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alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Feb 13th 2020 at 10:04:05 PM

I mean, an Author's Saving Throw is generally a good thing.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 13th 2020 at 10:11:13 PM

The issue is no one should look at the nuclear hellhole that is the Star Wars Fandom and say "Lets hear these guys out"

Evolution Requires Sacrifice
unknowing from somewhere..
Feb 13th 2020 at 10:20:09 PM

[up][up]And sometimes it dosent, hell one man author saving throw is another man pointless retcon.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 Moving to Australia Jan 14 from New Zealand
Moving to Australia Jan 14
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:40:01 AM

I want to see a dark side faction that's A Lighter Shade of Black to the Sith. As in they use the dark side for actual ideals and goals larger than themselves instead of just It's All About Me and Card-Carrying Villain

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M84 This is bad comedy. from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
This is bad comedy.
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:41:17 AM

That...really isn't how the Dark Side works.

The very nature of the Dark Side leads to an It's All About Me mindset.

Edited by M84 on Feb 14th 2020 at 7:41:46 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:47:45 AM

What's that good quote about how the Darkside will inevitably leave you with nothing else left but yourself?

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
miraculous Power was sweeter than apples from South Africa
Power was sweeter than apples
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:50:32 AM

It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith-Because now your self is all you will ever have.

“Monster was the best, his favorite word. The first half was a kiss, the second a hiss.”
slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:51:14 AM

Yaaaassssssss, where is that from?

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Blueace Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:51:49 AM

The Revenge of the Sith novelization.

Novis from To the Moon's song. Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:52:56 AM

Would it be possible to have villainous Force-users that don’t touch the Dark Side, then?

You say I am loved, when I don’t feel a thing. You say I am strong, when I think I am weak. You say I am held, when I am falling short.
Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:53:40 AM

I think this should be said

originally The Dark side was just an Evil Counterpart to the force, and was just supposed to be wrath and selfishness.

But with stuff like TCW and the Mortis Arc, the dark side now is another facet of the Force just like the light.

Evolution Requires Sacrifice
miraculous Power was sweeter than apples from South Africa
Power was sweeter than apples
Feb 14th 2020 at 3:56:46 AM

Ah but the thing people forget about mortis is the fact the son, the embodiment of the dark side ends up destroying his family who he genuinely cared for through his own selfishness and ambition.

“Monster was the best, his favorite word. The first half was a kiss, the second a hiss.”
FrozenWolf2 Just an Old Mon from Stuck in Kanto
Just an Old Mon
Feb 14th 2020 at 5:49:12 AM

The Dark side is a facet of the force the thing people keep either wanting or just neglecting is that it is inherently evil and think for some odd reason that its point of view should be respected!

The Son despite being its avatar isn't evil Until as mentioned he allows his Selfish nature to get the better of him and Falls to the Darkside

Really only Jacen has ever had the moment when the Darkside lies to him and he sees the Truth

When he is stuck fighting Jaina he can choose to kill Jaina or stop fighting and save his family 'aka the reason he fell in the first place... He sees the trap for what it is.

He'll kill Jaina and Lose his Family leaving him only with the Darkside and himself.

He even refuses to take Jaina with him in a mutual kill just to show his spite for it.

____

Give it a decade and the ST will be remembered for Stunning Visuals but Squandered unfulfilled potential and the idea that a Billion Dollar company could in an act of complete hubris try to jerry rig a Trilogy together

The ST is pretty much a series of rebuttals

TFA is a Rebuttal to the PT

TLJ is a rebuttal to TFA

ROS is a rebuttal to TLJ

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Feb 14th 2020 at 8:12:04 AM

"You ever breathe through more then one opening boy? Once I get better you be sure to let me know what its like."
Yumil Mad Archivist
Mad Archivist
Feb 14th 2020 at 6:36:20 AM

funny, i remember reading the novelization of the star wars books when i was a kid, and always thought the novelization of revenge was the only one with memorable things in it. And coming back to it recently and rereading the most memorable excerpts I can see why.

