MasakoX

Masako X ^note from that group with that abridged series you've heard of, and the voice of a certain Super Duper Saiyan ^{another note}  and to my great disdain also the creator of the still incomplete Yu Yu Hakusho Abridged has been doing a popular series of "what-if scenarios" for Dragon Ball many of which have become quite... well, elaborate.

One of them even became a fancomic with voice-acting called Dragonball R&R focused on the Z-Children (tm).

If the what-if's aren't to your taste he also does discussions/reviews of episodes of Dragonball Super and, for a brief while, the Dragonball Super Heroes spin-off (mind, he's prone to gushing/summarizing rather than being overly critical).

• "But Masako~'! You can't [insert angry rant here] ! UN-SUB-SCRIIIBE!"
• "There is no Fake Namek arc. Moving on."

Edited by Soble on Jan 1st 2019 at 12:20:56 PM

I thought Lanipator made Yu Yu Hakasho Abridged, and Masako made A Naruto Abridged with vegeta3986.

Preposterous, I double-checked and I'm certian th...

-checks-

Huh.

-edits post-

I mostly remember that because of "Vegeta and Masako, you guys should just let go, it's over, nobody watches Naruto," so. Don't feel bad.

I have intrusive thoughts and songs and things get stuck in my head, no reasonable normal human person could be expected to remember that.

It's so surreal listening to Little Kuriboh of 10 years ago dragging all the members of Team Four Star.

Would a Broly/Cheelai spin-off work?

I watched a couple of the "What-if" videos. While I liked some of their ideas (pointing out that "Raditz shows up. Everyone dies" is the end to most scenarios is kinda funny), they usually amount to spoken word fanfiction which... isn't my cup of tea.

I honestly think I'd enjoy them more if presented in a bullet point format.

I posted the Broly / Cheelai spin off video in the main DB thread myself.

I think it could, though probably not under Toriyama, as right now I'm not convinced that he knows how to (or cares to write) someone if they aren't in some way bouncing off Goku.

It would need to go to someone else who's willing to write those characters.

You say that, but Toriyama is responsible for making those characters as they are, and Cheelai talks to Goku only once at the tail end of the movie. All of her, red guy and Broly's interactions had no Goku aside from that last scene where he's effectively the antagonist in their eyes.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Feb 23rd 2019 at 8:30:22 AM

That's fair enough, but that's only one scene.

I'm saying every scene between the three, save the last one, are the three characters bouncing off each other with no Goku. Toriyama doesn't need Goku.

A pointless argument either way. Toriyama doesn't fully write the story as is. He'd never helm a spin-off.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Feb 23rd 2019 at 11:41:17 AM

This is true. He's written arcs where Goku is barely involved at all until a certain point.

That being said, I think that while Toriyama may not need Goku, he does love having Goku there and writing him. He can write interactions without Goku, but that's only to build up to Goku then showing up.

But you're right that Cheelai, Broly and old dude (who's name I forgot) are very capable of carrying a story themselves through their interactions. I guess it's just a matter of someone actually trying it out now.

I'd wager it's a job for that "Dragonball Room" if that's even still a thing. I mean like Masako mentions there's that Yamcha Isekai spin-off that was written/drawn by somebody else and found popularity. Episode of Bardock, too, IIRC.

A Broly/Cheelai/Lemo spin-off written by Toyotaro maybe?

Honestly after finally seeing Broly I want this so bad. Seeing kid Broly makes me feel like he was just Hero of Another Story. Living with his dad on some alien world for decades he had to have gotten into some crazy stuff. Maybe not.

But now he's there with two others, plenty of food, and a working ship and a universe to explore.

Edited by Soble on Feb 23rd 2019 at 6:50:38 AM

A subtle change:

• Goku bites Jackie Chun's foot during the final jump-kick
• "I AM THE CHAMP!"

Thought went in to that.

So I've been catching up on the What-Ifs

And I really don't mean to be rude but...

How.

How is Masako just... so dumb??

Going to have to be more specific.

