Captain Marvel - Spoilers

“It would be fun to see him do the same to the Supreme Intelligence and take over the Kree Empire”

This is what Annihilation Conquest was about

Ultron’s Phalanx took over the Space Knights and used their alliance with the Kree to take over the Kree

The proto-Guardians of the Galaxy were formed in that story

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 15th 2019 at 8:51:30 AM

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I wonder if we will have more humans getting their powers from the infinity stones (we already have MCU Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel from the mind and space stone respectively), assuming the stones are not destroyed during Endgame of course.

It would've been cool if Jane Foster had gotten superpowers from when she was hosting the Reality Stone like it was a Symbiote.

I guess this particular option is gone…

You know what would have been great? If The Dark World had started with Thor bringing Jane to Asguard and her having to face all kind of "she is just human" nonsense, and then the whole thing with the reality stone happens, which gives her the power to be on even footing with the Asgardians, but she breaks up with Thor anyway because "I am human, and I can't live with people who look down on my planet and friends that way".

So, I had some more time to think about Captain Marvel, and the more I think about it, the more I like it.

For one: Can we stop for a moment to appreciate how difficult it is to create a prequel without just smashing through established continuity? In this case I actually think that most of the new information provide a solid background to what comes later.

And two: They actually sidestep a lot of overdone tropes. And I am not just talking about the fact that the shape-shifting race isn't inherently evil. I mean, did you notice that Carol never actually remembers her past? She is told about it, and she is able to reconnect based on what she is told and the few glimpses she still remembers, but at no point does her memory come back. (btw, most likely the Kree were the ones who did that to her...at least, it is already established that they have memory wiping technology in season 2 of Ao S). In fact, the movie plays with a LOT of those tropes. Be truthful, who else thought that Carol got her power from the Kree? Nope, she got it from the tesseract, at least mostly.

Btw, in what genre would you put the movie? Is "mystery mixed with paranoia" a genre?

Carol not getting her memory back fully is kinda a nod to her post Rogue encounter status.

She lost all her memories due to Rogue holding her long enough to take both her powers and personality, and while Xavier was able to restore those memories, he couldn't restore the emotions that came with them, so for years Carol felt disconnected from her own past.

Not unlike how they handled Mar-Vell and her origin, they covered the important beats while telling it in their own way.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Mar 15th 2019 at 11:20:25 AM

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Well, Marvel is good in doing this. I mean, I did notice how they took a lot of Carol Danvers lore while extracting the questionable part beforehand, but I didn't know that this was part of it, too. Still, it is kind of great (and kind of tragic) that Carol won't be able to reclaim those memories.

That is unless this is addressed in the second movie. I mean, Kree are able to restore memories, too.

Do we know for sure it was the Kree erasing her memories or simply the accident? I mean, yeah, a lot of evidence point in that direction, but if they did, they were rather sloppy, as Carol was beginning to recover them even before the Skrulls awakened a lot more of them with their machine.

It also occurs to me this could be a good job for the mind stone or possibly the soul stone.

Edited by C105 on Mar 15th 2019 at 6:41:58 PM

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Not the Soul Stone. That one was sealed away on Vormire with only Gamora knowing where it is...though we don't know how she learned that, so maybe her and Carol met at some point.

...and we don't know how Thanos got the Mind Stone either. Maybe it fell into the hands of the Kree and that's how they messed with her head, but since she was empowered by the Space Stone / Tesseract and we know the stones can't defend against each other that's why the job was poor. Afterwards, when Ronan left, he filched it as an offer to Thanos and that began their business relationship.

Though that's also unlikely since finding out he was stealing a stone for him is what finally made Ronan cut ties with Thanos in the first place.

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She said she found a map and then burned the map. After memorizing the map.

(Good job, Gamora.)

Sort of reminded me of the miniseries preceding Infinity Gauntlet that had Thanos spend a large chunk of time hitting the books to even learn that the 'Soul Gems' were a complete set

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It's not made completely clear, but for one, they had the motivation to do so, and two, we know from Agents of Shield that the Kree has the technology to do so. It is not perfect, glimpses remain, but in Ao S the Kree himself had to restore the memories.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 15th 2019 at 10:54:15 AM

Ah, Vin-Tak, that's right! I was wondering where we learned the Kree could erase memories and it's the episode where Sif has amnesia.

I wouldn't mind seeing Vin-Tak in the Marvel sequel, but I guess that is too much to hope for...but if they address Carol's memory, I hope they feature the staff he used.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 15th 2019 at 11:58:43 AM

Okay, saw the movie. Pretty good - I don't have any major complaints. Really, the only thing that kind of bothers me is that Goose taking out Fury's eye, while funny, retroactively makes him seem rather melodramatic about it in Winter Soldier (I think it was that, at least?). Even then, it's fine in isolation - just a bit weird when looking at the big picture.

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Fury is a total drama queen. I mean, remember his first appearance?

I thought the movie was fine. It's definitely not my favorite MCU movie but it's way better than say, Iron Man III. I'm rather annoyed by all the hate it's getting.

I do really hate the cat scratching Fury's eye, though. I mean, I will give them credit for sheer Refuge in Audacity with it, but the thing is it's not really all that funny and I preferred the idea of him having lost it in some dramatic fashion.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

There were plenty of opportunities throughout the film for Fury to lose his eye in dramatic fashion, we didn't even know whether Fury would lose his eye in Captain Marvel or not. The fact they made a conscious choice to make him lose it to Goose is hilarious and makes me respect the writers so much.

On one hand, it is pretty funny.

On the other hand, I do kind of wish that they would just have kept an implied serious moment serious.

So I guess those cancel each other out, and I'm roughly just okay with it.

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I will give the writers credit that it was a bold and interesting move.

I didn't find the joke particularly funny, but to be fair that might be because I wasn't fond of the idea of turning it into a joke anyways.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

It makes for an interesting transition between the Nick Fury that apparently nobody much likes and is a moderate level 3 to the ultimate spymaster

He spun a missing eye into mystique and climbed his way to director of SHIELD

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Plus, as pointed out before he technically didn't lie.

He trusted Goose way too much and got his eye clawed out over it. Now I should make it clear I'm one of the it's a stupid idea people, but even I recognize that there's a sort of cleverness to it.

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Also at some point after the movie’s stinger, Fury is going to apparently pull the missing tesseract out of thin air

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So far I too really have trouble deciding whether Fury losing his eye to Goose is a funny anticlimax or a wasted opportunity. I think the joke would have been funnier if Fury had had more than one close call with his eye during the film.

On another note, I wonder how the reveal that the Skrulls are the good guys was predictable for someone unfamiliar with the comics. I mean, I was rather (pleasantly) surprised that they were not the bad guys from the comics I had come expecting to see (just as I was when I discovered the true identity of the Mandarin in Iron Man III), but in retrospect maybe it was quite obvious from the start.

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I found it hilarious, but I can see why people wouldn't like it. I think that yeah, the gag could have benefited from Fury having another close call with his eye.

Trust you? The only person I can trust is myself.

After seeing the Dark Phoenix trailer, now all I can think of is Captain Marvel vs Dark Phoenix.

That brings to mind something I was meaning to ask: has Carol in her Binary form ever taken on Jean in her Phoenix form in comics?

Seems like a great mirror match that should of been booked a long time ago.