That quote just slaps so hard. The passage where anakin wakes up in Vader's armor is painfully on point and never stops going. The fact that the bit about the trap of the dark side isn't just purple prose but an extremely accurate summation of the dark side for the whole series is the cherry on top.

Edited by Yumil on Feb 14th 2020 at 3:44:14 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
unknowing from somewhere..
Feb 14th 2020 at 7:28:02 AM

The dark side is one of those thing that is baking on the setting so much people have just to live with it.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
miraculous Power was sweeter than apples from South Africa
Power was sweeter than apples
Feb 14th 2020 at 7:30:21 AM

What ?

“Monster was the best, his favorite word. The first half was a kiss, the second a hiss.”
alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Feb 14th 2020 at 7:31:30 AM

"Baked into the setting."

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Exposition Dragon
Feb 14th 2020 at 7:42:46 AM

Give it a decade and the ST will be remembered for Stunning Visuals but Squandered unfulfilled potential and the idea that a Billion Dollar company could in an act of complete hubris try to jerry rig a Trilogy together

Reboot Star Wars

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 14th 2020 at 8:45:25 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Feb 14th 2020 at 7:45:17 AM

[up]It’s going to happen eventually and we’re all going to hate it on principle.

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
FrozenWolf2 Just an Old Mon from Stuck in Kanto
Just an Old Mon
Feb 14th 2020 at 7:53:46 AM

We're gonna have the GL canon

the GL+LEU canon

The ST + NEU Canon even if its outright contradictory

and then Reboot Canon

"You ever breathe through more then one opening boy? Once I get better you be sure to let me know what its like."
alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Feb 14th 2020 at 8:26:08 AM

It’s going to happen eventually and we’re all going to hate it on principle.
I mean, it's not inevitable. The Star Wars universe can contain infinite stories within it, even if Disney wants to keep telling the story of Rebellion v Empire.

And hell, even if there is a reboot, that doesn't meant the end of the main universe — just look at Star Trek. Three reboot movies later and there's a new Picard show set in the main timeline.

[up] What does Green Lantern have to do with anything?

Edited by alliterator on Feb 14th 2020 at 8:29:15 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Feb 14th 2020 at 8:43:41 AM

I think a soft reboot is more likely then a true continuity reboot.

I wouldn't be surprised if they opt to move the timeline ahead by a significant amount of time (like 50 years, minimum) with the interim between the ST and any following films being only described in broad strokes.

That would give them a lot of flexibility to start over without explicitly disowning any of the older films.

Ideally I'd like to see the galaxy settle into a patchwork of many different states with even the most powerful controlling less then 15% of the galaxy (the Jedi would be nominally neutral arbiters, but tend to favor the more democratic states). It's an environment Star Wars hasn't explored that much, especially in the films. Plus without a central government, there's no temptation to render it toothless to create the conflict.

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Feb 14th 2020 at 8:44:13 AM

Yeah, nostalgia and not wanting more political drama like in the prequels were also responsible for us not really knowing much about the New Republic in the sequel trilogy.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
alliterator How dare you? from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
How dare you?
Feb 14th 2020 at 8:51:13 AM

[up] Once again, "not wanting a political drama" is not the reason for why that happened. It was done because Abrams didn't think it was needed and wanted to concentrate on action over story, which was to detriment of later films.

There's a difference between "not wanting a political drama" and "this story was done badly." One doesn't lead to the other. Hell, if that was the case, then I could say that Lucas making the PT into a political drama was what made it terrible, but that wasn't the case. (Lucas's dialogue and the stilted acting and questionable character choices was what made it terrible.)

Edited by alliterator on Feb 14th 2020 at 8:51:34 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Feb 14th 2020 at 8:58:48 AM

[up] Yeah, the problem with the prequels was never that they dealt with the setting's politics, but the flawed execution.

Compare to Clone Wars, which goes heavily into politics and is very popular.

Ceterum autem censeo Iam Primum Postem esse delendam.

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