How should gendered redirects be used?

Exceptions meant that if we decide that gendered redirects can be used in character pages then they would be exempt from the rule. But that's only if that option has enough consensus (which it does for now).

Ok. Also, what are your thoughts on what I stated here (besides the first line)?

As for dewicking, not sure how we going to do it but that can be discussed after the crowner concludes. If both winning options pass, that means we would have to dewick the redirects off non-character pages. I don't think the word cruft would be that much of an issue. Seems easy enough to remove.

Thanks. Will that include sandboxes for character pages?

EDIT: Trimming this.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Jun 29th 2022 at 8:09:04 AM

It's no different from regular wick cleaning, unless sandboxes have something besides troping they aren't private (AFAIK).

I'd remove Trivia and YMMV redirects with that vote. Maybe this needs further review with other tropes, but I don't think we need Talking To Herself and Les Yay personally.

I'm noticing the third option is at 12:7 which is just one vote below 2.0 line, I'd watch over it to see how it progresses.

Also noting that we'd have to adjust How to Write an Example when this is over.

So, now we'll have to modify Administrivia.How To Write An Example and Administrivia.Creating New Redirects (maybe) but I guess that will be handled in the Outdated Administrivia pages thread.

I suppose we will also have to make a long term project thread for the cleanup effort.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 21st 2022 at 7:39:17 AM

Do we need a second crowner to determine whether gendered redirects on character pages should take alphabetization into account?

If other people agree, sure we can do that.

(5x) Thanks for your confirmation.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Jul 18th 2022 at 8:06:00 AM

Oh, that's true well in that case gendered redirects can be used regardless of disruption concerns.

Wouldn't that be the opposite? If "swapping redirects when alphabetization isn't affected" is voted down, it makes more sense to interpret that as "don't swap, not even in this case", rather than "swapping when alphabetization is affected is okay".

I think I misread something but I was wrong about that.

In that case, we can't go by that crowner option and if more people want another crowner on alphabetization we can make one.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 21st 2022 at 8:58:21 AM

Clarification: does this affect the use of gendered redirects in the text-flow of an example, in places where we'd be tempted to Pothole?

No, only tropes being listed as examples.

So, if we are going to have a separate crowner for alphabetization, how should we phrase the crowner option?

How's this?

It has been voted to allow gendered redirects to be listed on Characters/ pages. Under what circumstances should they be allowed?

That looks ok to me. I'll set up the crowner when I wake up.

It looks good imo.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Sep 24th 2023 at 12:20:07 PM

Since it's come up before, should trope titles that are already listed on character pages as their main wiki word should be left alone as "first come, first served". I think that just we can use gender redirects in character pages doesn't mean that changing trope names to gender redirects should be treated as compulsory.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 23rd 2022 at 1:51:43 PM

New crowner is up.

This is really late but I finally updated How to Write an Example and made a gendered redirects cleanup thread here.

Trying to catch up... why is this restricted to Characters/ pages? Mostly because of this recent edit war where changing Promoted Fanboy to Promoted Fan is apparently going against the policy, but since it barely affects the alphabetization, I don't see the issue?

In fact it's probably more glaring in this case as it appears to misgender a real life nonbinary person, as opposed to just using a trope for a fictional character. Not to mention Promoted Fanboy isn't really about gender anyway.

Look at it this way: The trope/article title is the words used to refer to the article, right? It's not going to be literally true in all uses. The character page exception reasoning is that the page/folder/section is for the one character and nobody else, so a concession is made for those. That the gender of the promoted fan has no relevance to the trivia concept I think means it's a better argument for swapping the names than writing in another exception.