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Either there is something really deficient about your comprehension, or you're so devoted to this idea of making new appearance tropes that you aren't bothering to listen to us.
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I just don't want to see Why We Can't Have Nice Things happening again in regards to troping, that's all
I'm just iffy on the idea that we can't trope some things because it's "proven" that we cannot.
Edited by 4tell0life4 on Jul 30th 2019 at 3:04:14 AM
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Another problem I'm worried about is that we might try to create Meaningful Appearance subtropes that combine traits such as appearance and personality and call it a trope, even though they are not things authors use in their stories and are simply coincidental patterns that we made up into a trope. Heroic Albino has this problem, as noticed in its TRS thread; Evil Albino is, however, a thing that authors intentionally use. Compare Red Eyes, Take Warning and Kind Red Eyes as well as Five-Man Band and Five Bad Band.
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That isn't the problem of just appearance tropes. Those like "Badass Nationality" tropes, for one.
Yeah, back then we only trope "patterns" without much regard to meanings and authorial intent.
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Look, here's an example of this happening with a trope not even out of TLP. Boyish Ponytail
. The examples thus far are just "man has ponytail" and the "meaning" in the description is so broad as to be effectively meaningless. You know this part- you posted on the draft.
This is what happens with appearance tropes. If it's the tropers, then why do even good tropers, who make quality content in the TLP, have trouble giving any example to this draft that isn't chairs? It's because the trope itself leaves nothing to be desired and only would add to the problems.
Anytime I've seen a decent appearance trope escape TLP, it was because the trope was never "character has appearance trait", it was always about animation shorthands, or how the work describes the character, or something along those lines. Those aren't appearance tropes; they're normal tropes that involve the way a character looks.
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That draft's "trope meaning" is still faulty.
That is one problematic appearance trope draft, I agree with you. That doesn't mean "all appearance tropes are problematic".
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Then can you find any that aren't?
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Well, that demonstrates the problem perfectly well, WarJay.
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Those in Meaningful Appearance for starters.
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-Sigh- And I already proved those to also be bad with using Good Colors, Evil Colors as an example.
ZCE is not a problem for appearance tropes. It's a problem for all tropes.
Is fixing the examples too hard for you guys?
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Shut up. Do you know how much cleanup work I do? Do you know how hard it is, how long it is, how many pages need cleaning? Do you do cleanup work?
If not, then kindly stop because you don't know what you're talking about, you're making unreasonable demands of other tropers, and you don't even help out with the cleanup effort you insist we just need to work harder on. If you would spend a few minutes looking at that TRS thread I made for Good Colors, Evil Colors, or check out the appearance trope cleanup thread, or even just go clean up a page on your own, then maybe you would understand.
And if you do do cleanup work, then you should know how unreasonable and unfair you're being. You have not proven that the tropes aren't the problem but you still think you can claim everyone else on this thread is wrong and that we just need to clean the pages already.
If you won't debate properly or do any of the work yourself, we have nothing to talk about.
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Alright. Let me just say one last thing though:
ZCE has nothing to do with tropeworthiness.
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Bull, and further, shit. While any trope can have ZCEs written for it, an overwhelming prevalence of them is indicative of a problem with the trope, not just the people writing examples.
I'm locking this thread for having answered the question and thus no longer serving a purpose. I strongly advise you to drop it.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 3rd 2019 at 12:14:00 PM
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My point still stands: Meaningful Appearance is the standard.
I probably can understand if we want the fixes to be done first before we can start making any new ones (still kinda sucks though), but as long as it's done right (like any other trope), tropes based on appearance aren't a bad thing, yeah?
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