Fire Force (Ennen No Shobotai)

So is this becoming Soul Eater stealth prequel?

In a twist, Shinra does curbstomp Raffles...which plays right into the villains' hands, since Shinra just killed the guy most of the populace has been raised to believe is their messiah.

Disgusted, but not surprised

Somehow I don't think the final battle will not involve the main character at all ;P

Yeah these last few chapters are wild

Yeah, I'm catching up on the anime right now, and with the fact there's The Cameo from Spirit in 2x18, along with the Moon, I'm thinking this isn't a Stealth Prequel. It's a Stealth Sequel.

Here me out. They specifically refer to Spirit as "Mr. Scythe", which he'd only be called if he was still a Death Scythe, so that means Demon Weapons have to be a thing. When Soul Eater ended, the Moon was covered in Black Blood as Crona's way of trying to seal away Asura, being a permanent New Moon. The Adolla can pretty much be described as a different dimension in and of itself. So where am I going with this? Multiverse Theory. Think about it, there's no way to reconcile the two settings otherwise.

• Soul Eater is set in Death City, Nevada, but regularly went globe trotting, going to Japan, Africa, and even the northern Pacific past Alaska. And it was shown that animals were still around, but there were also the witches and the evil humans.
• Fire Force meanwhile is set in The Empire, there's no trace of anything surviving the Great Cataclysm, and all that's left is heavily Japanese in basis even if they don't identify as Japanese anymore. There's also the fact that animals are all but extinct, and the obvious presence of Infernals/Doppelgangers.
• There's also the fact that the Great Cataclysm happened well over 200 years ago, and yet we still have a cameo from Spirit, who isn't immortal.

So where am I going with this? Well we've already seen in Soul Eater that there is some degree of dimensional magic, namely via the Book of Eibon, in which there are seven other dimensional planes that people can get stuck in and where Kid was trapped in after being attacked by Noah. We also know that there quite a few things still left unanswered in regards to the Great Old Ones in Soul Eater like Eibon or the Power. Maybe Fire Force is being used to bridge the gap by continuing where Soul Eater left off, via parallel dimensions. Though if it is the case the world might be fucked even more so since the Moon looks like a Crescent again, which would mean Crona's seal is undone and Asura would be free once more.

Is it a stretch? Oh most certainly. Is it interesting to think about though? Yep yep yep.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 3rd 2020 at 5:15:30 AM

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Man that is a fucked up theory.

But its a fun theory, fun indeed.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Nah see everything we point to suggests Before the Cataclysm it was the real world. But when the gap between mankinds imagination and reality thinned with it things people imagined likely came into being as well, and its gotten worse as now its the moon too thats been changed. Spirit existing as a person several hundred years later. In Japan. Is probably just a reference and/or some alternate versions of his cast exist in the setting like some authors do with their characters.

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Yeah, but by that logic the Moon itself could just be a reference. And it wouldn't explain the fact that suddenly animals are commonplace again in Soul Eater when Vulcan's introduction establishes they're all but extinct, and that most people have never even seen some animals. Hell, Soul Eater has a chapter on whaling, and if the Whales were just coming back after Animals were all but gone, I doubt they'd be hunting them down again. It also wouldn't explain the sudden appearance of the Great Old Ones like Lord Death, Eibon, Asura, or Excalibur. When did they suddenly pop into existence if this is a prequel? And where would the witches have come from? I doubt they were just in hiding for that long when Soul Eater demonstrated a lot of witches liked to fuck with humans for their own experiments, Medusa being the most extreme case.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 3rd 2020 at 5:17:21 AM

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Considering all the weird shit that's been going on, I wouldn't rule out the Cataclysm turning the world into Sool Eater's.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

I think it makes more sense to consider this alternate universes of the same event. the cataclysm merges imagination with the real world, but alternate versions and alternate selves is a common idea. So i would imagine that Soul Eater is one version of this apocalypse 200 years ago, and Fire Force another.

it's also notable that the goal of the Whiteclad is related to human insanity re:death, whereas Soul Eater was about a different madness alltogether, and eventually made the point that courage is an insanity in and of itself. So if we go with these personifications, then Soul Eater is about insanity being a universal force with the personification of death against it, but Fire Force is about the insanity of death being universal with the personification of... the devil? I mean, Sho being an angel and Shinra a saviour also plays heavily into the same personification theme.

