generation81 on Mar 24th 2023 at 3:23:14 PM
The Disney protagonist that comes closest to a villian would probably be Kuzco, and even then he's more of a jerk than outright evil.
I mean Kuzco threw a little old man to his death for throwing off his groove! Can't recall if the guy actually died, though.
Edited by HamburgerTime on Mar 24th 2023 at 7:08:25 AM
This is going to be so much fun.
x6 but then that requires remembering or acknowledging Raya's existence ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
We see him hanging on a banner. It's implied Cuzco has done it repeatedly to him too.
Edited by Ookamikun on Mar 24th 2023 at 8:09:49 PM
At the end of the film kuzco apologizes to the old man who isn't upset at all, being used to getting thrown out. One of the last roles John fiedler (piglet) voiced and a hilarious performance.
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Kuzco's flavor of villainy/douchiness would fall under Heroic Comedic Sociopath, and even then he still grows out of it by the end (and the movie doesn't waste any time introducing Pacha as a moral contrast, either).
If Disney ever did try to do a protagonist-to-villain story I'd only assume it'd be with a "real" protagonist acting as a counterweight.
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Oh that was that guy!? Huh, wild! I can't believe I forgot he survived!
Wasn't he also the squeaky-voiced juror in 12 Angry Men?
He sure was!
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Cinema Con has revealeds who Pine is voicing, King Magnifico.
Funny how Hollywood Chris Chris Pine is in a film directed by Chris Buck.
Trailer for the movie drops tomorrow!
OMG really!? Sweet!
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Talk about good timing. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
It’s National Princess Week, after all. ;)
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The Chris infection is spreading. Soon all of entertainment will consist of people named Chris.
Edited by lbssb on Apr 26th 2023 at 1:53:25 PM
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Also, is it too early to make a page for the film?
As someone who has a great fear of betrayal, I don't mind twist villains at all; if anything it makes them seem even more intimidating that the monster was right there, as he so often is in real life...
Like, Coco being coincidentally released as MeToo was getting off the ground made its reveal even more effective than it already was to me.