He constantly forgets or ignores canon details, makes stuff up just because, often defers to Fanon (King Cold being able to transform at all, Freeza and Cold having fifth forms, Cold having a GOLDEN form when he's explicitly stated to be weaker than Freeza), making excuses for his own laziness with "Toriyama was lazy, too" and so on.

The thing that made me say "No, enough" was "What if Vegeta never turned good," when he said it was never specifically stated how damaged you have to be to receive a Zenkai boost. But it has. Several times. A Saiyan has to survive being brought TO THE BRINK OF DEATH. Those are the exact words.

In some cases that's where it has to go, I think. Like a "What if Hercule trained with Roshi" story doesn't work if you don't make stuff up because Hercule didn't exist as a character until the Cell Saga. You could set it after the Cell Saga, but you can craft a larger and more entertaining story by starting it prior to that.

I assume you're saying there's blatant inconsistencies, but since we're speaking broadly I don't really know of too many instances where he blatantly makes something up that contradicts canon - at least without it being the point of the what-if, or it being a simple mistake (like in the What if Kid Goku became Super Saiyan where in the second video he corrects a mistake he made in the first one).

Listening to what he comes up with can be hit-or-miss but given that the premise is "what if" I accept that a good portion of the content is going to be made up "just because."

Because people like those concepts and because it's a narrated fanfic where you can explore those concepts in more detail. Admittedly he does tend to fill things in with fanon. I think it makes the various scenarios more exciting personally.

I'm assuming this wasn't a "Cold canonically had a golden form all along" and there was some explanation in the what-if. Again, hit and miss, but I'd have to hear Masako's actual explanation to judge.

I think the fact that he's willing to admit he's being lazy and not asserting that his ideas are superior/factual is what matters. It's designed to be entertaining even if some of the ideas are trite.

You're right and that's a good catch. Interesting because Masako made an earlier video discussing Zenkais where he apparently recognizes this fact. I guess he just forgot about it in the 'What if Vegeta turned good' video.

Edited by Soble on Jul 21st 2019 at 6:50:13 AM

There's other times where he makes stuff up whole-cloth where it's really egregious that he knows that this is the only way the story can function in a way where it hits the same beats as canon. The most obvious example is "People who aren't dead can still go to Kaiou's planet to learn Kaiouken", which he uses for both the Gine What-If and the "Goku marries Bulma" what-if. There's nothing to support that this is even a possibility and, even if it was, it would be a massive setback rather than "basically the same" as he usually describes it as, since being alive means they'd need to eat and sleep and they'd get tired easier, meaning that running Snake Way takes a lot longer.

The What If videos are fanfics, but specifically fanfics where Masako doesn't have to put in any effort.

Also, minor thing, I know, but it's really distracting that he never says "kill" or "Die". What is he, the Ocean Group dub?

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There are times when he repeats ideas in ways I find exhausting, but that one in particular doesn't sound as whole-cloth as you make it appear.

I couldn't find anything from the anime at least that specifically bars living beings from training with King Kai either. Kami at least can take you there while he's still alive. Goku was also able to teleport there willy-nilly while still alive.

The only setbacks are hunger/sleep/time? In the Gine what-if Goku goes. Hunger can be avoided by packing food. IIRC in the anime at least Goku did sleep during parts of the journey. No time is lost if it's Goku and, again, in the anime the humans traveled to King Kai's and apparently made it there faster than Goku did originally.

Edited by Soble on Jul 23rd 2019 at 5:18:16 AM

I mean, my answer to all your complaints are exactly why I dropped the series: they're just spoken word fanfiction. You may not like spoken word fanfiction (I do not), but other than factual inaccuracies (like your zenkai thing... except I'd say "the brink of death" is in of itself vague to the point of uselessness) pointing out that a fanfic makes things up is futile.

In the anime, Goku eats and sleeps. Goku sleeps on the back of a truck and falls off into Hell. He then eats from the tree in Hell, which gives him more energy. So there's that. These are definitely filler, of course.

Edited by Larkmarn on Jul 24th 2019 at 2:38:12 PM

They're 1000 percent filler. And while the humans and Piccolo made it to King Kai's planet in about a month, they were also all stronger than Goku had been when he died. Piccolo was literally ten times as strong.

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