Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League

I mean, the fact they did a sequel/reboot movie of Suicide Squad only a couple of years after the previous movie should have been the sign to the developers that this was not going to work.

-Witty line-

They could theoretically use some of the League who were introduced here and say they are from a version of this universe where Brainiac never invaded.

But ehhh... we'll see if there's anyone who can pick up what this game established considering WB wants to distance themselves.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 29th 2024 at 11:31:28 PM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Why would you want an Arkhamverse game not about Batman? or at least the Batfamily and other bat adjacent characters.

Like other than establishing discontinuity for this game what would be the point? Here's an arkham game with no links to arkham. It might as well just be a new 'verse.

Well it's not like they're capable of any actual good ideas, despite, again, them trying to push this game as they had for fourteen goddamned years. Obviously, you want the Arkham game, to make it clear it's an Arkham game, but if they fuck even that much up... then... shit, I don't know what to tell you, hindsight's 20/20.

Robin: Don't ever ask me to dock with you again. Serious...

It's so bizarre how Gotham Knights wasn't an Arkham sequel while Squad wasn't a standalone game.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Doubly so because one of the most praised parts of Arkham Knight were the sections where the Batfamily(And Catwoman.) get to fight with each other and perform double takedowns on enemies.

WB would have made serious bank if Gotham Knights was just an Arkham style game with the Bat family.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

So this was trying to be a thing before even GOTG? WOW. MOTHER. F*CKING. WOW.

At least with DNF, people actually wanted to see it brought to fruition. Meanwhile, Suicide Squad: Kill Rocksteady had its hype go deep south the second it turned out to be live-service/GaaS BS.

Or at the very, very, bare minimum least, try to have them think, "hey that Peacemaker and Ratcatcher were pretty cool, let's put those guys in our game!" But then, why would execs waste time actually watching the stuff they're funding?

Right? It should have written itself!

Batman's gone, presumed deader than dead, but Gotham is still crawling with scum and villainy. Who should save it? Why, Batman's wards, of course! Oh, what's this? Babs is still reeling from her encounter with the Joker? Who should take over as Batgirl? Maybe this asian girl who's very quiet but also very kick-ass in martial arts? And what's this? Some snot-nosed brat says he's Batman's son from a night of passion with Talia Al Ghul and he escaped the League of Assassins? Highly suspect! But it looks like his heart is in the right place!

BOOM! This would have been perfect material to have Gotham Knights be a proper continuation to the Arkham games, not whatever GK ended up becoming!

(Honestly, you gotta wonder if they're nuking the games division on purpose just so they can write it off for f*cking taxes. I hate taxes...)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 30th 2024 at 11:50:44 AM

So... who was the intended audience for this game?

Dumbass DC fans of Harley and the squad who are willing to shell out cash for the game.-Warner Bros. Probably.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Ahh the people who want to kill every other hero besides Bats.

...also wtf I thought this game came out late 2023, didn't know it came out this year.

It came out very early this year, so I understand the confusion.

I guess the people who really love Marvel and hate DC must really LOVE this game since it hurt the League's brand and DC's wallets.

I've already seen this game being used in forum arguments for why the Justice League would lose to the Avengers.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 1st 2024 at 1:48:55 AM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Currently, it's just killing the idea of the Squad being profitable.

Wake me up at your own risk.

Also the fact Batman is known as Bruce Wayne doesn't even get brought up much irks me. Like that would explain why he's now buddies with the league to protect himself and his family for his rogues gallery.

Mileena Madness

Honestly, him being publicly known as Bruce Wayne would RUIN a LOT of mystique and horror towards criminals he's going for with the Batman persona. Since they know Batman is just a man in a suit, not a monster who stalks criminals. That's why Batman evolved his tactics to scare criminals better by becoming...whatever he became at the end of Arkham Knight.

On that note, did this game explain what exactly Batman did after Knight but before the League?

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 1st 2024 at 3:24:28 AM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Yes, the problem is definitely the way they are doing it, what they're trying to push the squad as, and trying to push them at the detriment of the beloved Justice League.

