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4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Sep 21st 2019 at 11:55:41 PM

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True, but I don't think she knows she's also Sirin, which I imagine would add an extra twist in the knife to her Trauma Conga Line

In one comic (Anti-Entropy Invasion, was it?), there's a flashback in which young Kiana doesn't seem to know her own identity until some years later when Siegfried decided to call her "Kiana". So there's definitely a case of amnesia here.

it's quite another to learn that she's the Herrscher herself.

11-EX actually alludes to this: HOV, inside Kiana's mind, says "I am you, Kiana!"

All this makes me even more convinced that she's a sendoff to Noel Vermillion.

And I got the feeling that the original Kiana may end up becoming the new 14th Herrscher.

Edited by 4tell0life4 on Sep 21st 2019 at 11:56:46 AM

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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Sep 21st 2019 at 11:58:44 PM

From my research and my friend's notes, this feels kind of tricky because well... You could argue that both Sirin and the Herrscher are separate entities altogether while also sharing their memories. You could also theorize however, that Kiana herself is actually the real Sirin

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
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Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:19:59 AM

[up] Just as Mei has 2 separate consciousness, the normal her and her Herrscher self.

That's just common to all Herrschers except for the 1st one

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Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:24:38 AM

Let's just say Herrscher are pretty much interesting being to study. Like, I'll admit that I have my own words regarding Void herself and her being interesting to study but I'll save that for later.

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Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:17:25 AM

Funnily enough, this means that nearly every human that became a Herrscher in the modern age so far have been convinced in some way to stop killing the human race.

Welt went full hero thanks to the other founders of Anti-Entropy, Sirin's human side decided she just wants to be normal thanks to Cecilia, and Mei reverted back to normal thanks to Kiana's relentless feelings towards her with her Herrscher side now mostly in it for the ride due to her developing interest in Kiana. Wendy's the only exception since Cocolia happened before she had her chance.

The Previous age may be better at killing Herrschers, but the modern age is proving to be better at converting them tongue

Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:23:24 AM

[up]And lets not forget Bronya was good from the get go.

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4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Sep 22nd 2019 at 2:03:47 PM

[up] that's the thing about 1st Herrscher though - they aren't influenced by the Honkai's will unlike the others for some reason.

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4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Sep 23rd 2019 at 8:34:01 PM

Have you guys seen the comics by Bkub and this guy? It's sad that nobody translated them (yet)...

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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Sep 24th 2019 at 5:32:09 AM

[up] Not yet but it sounds interesting

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Sep 25th 2019 at 2:57:40 AM

~Elfen Lied Fan 90: I wonder where you get the info for Complete Monster in Hi 3's YMMV page.

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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Sep 25th 2019 at 3:11:59 AM

[up] Friend of mine actually. He's a huge fan of HI 3

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Sep 25th 2019 at 5:01:43 AM

I mean, I'm wondering where he got all the info from. Admittedly I haven't seen all of the manga, but I haven't come across much info on Otto's father to know anything about the guy.

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Sep 25th 2019 at 5:05:33 AM

[up] I see

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
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Oct 10th 2019 at 6:51:42 AM

This didn't get any responses on the discussion page for the Shout-Out page so: Has it ever been mentioned by anyone outside the wiki how much the spheres of Honkai energy inside the Honkai beasts and mechs are reminiscent of the Cores of the Angels in Neon Genesis Evangelion?

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Oct 10th 2019 at 8:17:07 AM

[up]Since its China, im sure they are Evangelion reference. Like how Roza is just Fates Elizabeth Bathory.

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Oct 10th 2019 at 2:41:09 PM

[up][up] I don't see any spheres there.

The only place I saw something like that is in Quantum Honkai Beasts.

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Oct 11th 2019 at 8:50:03 AM

[up] You've seriously never noticed them? If not, I'll try to get some screencaps, GIS didn't turn up anything, to my surprise.

Edited by Willbyr on Oct 11th 2019 at 10:52:22 AM

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Oct 13th 2019 at 2:18:52 AM

I don't know. On one hand, glowing orbs of power are a very common design choice in games and anime

On the other hand, this is Honkai Impact 3rd we're talking about and miHoYo has always been transparent about their Eva references. The Honkai Beasts already have the color scheme of the Mass Production Evas, so I won't be surprised if the cores were based on the ones from Eva. tongue

~Elfen Lied Fan 90: I wonder where you get the info for Complete Monster in Hi 3's YMMV page.

I was wondering how something in Honkai Impact 3rd could qualify for a Complete Monster since every villain that could meet the heinous action criteria has a sympathetic background (Otto, Sirin) or has redeemable qualities (Cocolia)

I admit I forgot about the First Overseer from Schicksal. Yeah, the guy we saw in Kallen's backstory was a nasty human being and showed that Otto's utter disregard for human life did not come from nowhere.

That said, I don't think the Herrscher of Erosion counts.

Both the manga and the game's Chapter 12 were pretty clear that it wasn't doing anything when it was dormant in its host, and only went all out in killing humanity after the remnants of humanity imprisoned her (due to having high Honkai levels) then murdered her out of fear. Later, either Theresa (in the manga) or Yae (in Sakura Samsara) made it finally let go of its hatred and revenge which is why we now have the Jizo Mitama.

Edited by Servbot on Oct 13th 2019 at 2:22:51 AM

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Oct 13th 2019 at 4:16:18 AM

That, and I'm sure the 12th Herrscher and Higo are one and the same, Split Personality style, like most Herrschers.

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Oct 14th 2019 at 6:20:28 PM

I was finally able to get the screencaps I took off my phone. The spheres aren't there all the time...I think they appear when the mechs and beasts take a certain amount of damage.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/hi3screen1.jpg https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/hi3screen2.jpg

Edited by Willbyr on Oct 14th 2019 at 8:34:36 AM

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4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 14th 2019 at 7:21:16 PM

[up] That's Argent Knight's hyporthemia effect.

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Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Oct 15th 2019 at 4:00:06 AM

[up] Ahhh, okay...I was so focused on trying to get the screencaps that it didn't occur to me that that was the only time I was seeing them.

I added a section to the Shout-Out page listing the NGE references.

Edited by Willbyr on Oct 15th 2019 at 6:35:33 AM

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Oct 21st 2019 at 6:57:28 AM

Hey, quick question related to the Complete Monster thread: Great Overseer of Schicksal (Otto's father, right?) in the game(s) AND AniManga or just one?

Thanks in advance smile

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4tell0life4 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Oct 21st 2019 at 3:07:10 PM

[up] No, we haven't seen him in the game yet. It's mostly the comics.

(And I don't know which one; from the few comics I've read, none of them showed the guy in detail...)

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Oct 21st 2019 at 3:29:59 PM

[up][up] The Overseer is Otto Apocalypse's father, and he appears in Kallen's backstory comic, along with a passing mention on the Honkai Chronicles lore video.

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