Super Smash Bros Ultimate (SPOILER Thread)

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While I myself can't see why it wouldn't be 3rd party it's not like Sakurai cares about patterns before. Although I remember it was Nintendo who decided who should the DLC this time around. At least for the 1st DLC pack.

It's not flawless logic, but that still sounds pretty logical to me.

Edited by agent-trunks on Jan 7th 2020 at 7:52:27 AM

Watch a full Direct come out next week and there's no Smash news.

That won't go over very well.

I'm starting to think that there's a chance that 5 will be revealed and released same day.

Except, as far as I can recall, the only time characters have been revealed and released at the same time was the Roy/Ryu duo during E3 2015 (I believe).

Prior precedence hardly seems to matter when it comes to Sakurai. We've been proven wrong time and again in that respect.

Yea, Sakurai clearly doesn't give a damn about patterns.

Or ruleset that the people made up.

Edited by agent-trunks on Jan 8th 2020 at 1:59:01 AM

I'm not sure why you're saying this thing.

What expectation is expected to be broken from DLC fighter 5-6?

The only real pattern is that the final DLC tend to be pretty "underwhelming". As in the sense that it's not really supposed to be a super big reveal.

I could be wrong tho

I wouldn't even say Final DLC, just final base newcomer reveals tend to be. It's still YMMV, of course. Bayonetta got a lot of attention because of her M-Rated status(and she's the last one, not Corrin). She made a way bigger splash than Corrin... ironically.

I always against Bayo's inclusion because I rather have Travis instead but after everything was said & done I was really glad she made the cut. The fact that unbelievably fanservice character miraculously made it in was beyond nuts, but I always interpret that as there was pretty much no restriction to a character's inclusion. And then Mai's cameo exclusion happen.

Incredibly unpopular opinion, I still don't think Bayo should low/bottom tier, but I don't exactly know what they could do to make her presentable without being a Tier Induced Scrappy.

Edited by agent-trunks on Jan 10th 2020 at 5:52:42 AM

I don't think Sakurai or Nintendo actually thought Mai was too fanservicey, but ridiculous age rating systems forced them not to include her.

Good luck getting people to believe that.

While...toned down Bayonetta is in the game.

And any amount of skin is too much apparently.

Our chilren are being denied big honking anime tiddies.

Gamers rise up.

CERO cared about her underwear showing, not some cleavage. That's the core issue. Changing Mai's design is a very huge disservice to the character, but it's even worse if it's a cameo. That's just not worth getting them to agree to a design change. If she was going to be playable, that's a different story since they need to already do a lot of extra work and animations either way. She wasn't a simple Spirit, either, which she didn't need changes for if she has the right pose. Issue is animations and what can be seen with that.

I'm surprised CERO doesn't really care about cleavage either, but eh. Stuff like upskirts etc. have been a bigger deal for whatever reason. That's how Palutena was censored, more stuff covering her down below. It's why Peach and Zelda wears shorts instead of panties now.

Because Japan has a problem with people taking up-skirt pictures in real life.

No one knows if Peach wears shorts or not because there's just a black void...

I don't read anyone talking about 5 character being Geralt of Rivia Just mentioning if is the case(I will win nothing by correct guess the fighter).

Edited by LoutishHelminthic on Jan 10th 2020 at 6:37:08 PM

Definitely possible, considering he crossed over with Daemon X Machina, but the lack of conversation is probably because there's not as big an overlap between Witcher fans and Smash Bros fans (or at least, people who are fans of both have othet franchises they want first).

I wouldn't mind Geralt, just that I have many other characters I'd rather see be in Smash than him.

He's not a video game character.

He's one of those gray areas like Dracula. He's his own thing, since the Witcher is a separate game series.

But only barely gray area too. I'd say he doesn't count.

I somehow don't think there's a grey area.

If a game has their own version of that character and they're specifically not the same character, then it's fine.

They're just a character with the same name and...aesthetic.

Isnt Dr. Kawashima a real person?

I don't know the exact situation, but it sounds like the same thing as Batman and Spider-Man. The games are popular in their own right and a separate universe but are still ultimately the same thing.

Dracula is public domain and is not comparable.

Edited by LordVatek on Jan 10th 2020 at 5:08:00 AM

Dracula being public domain has zero relevance.

He's a completely different character in Castlevania and just based upon the original novel character. That's why he got in. The grey area is the fact he's based upon a novel character, and while a different character, Castlevania goes out of the way to tie the book canonically to the series. There is some gray in it. Reality is licensing wasn't an issue. The actual reason for non-game 3rd parties to begin with. This is why it's easy to have Spirits of characters like Abraham Lincoln. No licensing problems. Him being based upon a real person is pretty irrelevant. He's just a game-specific version. And one Nintendo made.

The Witcher games are their own thing, being a game universe, which is definitely a gray area. But it's not gray enough, because the issue isn't the game part, but you still need to license from the novel creators too since it's still their character. That's why games based upon other media don't work. More licensing to do. Doesn't matter if it's a unique game universe or not. If they're tied licensing-wise, it doesn't matter at all. It's still possible he wants to keep non-game characters out on principle, of course. And that's fine too. It's a video game crossover, not an all-media crossover. It could change, but licensing being easy is the only thing that'll make it happen.

Also, Dracula isn't the main character, or playable. Simon and Richter did originate in video games, and Dracula just hitched a ride with them as a boss.