She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

Well it’s Christmas so now is as good a time as any to post the He-Man/She-Ra Christmas special from the 80’s -

And a fan animation of MOTU designed to add more detail to the base character designs -

https://www.reddit.com/r/MastersOfTheUniverse/comments/eeuwt4/masters_of_the_universe_fan_animation_based_off/

Why must Noelle Stevenson hurt us so?

I love the fact that the song she chose to represent Catra and Adora is the Mountain Goat's "No Children."

With all the Mattel politicking and the He-Man cartoon launch, is there any news on whether there'll be a Season 5? Searching shows no confirmation and it feels weird to have a great show still hanging...

I want that Catra redemption arc... she is Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds, albeit self inflicted. Plus Hordak... maybe needs some love?

My wife and I binged the show recently and it's frankly amazing. So, hoping there's more to come to resolve things.

There will be one more season to wrap things up, since the total episode order was 52, and we’re up to 39. The odds are it will air before April, which is when Kevin Smith promised the first footage of MOTU Revelation.

Thanks.

One season for a redemption arc? Or do you think Catra has to pull a Redemption Equals Death? And will Hordak be potentially redeemed? His relationship with Entrapta was lovely, but he is a pretty unpleasant person.

But then again, the series has themes of healing, forgiveness, overcoming challenges and abuse. Hordak is just as abused as Catra - dependent and desiring approval from a supposedly superior family figure.

I could see him getting away and taking Entrapta to journey the stars.

Catra and Adora...? not sure how that fence gets mended considering Catra was abused and has her own toxic attitude around what Adora SHOULD do on her terms. But again, learning, growing and changing. 4 seasons of basically going from bad to worse in her behaviour. Basically, grieving the loss of Adora and acting out.

Eh, I'm not a huge fan of Redemption Equals Death, myself; I'm perfectly happy to see characters make a Heel–Face Turn without dying.

That said, I could see such deaths befalling Hordak and especially Catra: Hordak has a potentially-solid relationship waiting ahead, something for him to move forward towards and with, while Catra has thus far pushed everyone away.

Still, I would like to see both of them make living HeelFaceTurns.

If that were to happen, I could easily see Hordak's happening over the course of the season; it feels to me like he's best-poised for it. Catra, on the other hand, might take longer—perhaps only fully turning around in a Distant Finale.

As noted before, Hordak has someone who may be there for him almost immediately. Conversely, Catra has had three people who might have taken that place: one finally gave up on turning her around at the end of season 3; another realised that she was a "bad friend" near the end of season 4; and the third... ended season 4 gleefully tearing her down.

This of course assumes that Hordak isn't already dead in a Death of Personality way.

Barring a writing change or PR deception, I'm pretty sure that Hordak is dead personality-wise, as their character designer Rae Geiger said in their Patreon: "He's been fully reset. 'Hordak' is gone."

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 2nd 2020 at 2:06:20 AM

Catra broke reality,only way for her to be redeemed is to hit the reset button

What is it with Brightmoon and using the guest room as a prison cell? XD

....well it doesn't have cushions.

Well, not many cushions.

Yes, there are 13 episodes remaining. No, we don't know when or how Netflix is going to release them (all at once or split them up like season 2/3).

(And yes, the sketchy rumor site that said it was cancelled did get it wrong. They saw that some of the crew were looking for new positions, but due to a long lead time it just meant they'd finished.)

Regarding Hordak... oof. If that's as absolute as it sounds, then that's horrible. I'll hold out hope that it might be reversible, I do think—but only cautiously, now.

I... strongly disagree, myself. I have no argument with her finding a Heel–Face Turn.

The Season 4 truth bomb and the fact she is utterly ALONE with no other options probably is the "low point".

Saw a great post describing things, how Adora always puts duty first (the "right thing") whilst Catra puts personal agendas first ("Her and Adora") - so when Adora legit tries to make her fit the duty, compromising Catra, in a way that just reinforces that Catra wouldn't be in control (Considering she had an abusive, controlling upbringing) of course she goes with the freedom option, then keeps doubling down.

She basically thinks that what she wants is power, because that means she's "safe", in control, secure. And Adora is threatening that. What she wants is security, safety... but can't see that Adora and the Princesses offer that... because it's security without control and relies on trusting others, which she can't do. Her self reliance, due to SW basically making her distrust anyone, and her consistent doubling down and externalising blame is something that has now been broken.

Adora has a similar level of self reliance and fear of trusting others, but blames HERSELF for failures. When she pushes people away it's because she feels she should resolve things, which is why she has trouble sharing her fears a lot. And also why she doesn't always read people well as she's a bit self absorbed too.

So, long winded way of saying that now Catra's worldview has been thoroughly pricked, even if it has been proven that she can't trust people... it's probably been shown that she can't trust CERTAIN people. I think we'll see her come round, help out, then maybe get a "well, this is a start" and she and Adora go on to rebuild their friendship again, which is where the series ends.

Hordak... well, I can see Entrapta saving him. Overcoming the conditioning. He's too emo to lose (He even has the emo hair!)

I like all of that analysis and speculation; and it's quite interesting, to boot. ^_^

As to Hordak... I could see him being blanked, rewritten—only for Entrapta to find a way to winkle out his original personality from some deep recess of his reconditioned mind.

I'm assuming Entrapta will unleash all her mad science on Hordak but fail to make breakthrough until Power of Love cures him, or - less likely - he will first react to Entrapta on his own and then she will science-fix him.

I just hope we get a better ending than Voltron did.

I didn't see it, but I read what happened by accident and...why? Just why?

I mean, She-Ra has already done the "Reality is Broken" thing, so we're unlikely to get that bit done a second time.

It's a shame a show that started out so well ended on such a sour note. Actually, I could say the exact same thing about Star vs the Forces of Evil.

Eh, I'm more forgiving of that one because I'm such a shameless sucker for Starco.

Entrapta is forced to mercy kill Hordak.

I could rip into Voltron all day, but I presume that the circumstances here are quite different. She-Ra’s fandom has for better or for worse been pretty unified in supporting Stevenson’s vision. There’s no true, brutal ship wars that have people wanting the show to go in a different direction. You’re either on board or you aren’t. So it’s not something one can immediately compare to the other.

And let’s be honest, the circumstances looming over She-Ra would be like if after one season of VLD, World Events just went “we’re gonna do a new Voltron show and Masami Obari is gonna direct it.”

Edited by Beatman1 on Jan 3rd 2020 at 12:11:37 PM

I'll be honest most of shows that I watched have finales that range from "disappointing" to "good, but not in my top 10 episodes, which includes some other season finales". Few finales that are liked were not meant to be final episodes (e.g. Wander Over Yonder) and I have hard time naming many proper that I loved (Batman Brave and Bold for example)

Idle thought: For thematic consistency, motion to re-name He-man to He-Sekhmet. He even has a big cat as his mount! :P

She-Ra still has an opportunity to screw everything up (or just have a disappointing ending), but it's definitely a different beast from Voltron. I think the violent shipping wars were just a symptom of Voltron's problems, from character writing to communication between the cast and the fans.