Funny enough, I had a conversation a couple days ago with someone who hates Bv S and Man of Steel. He thought that the one thing Snyder should have directed was ironically the one he didn't: Suicide Squad. And I quote. "Since he obviously thinks Superheroes are lame and wants to make movies about a bunch of jerk who don't want to help people, wants to have military guys running around, want to be "edgy and gritty", and had a Batman who kill like a bad version of the Punisher, why let him direct the Superman movie instead of the movie about a bunch of dark, morally dubious killers drafted into a secret strike ops and forced to save the day by a corrupt government official? That's what he'd been good at."
While I do think The Suicide Squad (the James one) eventually made the black comedy version of the Squad works, thinking about it, he does have a point. Snyder could have worked better in a dark suicide Squad than he did with Superman, and better than the first Squad movie.

To be fair the quote didn't say that a delayed game is guaranteed to be good. A incompetently helmed project will remain bad no matter how much time it gets. (And it was said before fixing a game after releasing it in a bad state was as easy as it is today).

I mean, you cou say the same of any standalone DC/Marvel that eventually branch out into a universe.
Why make a Superman animated serie set in the same world as Batman tas if it's mostly going to do it's own thing? Because people would want to see this verse's take on other characters (which is very much the case here, if the reception to these short time we spend with pre-brainwashed leaguers is to be believed).
And I did say that the game could have some ties to the Arkhamverse, just not Batman himself (bare maybe a cameo).
And finally retconing this trainwreck away from the Arkhamverse would be a valid reason on its own.

Or, in the words of Harley Quinn cartoon Joker: "Now I know Batman is just some rich asshole with parental issues."

-Witty line-

The direction they are taking with the Squad is like if someone was trying to make a bad rip-off of a Tarantino movie.

Like it has the superficial similarities like violence and gleeful crazy characters but it lacks the class of a Tarantino flick.

The game is like if someone based their entire identity from that scene from Resevoir Dogs where the bad guy dances in front of his hostage.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 30th 2024 at 12:49:50 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

They did sorta address the public identity thing in Knight. Turns out even with a face to the name, the guy who's been beating the tar outta you regularly for over a decade is still terrifying.

Edited by Avenger09 on Apr 30th 2024 at 10:41:59 AM

You know online I did see why this game probably never stood a chance

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Alternatively, they could have kept the premise the same (though probably not set it in the Arkham-verse) and actually play up the tragedy. Make it somewhat poignant by having these former enemies of the hero now be feel sympathy for what the hero has become.

I think a key issue is that the tone wants to have its cake and eat it to, it wants to be irreverent and have characters nearly piss on the heroes corpses, which could work if it went full black comedy, but then acknowledges the tragedy of what these heroes have become and the overall darkness of the setting. Committing to either may have improved the story.

Harley's characterization is a good indication of how wishy-washy the tone is.

On one hand she's softened enough to resemble her modern personality, but it forgets the more significant aspects of her desire to redeem herself and standards including a general respect for the a-league heroes along with portraying her defeat as Batman as basically her having revenge as a villain.

So she just wants up a confused hodge-podge of her villain and anti-hero selves with the game constantly flip-flopping on how cruel she's intended to be.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 30th 2024 at 3:40:09 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Or do it like the comics where Superman kisses everyone to make them forget Batman's secret identity.

Mileena Madness

I would've liked the tragic angle myself. Have Boomerang pissed he didn't get to defeat the "real" Flash, Shark lamenting the fate of the league, Harley hating what Brainiac has turned Batman into, and Deadshot being a resigned to doing a dirty job that'll likely get him killed.

Edited by Avenger09 on Apr 30th 2024 at 12:25:31 PM

But we can't have actual genuinely tragic pathos in the Suicide Squad game! How else are they supposed to cash in on the wacky goofy Guardians of the Galaxy comedy elements otherwise?

The fucked up thing is that I'm pretty certain that there are execs out there who genuinely think like this, probably missing the memo that having your cake and eating it too is the coward's way out for storytelling. The point isn't to halfass two things, but wholeass one thing.

Robin: Don't ever ask me to dock with you again. Serious...

Besides, it's not like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies are known for excellently mixing tragic pathos with wacky humor, nope. Just the wacky humor, no themes of dealing with loss, found family vs blood relations, animal cruelty, or any of that! None whatsoever!

Edited by lbssb on Apr 30th 2024 at 8:45:53 AM

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