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RavenWilder Raven Wilder
Raven Wilder
Dec 15th 2017 at 9:23:15 AM

Something I'm wondering about is how many superhero movies Disney will be willing to put out in a given year.

Currently, the MCU is churning out three movies a year. If they also put out an X-Men movie each year, then there's no way to schedule things so that their next superhero movie doesn't come out while their previous superhero movie is still in the middle of its theatrical run, meaning their movies will be in direct competition with each other, cannibalizing their own audience.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
Dec 15th 2017 at 9:54:42 AM

I don't think that this matters that much for Superhero movies. They tend to make most of their money within the first two weeks anyway. Disney can certainly stand to release a big blockbuster ever two to three month. Their animated output overlaps, but is overall addressing a slightly different audience.

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Dec 15th 2017 at 12:17:27 PM

Yeah, overlapping releases aren't really an issue because audience drop off is extremely sharp towards the end of a release cycle. Putting the movies out within a couple weeks of each other would be far more problematic.

A Marvel Studios reboot of the Fantastic Four is inevitable, though. Once Thanos is defeated in Avengers 4, Marvel's going to want to have Doom and Galactus available for Phase 4 and beyond of the MCU.
Galactus doesn't need to be attacthed to the Four to be introduced, and Doom could also get away with it if Marvel really wanted to.

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Dec 15th 2017 at 1:56:56 PM

Concerning Galactus I agree. He is way more connected to the Silver Surfer than the Fantastic 4, and those two could work as property on their own. Doctor Doom, I am not sure about. He always was THE fantastic 4 villain and his origin story is kind of tied up with them. Or has been tied up with them for a while.

Dec 15th 2017 at 1:58:36 PM

Can’t wait to see how Disney & Marvel Studios integrate Deadpool, X-Men & Fantastic Four into the MCU now that the deals have been made Fantastic Four is dying for a reboot

RavenWilder Raven Wilder
Raven Wilder
Dec 15th 2017 at 3:32:59 PM

In Deadpool's case, since he's got a fourth wall breaking schtick, if Disney wanted to they could integrate him into the MCU and just have him point out to the audience how his inclusion in this different universe doesn't make any sense, but asks them just to go with it.

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AHI-3000 Gorilla Guerrilla from California Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Dec 15th 2017 at 3:37:54 PM

While everyone else is talking about Marvel movies, I wonder what this will mean for other franchises like The Simpsons.

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Dec 15th 2017 at 4:00:51 PM

Most likely little in the short time...those shows have broadcast deals with Fox, as long as Fox wants to run them, they will be on air. Unless the contract ends, naturally.

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Dec 15th 2017 at 4:19:07 PM

All I know about this deal so far is that this is the worst cyberpunk future we're about to live in.

edited 15th Dec '17 4:19:26 PM by higherbrainpattern

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Mizerous Zappy Zappy Lady from Normura Land Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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Dec 15th 2017 at 5:31:18 PM

Ruh roh. Rumor is there is an investigation going on with the buyout.

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AHI-3000 Gorilla Guerrilla from California Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Dec 15th 2017 at 5:35:25 PM

Yeah, I wonder how this will be affected by antitrust laws.

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Dec 15th 2017 at 5:46:39 PM

Apparently Disney also owns Fox sports... this definitely should not be allowed

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Dec 15th 2017 at 5:50:02 PM

[up][up][up] Source? All outlets I have read so far agree that there will be at most some tinkering in the details necessary. The only issue might be Hulu. And even that is unlikely due to there already being streaming services which directly produce their own content. (there has actually been a law suit about the question if Studios can own their own theatres back in the 1940s - ironically Disney was one of the independent studios backing the state in suing the big studios).

Or do you confuse this with the Anti-Trust issue in which Fox run over Sky? That is kind of mood now...either Fox loses or Disney takes their shares anyway.

edited 15th Dec '17 5:50:15 PM by Swanpride

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Dec 15th 2017 at 5:51:06 PM

Think this will get overturned?

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Dec 15th 2017 at 5:56:55 PM

[up] Nah...especially not under Trumps presidency. He would never upset his favourite outlet.

TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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Dec 15th 2017 at 8:04:53 PM

[up][up][up][up]: Wait, I thought Fox was keeping its news and sports divisions?

edited 15th Dec '17 8:06:02 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I.
Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon
Dec 15th 2017 at 8:31:54 PM

They are.

By the by, I found the article, and what it says is that senators are calling for an investigation. There isn't one yet.

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Pseudopartition from The Cretaceous Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Dec 16th 2017 at 8:10:01 AM

Plus, this is about more than just movies and theatre chains - who, btw, can always run another movie if they don't like the condition from Disney or Fox. Or just ask for more money for those movies while telling the audience "not our fault, complain to Disney".
Except we don't live in a media landscape anymore where people just go to a movie theatre and see whatever happens to be playing at the time. People most often go to theatres to see specific films, and smaller theatres who can't show those films won't be able to stay competitive.

Dec 16th 2017 at 8:16:34 AM

[up] Believe it or not, but there are still enough options out there to make a good revenue of it.

Anyway, here is an interesting interview with Bob Iger. I am beginning to think that Fox mostly agree to the deal to get rid of their stakes in Hulu and Sky.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyrAOhLIzoY

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Dec 16th 2017 at 8:38:24 AM

Antitrust senator urges hearing on the Fox-Disney deal

“I’m concerned about the impact of this transaction on American consumers,” Klobuchar said in a statement.

“As the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, I have asked Senator (Mike) Lee, who has worked closely with me in this area in the past, and (Judiciary Committee) Chairman (Chuck) Grassley to schedule a hearing on the proposed merger,” she said.

Lee, who chairs the subcommittee, has asked his staff to take a close look at the proposed deal, Conn Carroll, a spokesman for Lee, said. ”A hearing has not been ruled out.”

Ain't over 'til the fat lady sings as they say.

edited 16th Dec '17 8:38:41 AM by Gaon

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Dec 16th 2017 at 9:08:37 AM

[up] Until there actually is a hearing, this is just noise.

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Dec 16th 2017 at 9:30:06 AM

And even if there is... wouldn't the majorly Republican Senate side with the deal anyway? Republicans basically exist to create uncontrollable horrible monopolies, when they're not out oppressing minorities anyway.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Dec 16th 2017 at 10:10:10 AM

The main reason Republicans would disapprove of the deal would be because they want the assets of Fox, a profoundly conservative company, to go to someone less liberal than Disney.

But they've already secured that Fox News will not be going with the rest of the assets and will continue to be the right-wing propaganda machine it's always been - Trump even personally called Rupert Murdoch to ensure that Fox News would not be touched - so they may be less inclined to care about the rest of it.

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Dec 16th 2017 at 10:51:03 AM

Not only are they less inclined, they are hardly interested in p... off their favourite propaganda channel.

and this is all assuming that there even is something objectionable about the deal. I am pretty sure that they have figured out exactly what is possible and what isn't. And if there is an element which isn't possible, well, they can take that one out of the deal.

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I.
Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon
Dec 16th 2017 at 11:16:13 AM

Rupert Murdoch was never going to give up Fox News to begin with. Everyone knew that; this was utterly predictable.

edited 16th Dec '17 11:18:27 AM by Aldo930

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