The Evangelist has inspired all sun/holy based deities through history, so it stands to reason that the Devil and God are one and the same in this case.

After all, the only actual distinction of angels and demons originally was that one was fallen and the other had not. The idea of differences between them came later.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Ogun is based

Why Charon chose his path does make me pause a little bit

for not mercy killing Haumae only, maybe because her role will always come back, so it won’t stick unless all of humanity dies?

Good question. I think he just doesn't wanna kill her himself.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

That does make him more cowardly, but its understandable cowardice

Part of it may be a desire to bring down the humans who caused her so much pain.

Disgusted, but not surprised

Okay, something that still confuses me about the whole Doppelganger thing.

So the Doppelgangers are supposed to be specifically how a person is perceived by the public consciousness made manifest in another reality, right? For some of the characters, I can see this fitting very well.

• Shinra was often called a "Devil" after the perceived deaths of Sho and Mari aided by his nervous tic giving him a Slasher Smile, so his Doppelganger is a lot more violent and volatile.
• Konro was from Asakusa and part of Company 7 back when it was still more akin to a gang as one of it's strongest members, so his Doppelganger being a brute could fall in line with what people thought of him.
• Setsuo Miyamoto was a deranged Serial Killer and already considered a monster, so his Doppelganger is practically unchanged.
• Mari was a kind and caring mother to Shinra and Sho, so her Doppelganger was rather benign outside of her awakening burning down their house, and she still cradled Sho even as she was forced to bring him to the White Clad.
• Amaterasu was characterized to followers as extremely kind and pure, so Iris is exactly like that, being innocent and very sweet.

But for a lot of other characters, all I can do is scratch my head wondering "huh"? Spontaneous Human Combustion caused many people to be turned into Infernals, but for many of them there is little evidence they were perceived negatively beforehand.

• Tempe was for all intents and purposes just a grieving father and husband before being made into an Infernal, yet he happens to look like a Reaper as an Infernal.
• Saeko was said to just be a loving wife to the Metal Fittings manager, yet when Company 8 faces her she's completely berserk, attacking Company 8 relentlessly even if trying not to damage the Metal Fittings Corp.
• The sisters of St. Raffles Convent were all children training to become Nuns, yet after being turned into Infernals by Sumire, they all look demonic and obey Sumire's will.

Then there's the fact that its said the White Clads plan using the Fire Bugs is to try and have Doppelgangers overlap their original counterparts, but if that's the case, why do some Doppelganger's like Konro's and Iris manifest on their own? And why are so many Infernals demonic looking when it's made clear Doppelganger's could look human even before the potential second Great Cataclysm? Iris after all looks human, yet Mari and Konro, whose Doppelgangers are otherwise reflective of what people would think of them, still are Demon Infernals. And what does that mean for the Pillars? When Nataku had a Fire Bug used on him by Rekka it just awoke his Third Generation abilities which later made him into the Sixth Pillar, yet Shinra proves the Pillars do have Doppelgangers, so why don't the Pillars risk facing their Doppelganger's when awoken?

Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 19th 2020 at 9:10:50 AM

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I think it's because spontaneous combustion is a widespread fear, and being turned into an infernal is a collective thing. So people's fear of being turned into an infernal, makes them turn into an infernal.

Recent chapters are cool and all

But can we appreciate what a Chad Ogun is

The solution to beating Charon was also great in how simple it was.

Just Shoot Him basically.

Edited by M84 on Nov 23rd 2020 at 11:58:39 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

lieutenant still being the best

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

Sure was nice of Dragon to not get involved until after Charon's fight was over.

"Canada Day is over, and now begins the endless dark of the Canada Night."

Yeah I really liked how Charon was finally landed a hit that hurt him

Charon as Wobuffet is fitting.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

That's how the White-Clad particularly the Butchers operate. They are not a team and are generally solo agents.

When Gold was defeated Tempest the one after said they don't know how to fight as a team and just were just going to take turns.